Introducing ... GrowthTran!

[Zoraï]

Alright, so with Choice Scarf, while being faster, you lose a huge ammount of power as well as being able to Fire Blast -> Overheat -> Explosion to take out as much as you can in one sweep. The problem with Life Orb is things will out speed you and hit you with EQ, or just continuously wear you down.

So...to keep the power and freedom of Life Orb, what if you were able to slow everything that would really be a threat to Heatran down earlier before unleashing it? Cressy works great with this as it provides a very reliable switch that can take EQs and fighting moves for Heatran, and it gets the Sunny Day boost to Moonlight. Cressy can spam T-Wave slowing down threats to the set-up Heatran. Tangrowth could also take Stun Spore over maybe Focus Blast, it loses a lot of sweeping potential, but can help slow down things such as Electrivire and possibly a Garchomp. The team could take Para to the next level and add things like a Flinchh4xing Togekiss or a No Guard Dynamic Punching Machamp to spread Parafusion if you wanted to.

Obviously this would be stopped by teams that pack Aromatherapy or Heal Bell, but you could use this to your advantage, and when they come in to heal off the status, switch-in for a set-up from something else. So, would this be viable, to spam Para through their team, and then let if you manage to fully get set-up, they will have nothing to stop the Life Orb Heatran in the Sun with a Flash Fire boost. If all the threats were paralyzed, Heatran could easily sweep everything in his path. This would best be used with SR too, prevents Focus Sashers from ruining his fun.

 

[futuresuperstar]

Added some new updates and a physical variation to the Tangrowth set.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

i probably read up until 'the basics' and then just went to quick post

whats the point of this combo

can't i just dugtrio your heatran and you now have growthtang


can' tany grass type take tangrowth's spot? exeggutor can do it. pretty much all the same but doesn't get ohko by icicle spear but gets ohko by leech life. eggran?

 

[futuresuperstar]

i probably read up until 'the basics' and then just went to quick post

whats the point of this combo

can't i just dugtrio your heatran and you now have growthtang


can' tany grass type take tangrowth's spot? exeggutor can do it. pretty much all the same but doesn't get ohko by icicle spear but gets ohko by leech life. eggran?

The point of the combination is to set yourself up very easily since both cover each other's weaknesses. Exeggutor is part-Psychic and does not have the same kind of durability as Tangrowth. Dugtrio cannot do shit to a Choice Scarf Heatran, as Fire Blast -- even without Flash Fire and Sunny Day -- is a OHKO. Dugtrio also gets royally owned by Tangrowth, while it could do a number on Exeggutor's mediocre defensive statistic with a Sucker Punch.

Overall, your post was kind of juvenile, and you admitted to not reading the post in full. Please read it before posting, thanks.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

what if i use choice scarf dugtrio? it's faster. if i beat the heatran who cares abuot the tangrowth, i can icicle spear that later, right? this doesn't seem anything new or exciting tbh pretty much just a grass type that uses sunny day to a fire type

i tihnk we used that back in adv we called it exeggutor using sunny day and charizard doesn't get owned by sandstorm and uses sunny day for its fire move strat

also can't i just switch blissey into heatran and then if you blow up on it..you don't have a heatran anymore...you know?

kingdra also kind of switches into heatran pretty well and can set up rain dance too! (4hko with choice scarf heatran in sun!!)

 

[futuresuperstar]

what if i use choice scarf dugtrio? it's faster. if i beat the heatran who cares abuot the tangrowth, i can icicle spear that later, right? this doesn't seem anything new or exciting tbh pretty much just a grass type that uses sunny day to a fire type

i tihnk we used that back in adv we called it exeggutor using sunny day and charizard doesn't get owned by sandstorm and uses sunny day for its fire move strat

also can't i just switch blissey into heatran and then if you blow up on it..you don't have a heatran anymore...you know?

kingdra also kind of switches into heatran pretty well and can set up rain dance too! (4hko with choice scarf heatran in sun!!)

If you use Choice Scarf Dugtrio, you're already going to lose, as most of your attempted revenge kills are going to fail. Icicle Spear does not do shit to Tangrowth. Just because it is Super Effective does not mean that it will harm it very much against its massive defense. Weavile's Ice Punch doesn't even do much to Tangrowth, and with 66% healing in the sun Tangrowth doesn't have much to worry about. Exeggutor and Charizard hardly cover each other's weaknesses. Exeggutor is weak to Fire, Ice, Dark, Ghost, 4x Bug, Flying, and Poison. Out of those, Charizard only resists Fire and 4x Bug. Meanwhile, Tangrowth and Heatran completely resist each other's weaknesses with the exception of Heatran's fighting-weakness, which Tangrowth is neutral to. On top of that, Charizard takes 50% damage from Stealth Rock, has shit defenses to switch in on an attack against Exeggutor (who has medicore defenses, to begin with), a weaker attack and special attack statistic ...

