Is it possible to create "the perfect team?"

Darkartisan

Darkartisan

Introduction:

Before the implementaion of Platinum, and after Deoxys speed forme moving to Overused tier, I desired to create the "near perfect" team. I ran calcs for hours, spent hard work on each and every team, only for each of them to be thrown in my trash can. All of my hard work was for nothing, until I found out how I needed to create this team.

Stathakis, Chaos and I all had ideas of how we wanted to build this team. Chaos suggested a team that would punish switch ins, while incorporating strong and powerful sweepers. I tried this, but to no avail. Stathakis made a great team, but it was more accustomated to his style, which made perfect sense, although both ideas failed.

I created 3 teams, which all ended, due to the fact that they weren't near close to perfect. I have came up with these guidelines, and this team isn't close, but with all of you fellow Smogoners, I may create "The perfect team."


Breakdown:​

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The idea of this team was to incorporate almost every type of strategy, and blow it up into one megateam.
Obviously, a team cannot run properly with 6 frail sweepers, or 6 slow bulky tanks. You need a perfect balance.​

Important Pokemon to stop:
Blissey
Cresselia
Skarmory
Scizor
Zapdos
Tyranitar
Heatran
Gengar​

RECORD as of 12/14/08
Day one: 10 wins, 3 losses
Day two: 7 wins, 3 losses ​

Total losses due to mistakes/hax
2 losses due to hacks
1 loss due to mistakes​






How should this be set up?
Now you're probably asking yourself, how the hell will this work? Well, I had this idea that if you used a team that could PHaze with passive damage, neutralize opponents with Thunder Wave, and finish with strong tanks and sweepers, there's your answer. Thunder Wave and Spikes shouldn't have to be set up to win, and I have been testing this. It has came out to be that I can win by just using offense, no passive weapons.​

Sounds easier than it looks.​

LEAD:
The idea of a lead in this game is to either get an early kill, making the score 1-0.
Using Jumpman16's Tyranitar set is probably the best way to go.​

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Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
Naive Nature
252 spAtk/194 Spe/64 Atk
-Dark Pulse
-Ice beam
-Flamethrower
-Superpower​

tyranitar never ceases to amaze me with new sets. At first, we had the ridiculous Choice bander, which eventually led to a whole new Boah standard, and finally, where we are today. Fear came out with this Tyranitar set, who is ideal for putting me ahead 2 nil. Let's say that Azelf leads. So they set down Stealth rock, and wait to die, which is a OHKO, because Sandstorm. Then, they send in "ol reliable" Scizor with Bullet punch, where I use Flmaethrower. I hang on with my sash, and they get burnt to hell. 64 attack guarantees an OHKO on Blissey, which helps me oh so much.

Credit to Fear for this monster of a pokemon.

Tyranitar covers these popular leads:
Azelf
Yanmega
Jolteon
Most Heatran
Bronzong

Supporter:
there are only two pokemon that come to mind for spikes. Skarmory, and Forretress.
Let's take a look at their stats, shall we?​

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Forretress
Bug/Steel
(Note: These are base stats)
HP: 75
ATK: 90
DEF: 140
SPA: 60
SPD: 60
SPE: 40​

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Skarmory
Steel/Flying
HP: 65
ATK: 80
DEF: 140
SPA: 40
SPD: 70
SPE: 70​

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Forretress @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
252 Def/252 Hp/6 SpD
-Spikes
-Gyro Ball
-Rapid Spin/ Earthquake
-Explosion​

I chose this set due to the fact that I don't see this pokemon to have any attacking potentail at all, and two, he is such a great tool. I can keep things off of the field, set up spikes, and Explode if necessary. Toxic spikes would've worked, but I would rather cripple my opponents with Thunder Wave. Gyro ball over Stealth rock because mainly, I can't hit Gengar, and I have to be able to stop him. I may switch Rapid Spin for Earthquake, depending on the amount of Magnezone that I can't handle.​

