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Kyurem
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Kyuremu is very bulky and not weak to anything Shandera commonly carries, thanks to its Dragon type making Fire neutral, so you're usually better off waiting until it's at around 60% or below to do anything to him.
Bumping this for a little discussion. I've been concocting a set in my head for my favorite little Ice Dragon to see some usage in this OP Dragon metagame.
Kyuremu @ Leftovers/Haban Berry
Nature: idk
EVs: idk, but pretty bulky
Claw Sharpen
Blizzard/Substitute
HP Fire/Focus Blast
Outrage
I've always said that Kyuremu sets up on most bulky Water types hard and this is still true. Suicune, Burungeru, and Vaporeon can't touch him if he has a sub. If he doesn't, however, that's when things get complicated; that's when Burungeru gets to WoW and Vappy and Sucuine can spam Boiling Water for a Burn. I really like having Blizzard in the first spot for that awesome, reliable STAB though, but you lose out on a safeguard against Scizor and other Steel types.
What do you guys think?
Kyuremu @ Leftovers/Haban Berry
Nature: idk
EVs: idk, but pretty bulky
Claw Sharpen
Blizzard/Substitute
HP Fire/Focus Blast
Outrage
I've always said that Kyuremu sets up on most bulky Water types hard and this is still true. Suicune, Burungeru, and Vaporeon can't touch him if he has a sub. If he doesn't, however, that's when things get complicated; that's when Burungeru gets to WoW and Vappy and Sucuine can spam Boiling Water for a Burn. I really like having Blizzard in the first spot for that awesome, reliable STAB though, but you lose out on a safeguard against Scizor and other Steel types.
What do you guys think?
I would go with Focus Blast over HP Fire...Not only does Focus Blast have good synergy with the set overall, HP Fire is pretty useless.Politoed has been released so even in WiFi Rain will be popular...And seeing how dominant Tyranitar is, then its always good to have a fighting attack.Also, HP Fire does kill Scizor but why would you even stay in and (most likely with SR) get KOed by Bullet Punch.Nattorei is hit hard by Focus Blast and Skarmory by Blizzard.
HP Fire seems useless specially when with Focus Blast it will be able to do hurt more stuff.Like Heatran.
Ok, you've sold me. Every time I think of Kyuremu, I'm thinking "Steels, Steels, Steels! Watch out for his other dragon buddies!", but Steels are easier to get counters for than other Dragons, so we can just get some Zone action in there and call it a day.
The reason I go with HP Fire is that Focus Blast NEVER hits. Really, it's like attacks that have 70 % accuracy only have a 30 % chance to hit, lol. It's happened numerous times that it doesn't hit 3 times in a row, and most of the time it won't hit 2 times in a row too.
You can never count on that stupid attack, because, well, it never hits anyway. It's like I don't have a forth move (well, it's actually worse than that, because it's like I don't even use any attack in the first place).
Just my experience with that ****...
To me the issue would be the relative (to 4th gen) rarity of Bulky Waters. Vappy and Suicune are pretty uncommon, and it's not like the aforementioned Burungeru is on every team. Besides Burungeru I feel like the most common bulky water is bulky gyara, but they almost universally carry Dragon Tail (or at least Roar) so . . . :/
Nattorei has scared them all off :D (this would be a good thing in my book)
Since Wish restores half the Wish users hp, the heart Mamambo Poke or whatever the heck it's name is is a good team mate for wish because of the large hp recovery. Also, Kyurem is like the ultimate lure of Steels so why not have Shadow Tag Shandera or Magnezone as well? Actually, it can be a blessing to have Team viewer to play mind games with your oppenent if they see Kyurem and Shandera/Magnezone together since nothing other than steels can stop kyurem for long (or other faster dragons) but they can't switch in Scizor/Breloom (probably most commonly mentioned Kyurem counters) if they know you have a trapper. That leaves them in an uncomfortable place since they'll need to use them eventually but once they come out, it could be trapped and annihilated and once they're gone, Kyurem can easily destroy them.
I think the best set is:
Kyurem Life Orb
Modest Nature
80 Hp/60 Def/252 SAtk/118 Spd (outruns Breloom and Jolly Tar)
-Reflect
-Draco Meteor
-Focus Blast
-Icebeam
This plays with the opponents mind since switching in a revenge killer gets them in turn revenged, nothing can safely switch in, and with Reflect Kyurem can possibly laugh at a lot of his "counters" and ko back. Focus Blast hits most steels for neutral and supereffective, the common steel wall Skarmory and Nattorei are hit by neutral Icebeam, and nothing much is going to like Draco Meteor. Standard Choice Band Scizors with no special defense are 2 hit koed by Draco Meteor with Stealth Rock up and obviously Breloom dies a horrible death. All Tyranitar except Choice Scarf are outsped and if Focus Blast does hit, they will die, even the max hp special defensive variant. Choice Scarf Tyranitar does not ohko this variant at full health with Stone Edge without a critical hit or Life Orb recoil. Behind Reflect, it will have half it's health remaining.