I hope I'm making my point. The point of this combination is to work together as a free team. Charizard and Exeggutor do not do it nearly as well. Also, a Sunny Day and Flash Fire Boosted Fire Blast will 2HKO Blissey as it tries to switch-in, and unless it is at full health, Overheat can potentially just kill the thing. Kingdra is a counter to this set, yes, as it can Ice Beam Tangrowth and 4x-resist fire attacks. However, even a Kingdra Ice Beam will not OHKO Tangrowth, while it could just put you to sleep and Morning Sun off the damage. Meanwhile, Exeggutor's horrid special defense renders it dead, and Charizard's pitiful defense can't handle a Surf. Above all else, water attacks are halved in the sun.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

lol how does scarf dugtrio make me lose? i switch it in after you killed something, or as you switch in, or my previous poke had u-turn that was paralyze so you figure not to sleep it, all situational but if duggy gets out and kill heatran, doesn't that indeed make it..dead? i assume killing the other opponents pokemon DOESNT make you lose

also i was being sarcastic with icicle spear trying to make a reference how the smallest ice attack can kill tangrowth (forgetting that ice is now phsyical too!) but the point is, the smallest special ice will ko

also, kingdra rapes tangrowth lol
the standard sets normally haev max special atk, and this is like only mixkingdra, and in doing so to tangrowth:
289 attack vs 136 defense, 95 power(*1.3 *2), 404 max HP: 93.32% - 109.9%

as most have life orb. i tihnk that effectively puts an end to that. oh but you say you can live! but wait you mentioned stealth rock hurting my poor zard, well stealth rock says fuck you too and you have a dead tangrowth and useless heatran unless you explode on kingdra. wow. kingdra takes down 2 pokes.

 

[futuresuperstar]

lol how does scarf dugtrio make me lose? i switch it in after you killed something, or as you switch in, or my previous poke had u-turn that was paralyze so you figure not to sleep it, all situational but if duggy gets out and kill heatran, doesn't that indeed make it..dead? i assume killing the other opponents pokemon DOESNT make you lose

also i was being sarcastic with icicle spear trying to make a reference how the smallest ice attack can kill tangrowth (forgetting that ice is now phsyical too!) but the point is, the smallest special ice will ko

also, kingdra rapes tangrowth lol
the standard sets normally haev max special atk, and this is like only mixkingdra, and in doing so to tangrowth:
289 attack vs 136 defense, 95 power(*1.3 *2), 404 max HP: 93.32% - 109.9%

as most have life orb. i tihnk that effectively puts an end to that. oh but you say you can live! but wait you mentioned stealth rock hurting my poor zard, well stealth rock says fuck you too and you have a dead tangrowth and useless heatran unless you explode on kingdra. wow. kingdra takes down 2 pokes.

If you would have looked through the topic, you would see that we decided that Kingdra is one of the only counters to the combination. And, I said that using Scarf Dugtrio makes you lose as sarcasm, as it won't be able to kill nearly as much as it wants to on most teams.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

but my only intent was killing heatran. it's other intent is to kill very weak, about 30-40% or less, as no way it should be trying to take on more healthier things, as wel as stuff like hera, how does that make me not kill as much as i want. i dont set off switching into 100% tars

also speaking of tar, tar can easily switch into obvious overheats, and when i say obvious, it's cause the first move you'd always do is probably overheat. and at that, it only does 25% average. (scarf of course)

 

[futuresuperstar]

Yeah, Tyranitar can switch in on Overheat or Fire Blast, but it isn't a counter to the combination since Tangrowth destroys it. All I know is that I have been using this combination for a long time now, as have others, and it works quite, quite well.

 

[Mizuno]

I think Exeggutor can be used in place of Tangrowth, atleast on Wi-Fi since it is much easier to get than a Morning Sun Tangrowth. You mention that Exeggutor has mediocre defenses, yet it has higher Sp.Def than Tangrowth (65 vs. 50). It also has higher Speed (55 vs. 50) and higher Sp.Att (125 vs. 110). It does have lower Defense, but I wouldn't consider 95 HP/85 Def mediocre at all. Also, note that Heatran covers all of Exeggutor's weaknesses, and so does Exeggutor for Heatran (resists fighting, which Tangrowth can't). And more importantly, it learns Synthesis/Moonlight as an Egg Move.

It does have its disadvantages, most notably being weak to Pursuit. I haven't tried this combination so I really don't know how that affects its usefulness, but at least on Wi-Fi Exeggutor looks like a good alternative.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Yeah, Tyranitar can switch in on Overheat or Fire Blast, but it isn't a counter to the combination since Tangrowth destroys it. All I know is that I have been using this combination for a long time now, as have others, and it works quite, quite well.

doesn't it lose to boah then? and if it was cb,'d...

605 attack vs 383 defense, 100 power(*1.5), 404 max HP: 42.08% - 49.75%

that's how much it does to max hp max def tangrowth..which yours isn't, and with sandstorm, a definite 2hko to yours. ?!?! isn't 2 out of 3 common tars now rape this?

 

[futuresuperstar]

doesn't it lose to boah then? and if it was cb,'d...