Extra info:​

I believe that the most important things here are the weaknesses, and Base Def, and Health, as both Skarmory and Forretress should be running 252 Defense anyways.
Now, Forretress only has one weakness, which is Fire, while Skarmory has two (Fire/Electric)​

Forretress and Skarmory both are equivilant in terms of defense.
Skarmory has 10 less base Health than Forretress.
In my opinion, Forretress will be eaiser to cover, which is why I ened up choosing him over Skarmory. Heatran can cover Forretress, but not Skarmory.​

Revenge Killer:​

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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Naive Nature
252 Spe/252 Spa/6 Hp
-Earth Power
-Flamethrower
-Explosion
-Dragon Pulse​

Heatran as my revenge killer is really something. While I can still stop pesky Scizor, I can also stop so much more. I went Flamethrower over Fire Blast mainly because let's just say that Scizor decides to try me and use Superpower, but I use Fire Blast. I win right? I might, but it's no guarantee due to the fact that Fire Blast has shaky accuracy. Dragon Pulse over Hp ice becuase they serve the same purpose, and I already cover grass. besides, I have to hit Kingdra, because she sets up rain on me.​

credit to Latios315 for suggesting Flamethrower over Overheat
credit to Kazuya for sugesting Dragon Pulse​

Support Tank:

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Cresselia @ Flame Orb
Calm Nature
252 Hp/200 Def/56 SpD
-Psycho Shift
-Trick
-Rest
-Ice Beam​

One of the most powerful tanks in my opinion, this Cresselia set can create permanant burns, and 100% accurate Will o wisps! Ice beam over Psychic for Gliscor, who comes in on me frequently. rest is fine as long as my opponent has a burn, and Trick is to trick the item onto a wall like Bliss and get some free Lefties recovery. Besides, Blissey wont be able to get the Flame orb off!

I like the set, but it doesn't benefit the team much. I may switch to an original Thunder Wave, Psychic, Charge Beam, Moonlight set, not sure yet. Please be patient!

Credit to Scofield for suggesting a Chesto berry over a Lum berry
Credit to Gen. Empoleon for suggesting this amazing set!

Sweeper:

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Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
Adamant Nature
252 Atk/252 Spe/6 Hp
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Ice Fang
-Bite​

Gyarados was brought up by Chaos 9, and it looked like it would be a perfect fit, until i found out that Gengar could still run rampart amoungst my team, which is why i decided to slap a Choice Scaf on him. Now I have used this set before to great success, and I have something that can surprise and stop Gengar. I have already ran calculations, and it is a guaranteed OHKO every time against any Gengar set, using Waterfall. At an Adamant Nature, Gyarados still manages to hit 391 speed, which outspeeds base 120-129 Speed pokemon, which means that he outspeeds threats such as Alakazam, and is outsped by Aerodactly, which can be a weakness, but he can't outspeed everything. Bite over Earthquake because Starmie has potential to sweep my team.​

!!Warning!!
This pokemon doesn't do much for this team at all. I may switch to Gallade. If you guys know of a PHYSICAL sweeper that can use fighting moves and stop Ghosts and is better than Gallade, or will benefit the team more, please post.​

Support Sweeper:
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
252 hp/220 def/36 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Recover/ Baton Pass
-Hp Fire​



Suggested by someone, I tested CM Celebi, and to my surprise, it worked extremely well.
The bulkiness of Celebi really helps the team take hits, and especially the Celetran combo. Hp fire covers Scizor, who can run rampart if not taken down a notch.
Recover may be switched with Baton Pass, according to what works the best, still testing heavily.

Threat list as of 12/14/08

Gengar causes quite alot of shit for my team, and I find it personally hard to counter him, the sub set really rips my team apart, as does the standard set!

-Fixed this problem, Gyarados outspeeds with a Scarf and OHKO's with Waterfall.

Offensive Starmie set: Doesn't have a chance in hell. this came straight from Starmie's analysis D/P:
"Tyranitar can switch into virtually any attack Starmie has and not be OHKOed thanks to Sand Stream's 1.5× SpD boost"

CBTar: Choice Banded Tyranitar may be able to knock out one pokemon, but he is quickly revenged, and really is too slow to even contend with this team.

