Is Scizor Smogon's Mascot?

How does Scizor affect you?

  • I agree with you about Scizor

    Votes: 3 18.8%

  • I think you and the people who agree with me are whining about Scizor

    Votes: 13 81.3%

  • I am reliant on Scizor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    16
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Donutt

Now I know Scizor is a kickass pokemon and with the new bullet punch it is just rapeage but there ARE OTHER PHYSICAL SWEEPERS. I just read some RMTs and WOW, holy shit it was on 70 percent of all the teams. Scizor is not the best pokemon in the world. And with EVERYONE using it is kind of annoying having to have 1-2 counters to it on every team. People should be able to enjoy pokemon they use without having to worry about Scizor all the fucking time. BE original people. Ninjask is another bug type. LUCARIO gets bullet punch. To all you guys who know you cant live without Scizor seriously learn to use something else. I know your going to post defensive commments saying "We're entitled to use whatever pokemon we want" or "You even said Scizor is good, so why shouldnt we use it?" The Smogon community has thrived on Scizor as if it were a god. And if someone ever asked you the first pyhsical sweeper you could think of, half of you would spout out scizor. I dont know why the Metagame has to be so centrilizaded on one pokemon once it gets a new move or a new strategy is developed. Look at Garchomp, it was the "old" Scizor and now we have Scizor on every team. I know there ARE original people on Smogon and boy do I give them credit. But the majority of people on smogon will rotate around a single pokemon which is really annoying. And look, Im not going to complain when a new Scizor comes out, the thing that makes me mad is that it is on every single team and nobody can think of their own replacements. so yeah how'd I didly-do

reliable scizor counters:

Salamence
Gyrados
Zapdos
Magnezone :D
Heatran
Dragonite
Kingdra(maybe)
Magmortar(maybe)


TO THOSE WHO VOTED: 70% of the people who voted are reliant on Scizor
 
"Who Cares". Either deal with Scizor being everywhere by using something like Heatran or don't play Pokemon. By the way, if Scizor is the number 1 used Pokemon, isn't it for a reason, maybe because it IS the best?
 
Everyone knows Smogon's mascot is Koffing.

If you check the Emblem in the top-left corner of the screen, you'll see that Koffing firmly stands place atop the Smogon Emblem.
 
I agree with you. It's like Smogon users go on some ever running fad on using the same # 1 poke and cheap ripoffs of the same team.

Sure there are other pokemon but these guys just follow the trend and back it up with "I am just trying to put myself in the best position to win blah blah blah" the same old story.
 
Scizor is #1 on RMTs for the same reason he's #1 in usage: he is good. In both offense and defense, too. Think of it, it can do almost anything that is so desired (priority, Steel resists, Roost, etc).

Most fads take a short while to take down, but it seems to me Scizor is here to stay. Live and deal with it.
 
Burzum said:
I agree with you. It's like Smogon users go on some ever running fad on using the same # 1 poke and cheap ripoffs of the same team.

Sure there are other pokemon but these guys just follow the trend and back it up with "I am just trying to put myself in the best position to win blah blah blah" the same old story.
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what exactly was the point of blaming "Smogon users" as opposed to "Pokemon players?" And I'm not sure why people still have a problem with "copying #1 pokemon" when the most obvious logical reasoning for that has always been "the #1 pokemon is the best pokemon"
 
Its a bloody outrage, people using the best pokémon - who would have thought of it! We should hereby force people to carry a mandatory delibird in order to maintain the equilibrum.

Seriously though, something will always be number one (obviously) so we just have to accept this and move on. If people stopped using scizor Heatran would just rise to the top.
 
Donutt said:
Now I know Scizor is a kickass pokemon and with the new bullet punch it is just rapeage but there ARE OTHER PHYSICAL SWEEPERS. I just read some RMTs and WOW, holy shit it was on 70 percent of all the teams. Scizor is not the best pokemon in the world. And with EVERYONE using it is kind of annoying having to have 1-2 counters to it on every team. People should be able to enjoy pokemon they use without having to worry about Scizor all the fucking time. BE original people. Ninjask is another bug type. LUCARIO gets bullet punch. To all you guys who know you cant live without Scizor seriously learn to use something else. I know your going to post defensive commments saying "We're entitled to use whatever pokemon we want" or "You even said Scizor is good, so why shouldnt we use it?" The Smogon community has thrived on Scizor as if it were a god. And if someone ever asked you the first pyhsical sweeper you could think of, half of you would spout out scizor. I dont know why the Metagame has to be so centrilizaded on one pokemon once it gets a new move or a new strategy is developed. Look at Garchomp, it was the "old" Scizor and now we have Scizor on every team. I know there ARE original people on Smogon and boy do I give them credit. But the majority of people on smogon will rotate around a single pokemon which is really annoying. And look, Im not going to complain when a new Scizor comes out, the thing that makes me mad is that it is on every single team and nobody can think of their own replacements. so yeah how'd I didly-do
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Oh, I just had a flashback to ADV with the Skarmbliss whiners. You don't compete with them yet, but your getting close ^_^
 
Burzum said:
I agree with you. It's like Smogon users go on some ever running fad on using the same # 1 poke and cheap ripoffs of the same team.

Sure there are other pokemon but these guys just follow the trend and back it up with "I am just trying to put myself in the best position to win blah blah blah" the same old story.
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People don't use it the most because it's number one, it's number one because people use it the most...
 