Behind Reflect, this thing is beastly.
Guts Boosted Max attack Roopushin:28.22-34.06%
Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch: 35.04-41.36%
Choice Band Scizor Technician Bullet Punch: 40.88-48.18%
Choice Scarf Garchomp Outrage: 49.64-58.39%
If one chooses, one could throw Light Screen on as well for things like Latios who try to Draco Meteor you into oblivion. However, always switch out of Latios since Choice Specs Draco Meteor is an ohko even behind Light Screen. It will certainly help a steel take it however. If Light Screen, it is probably best over Focus Blast or Icebeam, most likely Focus Blast.
Wish support is greatly helpful especially with the changes in Wish so having things like Vaporeon, Mamambo, or Blissey as Wish users is also quite handy. The good news is that Blissey can also take Latios and Kyurem takes most physical attackers and with Reflect can survive even those that try to take it on and also trappers make it hard for steels. Draco Meteor/Icebeam will handle pretty much everything else and those that aren't have trappers and Focus Blast to watch out for.
I think the best set is:
Kyurem Life Orb
Modest Nature
80 Hp/60 Def/252 SAtk/118 Spd (outruns Breloom and Jolly Tar)
-Reflect
-Draco Meteor
-Focus Blast
-Icebeam
This plays with the opponents mind since switching in a revenge killer gets them in turn revenged, nothing can safely switch in, and with Reflect Kyurem can possibly laugh at a lot of his "counters" and ko back. Focus Blast hits most steels for neutral and supereffective, the common steel wall Skarmory and Nattorei are hit by neutral Icebeam, and nothing much is going to like Draco Meteor. Standard Choice Band Scizors with no special defense are 2 hit koed by Draco Meteor with Stealth Rock up and obviously Breloom dies a horrible death. All Tyranitar except Choice Scarf are outsped and if Focus Blast does hit, they will die, even the max hp special defensive variant. Choice Scarf Tyranitar does not ohko this variant at full health with Stone Edge without a critical hit or Life Orb recoil. Behind Reflect, it will have half it's health remaining.
Behind Reflect, this thing is beastly.
Guts Boosted Max attack Roopushin:28.22-34.06%
Life Orb Technician Breloom Mach Punch: 35.04-41.36%
Choice Band Scizor Technician Bullet Punch: 40.88-48.18%
Choice Scarf Garchomp Outrage: 49.64-58.39%
If one chooses, one could throw Light Screen on as well for things like Latios who try to Draco Meteor you into oblivion. However, always switch out of Latios since Choice Specs Draco Meteor is an ohko even behind Light Screen. It will certainly help a steel take it however. If Light Screen, it is probably best over Focus Blast or Icebeam, most likely Focus Blast.
Wish support is greatly helpful especially with the changes in Wish so having things like Vaporeon, Mamambo, or Blissey as Wish users is also quite handy. The good news is that Blissey can also take Latios and Kyurem takes most physical attackers and with Reflect can survive even those that try to take it on and also trappers make it hard for steels. Draco Meteor/Icebeam will handle pretty much everything else and those that aren't have trappers and Focus Blast to watch out for.
Exactly.I have tried Kyuremu as a sweeper and receiver of speed but i have to say he is pretty underwhelming.Not hating on him, but he doesn't hit as hard as i wished it did.
If you manage to pass it a speed boost from Blaziken and the opponent no longer has something faster,Mach/Bullet Punch then it will do alot of damage then.
Blaziken and this guy have pretty good synergy, as long as he doesn't get burned.
I can see your point.But his set was using Claw Sharpen which increases accuracy.
There is no reason to use heartfish while vappy exists, but i can attest that kyurem works great with water-type wish users due to typing (dragon resists both of water's weaknesses). Unfortunately, this applies to most other dragons as well, and Kyurem's main problem is that he's outclassed.
Um...magnezone isn't a 100% counter to every steel in the game. Kyurem is already outclassed enough without having to take up two teamslots. Sorry to be negative but someone has to provide a counterpoint.
Frozen World is actually quite helpful. It's good to spam if you're about to force a switch, something Kyurem is good at due to his meteor summoning. I think that if you're gonna use Kyurem, it's best to utilize something that other dragons can't: lower the speed of a switch-in and give yourself the momentum.
Um...magnezone isn't a 100% counter to every steel in the game. Kyurem is already outclassed enough without having to take up two teamslots. Sorry to be negative but someone has to provide a counterpoint.
Frozen World is actually quite helpful. It's good to spam if you're about to force a switch, something Kyurem is good at due to his meteor summoning. I think that if you're gonna use Kyurem, it's best to utilize something that other dragons can't: lower the speed of a switch-in and give yourself the momentum.
Don't be so sure...While i hated "heartfishs'" special defense when i tested him, i found that he has something over Vaporeon..Aqua Jet and an OK attack score.
I used Impish with a couple of attack EVs with Aqua Jet,Protect,Wish and Toxic.While it may not OHKO Doryuuzu it does do respectable damage and can be used to take its ballon away or KO it it has taken damage.This allows your team to not be utterly destroyed by Doryuuzu.While it's not a counter to Doryuuze it is nice having priority and specially when its basically at no cost.