DDTar: DDTar could be a threat, maybe with 2 DDs, which wont happen.

TyraniBOAH: This one could be tough to stop, I might have to find my way around it

ScarfHera: Scarved Heracross could be a problem, but knowing that it peaks at 369 speed is nice. heatran outspeeds, gyarados outspeeds, etc.

Dugtrio: Duggy could come in and trap, but he will come in on hetran and get owned, or come in on Celebi, or even Ttar and get killed pending on if Ttar's sash is still working.

Kingdra: Kingdra's a toughy, which is why Heatran know has Dragon Pulse :D

BIGGEST PROBLEMS:

Swampert, especially the sleep talk variation, is very tough to kill. I also believe that I need a fighting move, as there are a few pokemon that I can't stop without a Close combat. I also hate Gyarados on my team, I have tried all different CB, LO DD, nothing. I need something that can cover Ghosts, and have CC. I was thinking Gallade, as he gets Night Slash, and Close Combat.

OUTRO:
This is my 3rd attempt at a perfect team, and with the help of you, I could make it perfect. I know that it has flaws, but i'm still working out the kinks. The only reason i even posted this was for obvious kinks and flaws that I cannot see. So please help me, Smogon, with creating the perfect team!!​

CREDIT:
Firstly, credit goes to Marriland.com, where they taught me how to competitive battle. Second, Serebii for offering me another place to battle, and let's not forget the best competitive site [smogon.com]. Credit also goes to Smogon for the sprites, Stathakis for putting up with me, Chaos for basing the team off of passive damage,Bullet for my valentine for creating the song Ashes of the innocent, and everyone else that helped me! Thanks alot, I love you guys!​

Credit also goes to Gen. Empoleon for his ingenious rate
Don't forget Chaos again for suggesting Spiritomb, who is most likely the one to be used.​

-Dark​
 
Zapdos as a Gyarados counter is not the greatest idea in the world. Gyarados will always outspeed you, and practically every set runs a super-effective stone edge. Maxed attack life orb adamant gyarados with one dragon dance will do a minimum of 97% to your Zapdos. Even the less powerful Bulky Spread does 67-79%, which is very likely to OHKO if you switch into stealth rocks, and if you have taken any previous damage, you're automatically dead.

I might suggest something like Celebi, Suicune, or Vaporeon instead. In addition to meshing well with Heatran's weaknesses and resistances.
Additionally, Forretress is already filling the spot of dedicated defensive wall. Having a more defensively balanced Pokemon in that slot could improve your team.
My personal choice for that slot would be CM Celebi. Not only would it provide those defensive bonuses I just mentioned, but it'd provide you with a powerful special sweeper to boot. And if you wanted, you could run Baton Pass on it as well, allowing you to pass to Cress or Heatran, allowing them to sweep.
 
I'd think you'd rather use charge beam on cressy and hp ice on zapdos for gyara and mence respectively. This makes you weaker to pert, but pert can't do much to cressy anyways. Speaking of cressy, chesto is better than lum, so if you're paralyzed and whatnot, you can rest of the damage and then heal, as opposed to just losing the status and not regaining any health. Love gallade btw, but I have never found a team where he worked better than lucario or scizor...Gallade isn't bad, but those guys are just amazing at what they do and immune to your ss, might as well test them out and see how you like it.
 
Cresselia wont be doing much damage anyways, due to the fact that I haven't pumped any SpA evs into her. She's more of a pokemon to scare things away with SE hits.

Gallade gets a priority Ghost move, which is extremely unique. Besides this, he isn't weak to EQ, which is a big deal.

I'll take your word for the Chesto berry.
 
replace overheat on heatran with fire blast or flame thrower, overheat destroys heatran's late game sweeping potential and is only 5% more accurate than fire blast, if you're really scared of missing use flame thrower
 
i think cresslia needs sleep talk on it set, being asleep for 2 turns is just making it dead weight, sweepers get a free switch and a free turn to power up, or they can set up twice, the metagame is to hard hitting to be asleep for 2 turns without any way to damage the oppnent
 
latios315 said:
replace overheat on heatran with fire blast or flame thrower, overheat destroys heatran's late game sweeping potential and is only 5% more accurate than fire blast, if you're really scared of missing use flame thrower
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Yeah, I totally agree. I think that i'm going to stick with Flamethrower. I'm completely rehauling the team at the moment.