Personally i have only recently been using Scizor and I have found it to be useful, more so than before. Post-Plat it has definately taken a larger place in my thinking, as it is obviously better than it was before, but i never had that much luck with it really. I expect the fad willl calm down a little bit as the metagame settles down a bit, it hasn't quite got there yet IMO.
 
devoninja said:
oxymoron

Also logic is different from excuses.
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well I meant people are always doing it hence the ever running part, and the fad refers to what ever pokemon is near the top as the metagame changes, something is brought down from Ubers etc and is seeing constant use.

It seems like people centralize the metagame more then the pokes do which is sad.

Blame Game said:
what exactly was the point of blaming "Smogon users" as opposed to "Pokemon players?" And I'm not sure why people still have a problem with "copying #1 pokemon" when the most obvious logical reasoning for that has always been "the #1 pokemon is the best pokemon"
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Well the reason why I said Smogon users as opposed to for example a Serebii or Marriland player is because they tend to use their favorite pokes more. I'm not saying people should do that.
 
First of all, Magnezone ftw.

Second of all, I agree. I find absolutely NO satisfaction winning with a team that everyone else uses, nor do I find satisfaction playing the same pokemon over and over (though I do enjoy Scizor being everywhere since I rape it with Magnezone).

It's to the point where people don't even make their own team anymore. They just borrow someone else's and think they're awesome when they win.
 
Jesus fucking christ stop whinging. You should be happy that every team uses Scizor, I know I am. It makes my opponents that much more predictable, I'd rather them use that then something I'm not used to dealing with.

Got a problem with it, then run a Magnezone with + 230 speed and HP Fire, simple, no more Scizor.

Really, the reason that more of us use it then Marriland or Serebii players is that we're much more geared towards the competitive side of battling. Once again, if you don't like it then you don't have to stay.
 
You know who I find complains about people being "unoriginal" a lot? People who lose a lot and don't think it's their own fault. You get your butt kicked by Scizor, so it's everyone else just being stupid for using it. Scizor became popular by being good, that's what happens when you get two really good moves added to a pokemon's movepool especially ones like Bullet Punch and Superpower that just seem to fit with what it needed.

Happened to me a lot when I used Garchomp, and I had him on wifi since D/P competitive play kicked off. Or when you use SkarmBliss, people who don't use it complain when they can't stop it. If you want to use your favorites in OU and that ends up including a couple BL or UU, good for you, more power to ya. But don't say I'm being unoriginal because I like Gengar, or Heatran, etc.

In short, Learn 2 Play
 
Of course then on the other side, everyone who uses it defends it to death by calling out the other person's skill level. Because apparently just using the same pokemon as everyone else takes a LOT of skill.

I just don't see how using the same pokemon everyone else does for the sake of what is claimed to be "competition" is any fun at all. At ALL.

And like I said, I don't lose to Scizor. My Magnezone destroys it.
 
there ARE OTHER PHYSICAL SWEEPERS
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Yes. And if you'll look, about 70% of teams run either Gyarados, Salamence, or both. Often alongside Scizor. Lucario is fairly common as well. What's your point?

BE original people. Ninjask is another bug type. LUCARIO gets bullet punch.
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I must have missed the part where Ninjask had 130 Attack, 70/100/80 defenses, Steel Typing giving him only one weakness, and a massively powerful priority move.

As for Lucario, his Bullet Punch is coming off of 20 less base power and lack of Technician, which hurts. He's almost always better off packing ExtremeSpeed for his priority move. Lucario also has worse typing (Weak to Fighting and Ground moves in addition to fire, though not double-weak to Fire), lack of Roost, and worse defenses (70/70/70). He's got a much better movepool, IMO, with things like ExtremeSpeed and STAB Close Combat, but if what you want is a Bullet Puncher, Scizor is the way to go.

Also, you complain about lack of originality, but you're neglecting the part where Scizor actually has some fairly diverse Movesets. I mean, CB Scizor packing Pursuit, U-Turn, Bullet Punch, and whatever is almost as common as SD Scizor. And SD Scizor has several iterations, be it the more defensive Roosting Scizor, double priority Scizor (Quick Attack next to BP), and of course the choice of Fighting move. Scizor is arguably more diverse than something like Gyara, which pretty much just has "Offensive DD Gyara" and "Bulky DD Gyara" as its options.
 
YOOM-TAH said:
I just don't see how using the same pokemon everyone else does for the sake of what is claimed to be "competition" is any fun at all. At ALL.
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If you think scizor is that annoying then stop playing or else stop whining. GOD

edit: also this topic is stupid LOL
 
Slobroking said:
If you think scizor is that annoying then stop playing or else stop whining. GOD
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I don't think he's that annoying. Like I said, I destroy it. But I find facing the same team over and over is annoying. And I still enjoy the game, and I still have a right to express my opinion on the matter.
 
It's stupid when you say stuff like "people steal teams and think they're awesome" just because they're using scizor. So no you don't really have the right to say that as it's not true at all.
 
YOOM-TAH said:
I don't think he's that annoying. Like I said, I destroy it. But I find facing the same team over and over is annoying. And I still enjoy the game, and I still have a right to express my opinion on the matter.
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If you always destroy it then why do you care if it's in every team?
 
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