NOC JOAT 10 Game Thread [Completed, GG Mafia]

It's a wash describes something that comes out even; no one side has an advantage over another or the positive and negative aspects of a situation seem to cancel each other out.


the more i get paid to write/teach english as a job, the more i am willing to butcher the language
can you answer my question? see below
now we're playing Mafia

i see you buddying up to me

why do you think AG is mafia. i know i keep asking this but im genuinely curious because partly im lazy and dont want to go back and read and also i'm not sure and to some extent i guess i don't really think AG is scum.

do you think zippy is mafia
 
jalmont zippy mafia duo is going to wash this game isnt it
Not this one but a future one. I'll just piss him off in scum chat and then we can have organic back and forth trying to get each other voted out.



ImaginaryNeon in this game has had some egregious fence-sitting. This is in contrast to his play in Assist Trophy Mutiny.
While they have a jokey attitude, in Assist Trophy Mutiny there was genuine solving/trying to pressure scumreads. For example:


Aight fuck it, I'll put my reads here.
Hard Town:
Spiderz - got greenchecked lol, but if AG flips scum (as unlikely as that would be), I'm down to pressure this slot a bit further

Townlean:
AG - my brain was about to put you in town because "well there's no way they roll scum twice in a row" but then I realized I confused you for LS, but overall still pretty towny imo.
Whydon - Generally seems to be townread.

Scumlean:
Shadowpea - new coaching allegations just dropped...because I just made them lol. But in all seriousness there's a reason this is just a lean compared to the other two, and that's the odds of me being wrong being much uhhhh...less slim...?

Scum:
Haruno - defended Zippy and hasn't been talking that much I think
Zippy - CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA CHUGGA

Which is why, in #588, I said that if AG flips scum, I'd be fine with pressuring Spiderz a bit.

Also note how Zippy ain't even trying to defend himself.


Contrast his Day 1 that game to Day 1 of this one.

Yo Jalmont hasn't been reading all over the place like in Assist Trophy, I think he might be scum.

Unvote
Vote everyone

Voting everyone aka "finding everyone scummy" (done by mafia to not step on anyone's toes)



in fact, Neon's EoD1 was to vote me, but then clarify in the next post this
(He's being a bit annoying)
Giving them an excuse to stay off the Emchee/Haruno wagon, and also preemptively downplaying their vote on me.


ImaginaryNeon's whole ISO is very fence-sitting, which is a lot different to how he played in Assist Mutiny. There is literally no hunting or solving in this game, while last game actually had a lot.
 
It's a wash describes something that comes out even; no one side has an advantage over another or the positive and negative aspects of a situation seem to cancel each other out.


the more i get paid to write/teach english as a job, the more i am willing to butcher the language
yeah i dont quite get what that means in this context?
 
Oh yes there is something I forgot to mention.

post #230
Yo Jalmont hasn't been reading all over the place like in Assist Trophy, I think he might be scum.


Fuck it I'm voting Jalmont.
He's barely been doin' shit, which heavily contrasts with Assist Trophy.
Vote JALMONT


Via Neon's spreadsheet from post 686 the only other two people who had reads against JALMONT by the time of this posting were AG as null and skipper as null (against JALMONT). I am wondering what made Neon vote against JALMONT when two other people had null reads against him.


I think what this may be is JALMONT and ImaginaryNeon distancing from each other as scum buddies. But this is just a theory that came to me in a dream.
 
yeah i dont quite get what that means in this context?

what i basically wanted to say that i thought i was being clever about was like, "if jalmont and neon are mafia they're doing very well and we're about to get wiped before we piece that together" bc they have very good distancing if they're aligned as scum
 
Voting skipper is the losing play.

I feel like they have some level of scum equity with JALMONT, they had some interaction that could be viewed as distancing, but the more it goes on the less it feels like that.

So if we lynch Skipper, we sort of lose even if they are mafia. Because if they are mafia then who is their partner? We will have no way of having the wolf partners spew each other if we lynch WOLF-Skipper.


He's definitely scummy though but we basically gotta 50% solve the game today or we lose.

The same logic applies to Neon, although Neon is objectively better than Skipper as they have more content to look at after a flip.
 
Voting skipper is the losing play.

I feel like they have some level of scum equity with JALMONT, they had some interaction that could be viewed as distancing, but the more it goes on the less it feels like that.

So if we lynch Skipper, we sort of lose even if they are mafia. Because if they are mafia then who is their partner? We will have no way of having the wolf partners spew each other if we lynch WOLF-Skipper.


He's definitely scummy though but we basically gotta 50% solve the game today or we lose.

The same logic applies to Neon, although Neon is objectively better than Skipper as they have more content to look at after a flip.
so you're basically saying you don't think skip is mafia or that skip and I are bussing each other. that's an interesting defense.

it just seems totally crazy to me that we can't consider 1 guy not because we don't think he's mafia...but because we think voting him out EVEN IF HE IS MAFIA will cause us to LOSE the game ??????????? so we are just giving low posters a pass now ?
 
so you're basically saying you don't think skip is mafia or that skip and I are bussing each other. that's an interesting defense.

it just seems totally crazy to me that we can't consider 1 guy not because we don't think he's mafia...but because we think voting him out EVEN IF HE IS MAFIA will cause us to LOSE the game ??????????? so we are just giving low posters a pass now ?
I've been thinking about this conversation a bit... but I was mentally hanging up on some things. I think "EVEN IF HE IS MAFIA" jostled my thoughts loose. Skip and Zippy were both on my list... gonna plug a "Zippy is covering for skip" idea about this.

Especially since Zippy said skip had equity with you, JALMONT. At this point, I'm afraid of hammers taking away time to talk, so I'm leaving my vote as-is for now. But I like voting either one of them much more than my previous belief that they were just our best bet.
 
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