Chocolatebunny, Rest is only a one time thing, but it works extremely well. Sleep Talk would take Ice beam away from me, and Salamence could set up on me >.>
 
I think you should go with either scizor or gyrados in the vacant spot as either one would be a potent sweeper. Gyrados could either go LO offensive or, one of my favorites, restalk dd defensive. With 252 hp 212 def rest in attack, it can take quite a beating and with dd, resttalk, and waterfall, it can dish one out after a while too. Scizor could also be bulky or sweeperish as both the LO and bulky sets could fit the team. I think either one of these two sweepers would benifit your team greatly. Also, good luck with the perfect team campaign. I will help where I can and will be rooting for you the whole time.
 
In regards to Scizor- This would give me a huge fire weakness, although I do love Scizor

In regards to Gyarados- I think that it would benefit me the most, although Gengar would still be on the loose. I might want to run a choice scarf Gyarados, as he outspeeds gengar, and can OHKO with Waterfall.
 
since you are great defensivlely and your Sp atk is covered you might wanna think of a good safe physical sweeper

like luce swords dance and then extremespeed plus if it is jolly it will outron all non speed increasing base 100's

which would help pull down some tough special walls and with the plat move tutors you got yourself one hec of a poke + immunity to sandstorm and withh inner focus it cant flinch to those dumb fake outs
 
ooh brain blast. How about spiritomb? It could be the cmer which would totally ruin gar. It would also be a very bulky sweeper that can stop the spin of your spikes! Looks pretty good to me.
 
darkartisan said:
Important Pokemon to stop:
Blissey
Scizor
Zapdos
Heatran
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Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
Adamant Nature
252 spAtk/252 Spe/6 Hp
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Punch
-Flamethrower
-Superpower​

Lead-Tar is without a doubt the best Anti-Lead in the game. That is not an exaggeration. He stops everything barring Infernape and Aerodactyal leads. I don't see much to edit on this guy, but over all I wouldn't put EV's into Heath, just dump them into Attack. Super Power needs to be as strong as possible


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Forretress @ Shed Shell
Relaxed Nature
252 Def/252 Hp/6 SpD
- Light Screen/Reflect/Gyro Ball
-Stealth Rock
-Rapid Spin
-Explosion​

Ah Forretress. He's truly the most valuable supporter any team can have. Only one weakness that's easily covered by one pokemon. The problem is that Magnezone kills himand you can't touch any team that has a ghost. My remedy for this solution is fixed at the top. Why use an attacking move on a pokemon that can support like a champ? You don't need to fear Magnezone any more and you can set up your Screen and send Heatran in on any ghost, since most are Special Attackers. With this being said you can also do Reflect so you can get others in on a Machamp or Lucario easier. If you really want a solution to the Ghost problem and don't want to rely on switching that Gyro Ball would be a decent choice. Though Forretress isn't "slow" enough to use it most ghost are extremely fast and will take a good chunk of their health out.

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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Naive Nature
252 Spe/252 Spa/6 Hp
-Earth Power
-Flamethrower
-Explosion
-Hp Ice​

This is the normal Heatran. I can't suggest much since this is probably the "best" set for Heatran but Hidden Power [GRASS] Could help you extremely well to take down bulky water switch ins... Actually strike that as the bulky water wouldn't switch in again. Well then giving you Mind-Games over your opponent and allowing yourself to Flame Thrower them into extention. I guess the Hidden Power is personal preference about what you see as more of a threat.
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Cresselia @ Flame Orb
Calm Nature
252 Hp/200 Def/56 SpD
- Psycho Shift
- Trick
-Rest
-Ice Beam​

