Is Persian Good?

Mence

With the moveset combination Crobat wishes it could have (Hypnosis and Nasty Plot), and with High Speed, Persian seems like it could sweep as long as it gets in a Nasty Plot, or two, in before it starts dealing damage.

Do you guys think this moveset would work in standard/Ou play? I want to see if Persian can really sweep?

Persian: Focus Sash/Life Orb

Hypnosis
Nasty Plot
Hidden Power [Ice]
Thunder Bolt

Ability_ Technician/Limber

My plan for Focus Sash is incase my Hypnosis misses, Persian goes 2nd, or you want a 2nd Nasty Plot.

In the best case scenario, Persian uses Hypnosis first in the first turn.

On the switch you Nasty Plot, and you use Nasty Plot again as they attack you because you have Focus Sash to keep you alive, and then you sweep with +4 Special Attack and a good Ice/Electric Combination. Technician may boost Hidden Power Ice (I am not sure), so use that for a good boost, or use Limber if I am wrong.

Otherwise if you don't want Focus Sash, you can just Nasty Plot once and Sweep with Life Orb, which helps keep Persian's Special Attack strong.

Additionally, I went to Serebii.net and checked out Persian's movepool, and found "Assist."

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/053.shtml

I think for Stadium Mode (3 vs 3), you could try and make a team with Pokemon that know Judgement Pebble (2 Smeargle/ 2 Arcues/ 1 Smeargle and 1 Arcues) and that way you could assist a Special Attack that is 100 Base Power, (and unless it is a Normal type, you have to attach a Plate so it would then be 120 Base Power).

If you decide not to opt for a plate Persian gets Stab off of a Normal type Judgement Pebble, making it 150, (effectively a slightly weaker Special version of Return).

I was thinking out Possibly combinations with Persian and Judgement Pebble.

Persian: Fist Plate

Hypnosis
Nasty Plot
(Assist) Judgement Pebble (Fighting)
Hidden Power [Ghost]

Ability_ Technician/Limber

This gives Persian a 100% accuracy Focus Blast (Fist Plate boosts its power to 120), and if Technician works, a 90 Base Power Special Ghost Attack.

You could switch the moves so its a Hidden Power [Fighting] and a Judgement Pebble [Ghost] but I think Judgement Pebble [Fighting] will be used more often.

Again you could always just switch the types to some other 2 types you like.

I really think with some smart thinking with Nasty Plot, Speed, Ice/Electric, Hypnosis, and luck Persian can really work well in Standard 6 vs 6 play. Or at least make someone's "Usable Favorites" Team.

In 3 vs 3, using Judgement Pebble could really help Persian Sweep some teams and be a possible favorite.

I really am rooting for the BL/UU Pokemon (I was inspired by the Arcanine thread), who either have Good Stats and Terrible Movesets or Bad Stats and Amazing Movesets.

Let me know if you guys think this helps.

*I did search for Persian, but none of these movesets were in the Persian Analysis Thread*

Oh I put it in the wrong section, CAN SOMEONE MOVE THIS?
 
Swift under technichian is 90 base power and 135 after stab. That needs a mention. Also there's an anyalisis on this thing...
 
Well in Stadium 3v3 Arceus isn't really allowed...
And to make assist 100% chance of selecting Judgment (NOT PEBBLE THIS IS NOT JAPAN) the ONLY other attack on your team would have to be Judgement... Meaning the ONLY Pokémon with any use on your team would be persian. Wtf?

That said, Assist is worthless without great set-up and sexy luck.

Your first set I like more. Needs more technician abuse, so to Serebiidex for me.
-Water Pulse
-Shock Wave
-Hidden Power (60 BP and under, though I don't remember the final verdict when this was being tested)

Ehhh. I was hoping it could get Charge Beam, lol. Best technician abuse ever = Charge Beam?

Other than that, no comment.


@Matyke: How does Persian learn swift? I don't see it at all for Meowth or Persian on Serebiidex.
 
Look, if you're going to use this in OU, you need to have more than 18% HP to sweep even 3 pokemon , what with Sandstream screwing it up. And if you use it in UU, Quick Attack is always dangerous... So Focus Sash isn't a great idea.
 
Okay, hm...
Swift is from Emerald Tutor.

Persian is still not too good as a special sweeper aside from being a gimmick or being in UU. It's pretty weak...
 
Quite frankly those Persian sets are as gimmicky as they come, they won't work even in a UU environment let alone the standard. Also nobody has even mentioned one of Persian's more effective sets.

Persian@Muscle Band or Wide Lens
Technician
-Fake Out
-Hypnosis
-U-Turn
-Bite

Simple as they come, Bite becomes a 90 power 30 flinch dark attack. Perfect for something with a 115 base speed and ghost coverage. Fake Out gets STAB and Technician and much like Ambipom and also U-Turn for quick escapes.

Difference here is Persian can also potentially cripple anything with its 115 base speed and ability to Hypnosis.

Heres the important part, 115 is enough to equal it with even Starmie and puts it above even Gengar and even Ambipom.
 
YES PERSIAN IS GOD. I use that exact moveset and persian always wrecks from 2-4 pokemon before being immobilized. My friend and I tried it out and it works wonders. I never lead with persian because choice scarfers and I use wide lense since I seem to battle people who use spikes/sr all the time. I'm remaking mine to see if my friend and I can make it kind of bulky. Not sure yet. Damn...I knew persians were going to be used more lol. oh well, what can we do?