605 attack vs 383 defense, 100 power(*1.5), 404 max HP: 42.08% - 49.75%

that's how much it does to max hp max def tangrowth..which yours isn't, and with sandstorm, a definite 2hko to yours. ?!?! isn't 2 out of 3 common tars now rape this?

The idea is that you would Sunny Day and be faster and then heal off the damage since it loses Sandstorm until you feel like pummeling it with your super effective attack with Grass Knot without its special defense boost. A critical screws you over, though.

Exeggutor would theoretically work, yes, just not nearly as well because of its numerous weaknesses and less durability. It could substitute if you had no access to Pokemon XD, though.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

um you dont get the point........

heatran switches out to tangrowth, tangrowth eats a stone edge. tyranitar is faster. tyranitar uses stone edge again...dead tangrowth?

 

[futuresuperstar]

If Tyranitar is Choice Band, it probably would not use Stone Edge against Heatran when it packs Earthquake and / or Focus Punch ...

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

why not? it's obvious what item a heatran usually has. if it' snot leftovers, or see the 10% subtraction, it's previous obvious it has a choice item or sometihng. the clearly obvious thing would be to eq, so if a flyer comes in, ttar user is fucked. a stone edge will just as muc fuck over a heatran should you decide to stay in and keep overheating. it's just common prediction NOT to eq. so therefore, cbtar would use stone edge against heatran

 

[Familiar Trainer]

why not? it's obvious what item a heatran usually has. if it' snot leftovers, or see the 10% subtraction, it's previous obvious it has a choice item or sometihng. the clearly obvious thing would be to eq, so if a flyer comes in, ttar user is fucked. a stone edge will just as muc fuck over a heatran should you decide to stay in and keep overheating. it's just common prediction NOT to eq. so therefore, cbtar would use stone edge against heatran

Which is why you switch to one of your other 4 Pokemon and not Tangrowth!

I'm sure out of 470 or so Pokemon, something can poke a hole in every 2 Pokemon combination.

 

[futuresuperstar]

Thank you, Familiar Trainer.

 

[TheMantyke]

I kinda see one UU pokemon getting to these guys, Mantine.
The standard mantine set is usially surf/icebeam/Toxic/and Protect. I have persanally seen my mantine get rid of Heatrans and Tangrowths with ease. Mantine, Being skarms retarded brother, has 140 base special defence, and can easily shrug off any fire attack. Even if heatran packs explosion (or an alternte, HP electric) Mantine can Protect to scout out for HP electric and switch, or simply make you waste your Heatran. Tangrowth on the other hand is outspeed and 2KOed by Mantines Ice beam, while Tangrowth is setting up the sun. By no means is mantine a comman pokemon in the OU envirement, But there are a couple out there.

 

[Cross-Fall]

Whoa!! I use Tangrowth and Heatran in my team, and didn't realize SO many things could be done like this!! Yes, they DO works superbly well in a combo. Thats why I use them. Dang, if my Tangrowth knew Morning Sun....that combo would be invincible!!

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

Which is why you switch to one of your other 4 Pokemon and not Tangrowth!

I'm sure out of 470 or so Pokemon, something can poke a hole in every 2 Pokemon combination.

by your logic, this tangrowth+heatran combo is trash as i have 6 pokes to cuonter it.

 

[Familiar Trainer]

by your logic, this tangrowth+heatran combo is trash as i have 6 pokes to cuonter it.

And it just so happens my 4 Pokemon were specifically designed out of total coincidence to be perfect counters to your six Pokemon team!

If it just so happens your team is an exact and total counter to your opponents team, no duh your going to win. It's always been like that. Just because "lol Manaphy gets stopped by Ludicolo", does that make Manaphy a terrible Pokemon that belongs in NU? Just because Tyranitar can switch in on Heatran when it's not using Earth Power, does that make Heatran a terrible Pokemon? Just because Specmence gets walled by Blissey, does that make it piece of trash that should never be used? Just because ScarfTrio can revenge kill Scarf Heatran, does that make it the best Dugtrio?

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that if you specially create a team to completely counter a fairly uncommon Pokemon combination, you won't be winning many battles when your opponent just so happens not to be using said combination.

 

[Aeroblacktyl]

lol how am i making a team to completely counter it when tar is on like 90% of teams and is the #1 feared threat lol

 

[Familiar Trainer]

lol how am i making a team to completely counter it when tar is on like 90% of teams and is the #1 feared threat lol

by your logic, this tangrowth+heatran combo is trash as i have 6 pokes to cuonter it.

I was under the impression it would be a six-man team chalk full of counters to Sunny Day Tangrowth+Heatran. If it's just Tyranitar, just add Swampert and perhaps a Dark resist and you have that problem solved.

 

[TheMantyke]

lol how am i making a team to completely counter it when tar is on like 90% of teams and is the #1 feared threat lol

No offense, but your reminding me about a whiney 5 year old right now. Anyways, I like the combo and find it very hard to get around if you don't have one of the counters.