Cresselia... I haven't seen one of these in an extremely long time, not since Garchomp got banned. Cresselia has a very vast move pool, and can be one of the most tricky pokemon (next to clefeable). I was reading another RMT for the sake of killing time and I came across a Cresselia set that I, myself, use to run quite often and with great sucess. I listed it above, but Psycho Shift Cresselia is a great pokemon in stoping ever physical sweeper, and evening burning Heatran cutting it's explosion in half. Just imagine your team impervious to physical threats thanks to this pokemon. Now, "both Trick and Psycho Shift?" Yes, because if you Trick a Flame Orb onto a Blissey she will never get rid of that burn, hurting her to an extreme amount. Once your Orb is gone you have leftovers and can then just Psycho Shift your status away and become a normal annoying Tricking Tank.


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@ Life Orb
Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 6 HP
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance

Gyrados + Celebi is a great sweeping combo as Celebi resists Gyrados's weaknesses and vice verse for Celebi. Since, most likely, your opponents Rocks will not be down you can use this Gyardos to it's fullest potential... well maybe not with the -6% from Sand Storm, but damn close to it. After one Dragon Dance he can out speed modest Heatran (Shaymin-S is gone, no need to run Timid any more) He can OHKO it with Earthquake, along with any Jirachi. Stone Edge will OHKO a Gyardos switch in as long as you don't have -1 Atk. Salamence falls to Stone Edge with Rocks supporting you, and the only thing really stopping you is clever intimidate switching, Tangrowth, Celebi, Cresselia and Skarmory. Even then Skarmory and Cresselia are 2HKO'd by Gyrados.



Support Sweeper:

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Celebi @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Recover
-Hp Fire


This Celebi is alright but Celebi has a blessed typing and amazing stats. She's meant to be bulky, why take that away from her? I would love to keep every move on thie Celebi except, of course Baton Pass. MAYBE Heatran can get a boost from them, but even then he's choiced and if you predict wrong then the opponent can set up. So make Celebi's EV's the ones I gave and use the set above. He can bluff most Gyrados's into swiching out and then set up a CM for the incoming special sweeper/Scizor. You won't outspeed Scizor but you've got some more bulk. If you picked Reflect on Forretress then she won't have to worry and then can OHKO with Hidden Power [FIRE]
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Not a bad team, I might keep a copy and try it out sometime soon.
 
kazuya said:
since you are great defensivlely and your Sp atk is covered you might wanna think of a good safe physical sweeper

like luce swords dance and then extremespeed plus if it is jolly it will outron all non speed increasing base 100's

which would help pull down some tough special walls and with the plat move tutors you got yourself one hec of a poke + immunity to sandstorm and withh inner focus it cant flinch to those dumb fake outs
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I like the idea, I really do, but it would end up just giving me another EQ and Fire weak, which could really damage the team.

chaos 9 said:
ooh brain blast. How about spiritomb? It could be the cmer which would totally ruin gar. It would also be a very bulky sweeper that can stop the spin of your spikes! Looks pretty good to me.
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Hmm, great thinking Chaos! I have to test it, but I really like the idea. I mgiht want to just replace My scarfGyarados with it.

General Empoleon, great rate! I really enjoyed reading it. I was thinking the same thing switching Earthquake with Gyro Ball, but I don't like Reflect becuase the 5 turns isn't sufficient enough in my opinion. I'm definately going to try out the Celebi and the Cresselia, although I need something to abuse Thunder Wave with, so I just have to think.

I may want to keep the Cresselia set that I am currently using, it's imperative that I set up Thunder Wave.
 
y not this
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Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
Adamant Nature
252 Atk/252 Spe/6 Hp
-crunch
-Ice Punch
-fire punch
-superpower

only use super power on bliss and other must kills then after using it switch so his stats go back to normal.

the crunch physical move + stab
fire punch will do way more power than flamethrower cus of its massive atk

And leave Special sweeping to tran cus he does it best

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Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Naive Nature
252 Spe/252 Spa/6 Hp
-Earth Power
-Fire blast
-Explosion
-dragon pulse

dragon pulse because kingdra and fire blast already kills gliscor so you dont need hp ice