Nasty plot move set btw. I think the physical one blows ass. physical=shat. special is way more effective. screw the physical.
 
You can get a Hidden Power that is 60 power or under, you just need the right IVs.

Also, heh a snore set could be a cool surprise although probably not useful...since it does get snore from the ADV move tutors. Heh, Nasty Plot-Technician STAB Snore!
 
I think you should have Technician boosted physical attacks for that pooor 70 Atk.

It gets Tech boosts from: Bite, Faint Attack, Assurance, Water Pulse, Aerial Ace, Shock Wave, Thief, Payback,
STAB Tech boosts from: Scratch, Cut, Fake out, and Fury Swipes.

Physical seems to outweigh Special when it comes to the Gimmick of Persian in OU.
 
Persian is fun. I have been trying him out a bit on Shoddy Battle but I haven't done much with him yet. All the things I want to sleep with Persian seem to be faster. I might try Hypnosis / U-Turn with Choice Scarf.
 
Persian is good, but Ambipom can do pretty much everything it does, but better. Hypnosis is the only thing that makes Persian not a totally overshadowed clone.
 
Ambipom doesn't get Limber to avoid paralysis, so maybe that ability is the better choice if you actually want to use it in Standards and not be outclassed by Ambipom. I agree that Hypnosis is needed too though.
 
Forsety said:
Technician doesn't boost Hidden Power period.
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I don't believe the research on that was ever confirmed, as other variable base power moves WERE boosted, like Low-BP Grass Knot or Nature Power; Hidden Power was supposed to be retested and confirmed technician didn't take effect, but as far as I'm aware it never was.
 
Aviano said:
Persian is good, but Ambipom can do pretty much everything it does, but better. Hypnosis is the only thing that makes Persian not a totally overshadowed clone.
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And Bite too.

Ambipom lacks a good strong high flinch move which covers something its weak against to boot.

Point is the set I posted earlier is something that works off Persian's good speed, accounts for its lack of defenses and takes advantage of something nothing else can do.
 
Sadly, Persian lost its use after RBY =[

I can see this doing some damage in UU, but amongst the pokemon of OU I doubt it'll get far. Not only will it be walled, but there are much better special sweepers.
 
Technician doesn't boost Hidden Power period.
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About Technician, every test Peterko has done for it for the damage formula suggests that it boosts _every_ move whose move power is 60 or less. That includes variable move-power moves like Revenge (Peterko confirmed it boosts when it is 60 power, and doesn't boost when it is 120), Hidden Power (OmegaDonut showed that Technician boosts Hidden Power when its base power is 60 or less, but not if it is more than 60). So I have every reason to believe the guy reporting that Natural Gift is also boosted by Technician when the berry makes its base power 60.
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The 2nd quote is from the D/P Research thread.

In any case this would make the original set a 90 BP Ice Hidden Power without a 10% chance to freeze. And if Hypnosis-Nasty Plot-Thunderbolt is only available to Persian (Ninetales can least Hypnosis Nasty Plot but has a different realm of Special attacks to work with)
I don't see why Thunderbolt + 60BP HP Ice wouldn't work.
 
Shadow Ball + Thunderbolt covers more times than HP ice + Thunder Bolt and is stronger, and if has a -SpDef bonus that helps that abysmal special attack.
 
Forsety said:
Quite frankly those Persian sets are as gimmicky as they come, they won't work even in a UU environment let alone the standard. Also nobody has even mentioned one of Persian's more effective sets.

Persian@Muscle Band or Wide Lens
Technician
-Fake Out
-Hypnosis
-U-Turn
-Bite

Simple as they come, Bite becomes a 90 power 30 flinch dark attack. Perfect for something with a 115 base speed and ghost coverage. Fake Out gets STAB and Technician and much like Ambipom and also U-Turn for quick escapes.

Difference here is Persian can also potentially cripple anything with its 115 base speed and ability to Hypnosis.

Heres the important part, 115 is enough to equal it with even Starmie and puts it above even Gengar and even Ambipom.
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Ambipom has 115 speed (ties with Persian) AND gets Nasty Plot + Swift + Technician + Baton Pass as well. Hypnosis however, seems like something only Persian can do. Course, Gallade can do Swords Dance + Hypnosis, but does not have the 115 base speed to pull it off.

Ninetails pulls off Flash Fire + Nasty Plot + Hypnosis and is slightly slower at 100 base speed (still pretty fast nonetheless). With some speed, it will beat out ChainChomp (but 252/252 Garchomp will always beat 252/252 Ninetails)
 
Dragontamer said:
Ambipom has 115 speed (ties with Persian) AND gets Nasty Plot + Swift + Technician + Baton Pass as well. Hypnosis however, seems like something only Persian can do. Course, Gallade can do Swords Dance + Hypnosis, but does not have the 115 base speed to pull it off.

Ninetails pulls off Flash Fire + Nasty Plot + Hypnosis and is slightly slower at 100 base speed (still pretty fast nonetheless). With some speed, it will beat out ChainChomp (but 252/252 Garchomp will always beat 252/252 Ninetails)
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lies, there is always the mater of IV's :)

that beside, Persian seems rather sexy, :P
for UU, in OU it's not going to be doing much but hypnosis and U-turn
 
Persian also has Icy Wind [88 BP? Iono] which also lowers lowers opponents speed so you can slow down switch-ins and U-Turn out [LOL just read above post] or whatever. Just thought I'd mention it.
 
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