Gyarados @ Choice Scarf
jolly Nature
252 Atk/252 Spe/6 Hp
-Waterfall
-Stone Edge
-Ice Fang
-Earthquake try jolly cus of gyaras monstrous atk anyway at like 349 really does not change much except now no outspeeding aero ^6

You are mising a good grass move
so i say take out psychic for Grass knot on Celebi cus of the water and grounds your not hitting like starmie and RYHYPERIOR
 
Why does Tyranitar have Adamant nature? You have one physical attack and three special attacks, and then you top it off by giving it 252 SpA EVs!?

I would definitely change to a Mild nature, throw in 60 attack EVs to OHKO Blissey should it get any bright ideas switching in.
 
ya but with the set i just gave him fire punch kills scizor even if it has 299 def
and 160 hp evs invested if both stats are max ivs

which you will never see anyway on scizor
 
No such thing as a perfect team. It's all about how you play and the situations you get in. Paper pokemon does nothing for you. So for the most part, all you did was waste a whole lot of time typing out that unnecessary text. And even then, anyone could simply Magnezone the Forretress, spin away the Spikes and now ScarfHera dandily is able to hit every single one of your Pokes for SE. Hell, it comes in on a Psycho Shift burn, it's pretty much gg. I'd also worry about DDTyranitar, or hell even Boah. Is this even a RMT..No? Yes? Anywhom, I'd also watch out for anything electric, Infernape, DDMence, CBTar. Any stall team that would stall this for days. Or any weather team for that matter. Just goes to show there's no such thing as a perfect team and yours is far from one.
 
I also came up with that set before I saw Fear's thread however one thing I did change after seeing his TTar is using Naive to outrun Max speed Adamant Scizor which some Choice Bander's are. If you are planning to run a +Attack nature obviously use Crunch over Dark Pulse. Good battlers are catching on to this set as Dark Pulse is a huge difference between this and other Tyranitars and don't switch their Scizor's in and bring in their bulky water which this set can't do anything to. Crunching the Azelf gives them a false sense of security and it masks the set allowing you to bait the Scizor and kill it.
 
I could see this team having some major problems with Starmie, Dugtrio and Kingdra.

Signal beam/HP fire/hydro pump/thunderbolt expert belt Starmie (which I have seen ) would most likely sweep this enitire team if you lost your heatran who you could only KO with explosion and if your tyranitar who after any various lead is in KO range of hydro pump. Signal beam 2Hko's cress.

Therefore this is not the perfect team as it could be so decimated by only starmie.

I would highly consider Spiritomb in place of Cressalia as they really do have similar bulk. Calm mind mono attacker or the attacker set listed in the anaylis would work greatly as it could serve as a great anti spin and a good switch in in general

Aeroblacktyl makes a great point with scarf Heracross as well.
 
skiddle said:
Why does Tyranitar have Adamant nature? You have one physical attack and three special attacks, and then you top it off by giving it 252 SpA EVs!?

The Tyranitar was originally physical, but I forgot to edit it. Thanks for remindimg me.

I would definitely change to a Mild nature, throw in 60 attack EVs to OHKO Blissey should it get any bright ideas switching in.
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Great idea, i'll do that.

kazuya said:
ya but with the set i just gave him fire punch kills scizor even if it has 299 def
and 160 hp evs invested if both stats are max ivs

which you will never see anyway on scizor
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Flamethrower OHKOs Scizor anyways.

Aeroblacktyl said:
No such thing as a perfect team. It's all about how you play and the situations you get in. Paper pokemon does nothing for you. So for the most part, all you did was waste a whole lot of time typing out that unnecessary text. And even then, anyone could simply Magnezone the Forretress, spin away the Spikes and now ScarfHera dandily is able to hit every single one of your Pokes for SE. Hell, it comes in on a Psycho Shift burn, it's pretty much gg. I'd also worry about DDTyranitar, or hell even Boah. Is this even a RMT..No? Yes? Anywhom, I'd also watch out for anything electric, Infernape, DDMence, CBTar. Any stall team that would stall this for days. Or any weather team for that matter. Just goes to show there's no such thing as a perfect team and yours is far from one.
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Firstly, you don't need to be a jerk to be a team rater. The title is "IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE PERFECT TEAM??" Apparantly, your reading comprehension isn't up to par. Secondly, I would rather put effort into my rmt than make a shitty one.

You obviously just scanned the thread, because Forretress has Shed shell!
DD tar gets a DD in, ohkos a poke, and is revenged by Heatran.
Boah is slow, but not much of a threat.
Infernape is raped by Heatran.
DDmence (read DDtar)
CBtar can attack, but not much else, he's slow also.

Done.

JLei2k said:
I also came up with that set before I saw Fear's thread however one thing I did change after seeing his TTar is using Naive to outrun Max speed Adamant Scizor which some Choice Bander's are. If you are planning to run a +Attack nature obviously use Crunch over Dark Pulse. Good battlers are catching on to this set as Dark Pulse is a huge difference between this and other Tyranitars and don't switch their Scizor's in and bring in their bulky water which this set can't do anything to. Crunching the Azelf gives them a false sense of security and it masks the set allowing you to bait the Scizor and kill it.
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Not a bad idea, i'll have to wait until this happens though.

Mrobinson587 said:
I could see this team having some major problems with Starmie, Dugtrio and Kingdra.

Signal beam/HP fire/hydro pump/thunderbolt expert belt Starmie (which I have seen ) would most likely sweep this enitire team if you lost your heatran who you could only KO with explosion and if your tyranitar who after any various lead is in KO range of hydro pump. Signal beam 2Hko's cress.

Therefore this is not the perfect team as it could be so decimated by only starmie.

My god people are ignorant! Starmie could be a threat, although I could fix that by putting Bite on Gyarados, who would OHKO.

Editing now.

Do I need a threat list, or are you guys going to keep annoying me?

I would highly consider Spiritomb in place of Cressalia as they really do have similar bulk. Calm mind mono attacker or the attacker set listed in the anaylis would work greatly as it could serve as a great anti spin and a good switch in in general

Aeroblacktyl makes a great point with scarf Heracross as well.
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Cresselia gets 100% accurate Will O wisps, which help my team cripple attackers. You know that Scarfcross can come in, but does he outspeed Scarftran?

I may switch Spiritomb, I am looking at his analysis now.
 
I'm just gonna change that T-Tar:
-Obviously Get rid of Adamant and go Rash to boost your special attacks and not lower your defense
-Why Ice Punch? I'd say go with Ice Beam so you can hit bulky grounds harder (2hko Hippowdon with Rash, and also hit physically defensive zapdos hard)
-Fire Blast>Flamethrower since you can 2hko Bronzong, which is incredibly useful. Can also 1hko Skarm.

If you want to cover other leads, here is another lead Tar I've been working with:

Tyranitar @ Focus Sash/Chople Berry
Sandstream
160 Atk/12 Def/252 SpA/84 Spd
Rash
-Crunch
-Ice Beam
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake

This one uses Earthquake to deal with Infernape leads and also lets it 1hko Heatran (superpower doesn't) Crunch is to feign a band, which is quite useful in luring steels to their deaths due to that big fat Fireblast. You can't 1hko Tyranitar, but you can outspeed and 2hko CB Tyranitar. The lack of superpower means that you don't beat Blissey and opposing Tar leads though.

Focus Sash is more useful in general, since Chople Berry only lets you survive a CC from leadape. Chople doesn't lose to fake out though.
 
Oh my god, edit: Ice punch is Ice beam, sorry about that.
Ttar is naive to boost special attacks.

Bronzong is already covered, I don't need to use Ttar on him, and missing cannot happen.
 
I don't see this team beating Stall anytime soon.

You are walled horribly by Skarmbliss, and you can't spin shit since they always have the Rotoms, who also wall the hell out of this team.

You need some sort of Mixed Sweeper, and a stat-up sweeper as well.
 
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