I wasn't aware of any dragons that learn Reflect excep Latios who would never use it when it could just attack, and Latias who has is really meh compared to Latios and Sazandora and this. Magnezone does work on most steels and most Nattorei actually have Leftovers (because it quite frankly needed them).
Magnezone has always been a handy partner for every Dragon from pretty much the beginning for Dragonite, Salamence, Latias, Flygon, etc.
I like Frozen World but it is more likely they're switching in a priority user or just revenge killing you in which case Frozen World won't be helpful. At least with Reflect, you can take Mach Punches and Bullet Punches and ko or provide cover for something else like Magnezone, Shandera, etc.
I heard that Mamambo takes special hits better or equal to Vaporeon with better physical defenses, except that it can't really attack back and needs Toxic to do much although it can throw Mirror Coat for surprise at special attackers which will ko them. Vaporeon can Surf and icebeam dragons though.
He's not entirely outclassed. Better bulk and Reflect are quite positive attributes as well as Blizzard/Icebeam, Claw Sharpen, and Outrage.
Magnezone has always been a handy partner for every Dragon from pretty much the beginning for Dragonite, Salamence, Latias, Flygon, etc.
I like Frozen World but it is more likely they're switching in a priority user or just revenge killing you in which case Frozen World won't be helpful. At least with Reflect, you can take Mach Punches and Bullet Punches and ko or provide cover for something else like Magnezone, Shandera, etc.
I heard that Mamambo takes special hits better or equal to Vaporeon with better physical defenses, except that it can't really attack back and needs Toxic to do much although it can throw Mirror Coat for surprise at special attackers which will ko them. Vaporeon can Surf and icebeam dragons though.
He's not entirely outclassed. Better bulk and Reflect are quite positive attributes as well as Blizzard/Icebeam, Claw Sharpen, and Outrage.
Right now, I've been using Kyurem very sucessfully as a Specs user. I don't really feel it's outclassed, to be honest.
The set I've been using...
Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Blizzard
- Focus Blast
Unless I missed something, Draco Meteor + Ice + Focus Blast basically covers everything, so I threw in Blizzard to use as a second, non-Sp. ATK dropping Draco Meteor and use Ice Beam for when I need a guarenteed hit. This set avoids some of the Lati@s twins problems, such as Pursuit usage, but in exchange loses Trick and gains an annoying fighting weakness. While it doesn't have Sazandora's pursuit resistance, it also has much better STAB and more neutral bulk.
The overall idea is the same as about any Specs-Dragon: Come in, threaten with Specs Meteor and predict. Blizzard gives you insane power, but it's acuraccy sucks. This probably isn't an optimal set(I wasn't sure if I needed max speed or not), but it's served me well.
The set I've been using...
Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Draco Meteor
- Blizzard
- Focus Blast
Unless I missed something, Draco Meteor + Ice + Focus Blast basically covers everything, so I threw in Blizzard to use as a second, non-Sp. ATK dropping Draco Meteor and use Ice Beam for when I need a guarenteed hit. This set avoids some of the Lati@s twins problems, such as Pursuit usage, but in exchange loses Trick and gains an annoying fighting weakness. While it doesn't have Sazandora's pursuit resistance, it also has much better STAB and more neutral bulk.
The overall idea is the same as about any Specs-Dragon: Come in, threaten with Specs Meteor and predict. Blizzard gives you insane power, but it's acuraccy sucks. This probably isn't an optimal set(I wasn't sure if I needed max speed or not), but it's served me well.
Yeah, Specs is easily my favourite set, although I used Blizzard with Abomasnow support. 2HKOing Metagross and Scizor and stuff like that is always fun.
Well, regardless of it's uses you have to admit that this thing is not top OU, despite a 660 BST.
I have to gloat about my foresight that Dragon / Ice sucks. I remember all the n00bs clambering for one in the type combo theorymon thread (preceding actual pokemon info releases), and here it is-- 660 BST, and it still might fall to UU. lol
Kyuuremu might not be shit, but Ice / Dragon as typing definitely is.
I have to gloat about my foresight that Dragon / Ice sucks. I remember all the n00bs clambering for one in the type combo theorymon thread (preceding actual pokemon info releases), and here it is-- 660 BST, and it still might fall to UU. lol
Kyuuremu might not be shit, but Ice / Dragon as typing definitely is.
^After playing the admittedly preliminary UU tier for a while, i'm not sure that this will even be BL even after UU stabilizes with obvious bannings and whatnot. This could be great news for it as it will see high play in a lower tier and won't be banished to outclassed-by-everything siberia.
Sorry to sound negative again, but if you think specsrem isn't outclassed you've never played with specsdora or specslatios. Both have equal or nearly equal SPA with higher speed and infinitely better typing, movepool and abilities.
Reflect does sound like a good idea though. It would help with most priority.
Sorry to sound negative again, but if you think specsrem isn't outclassed you've never played with specsdora or specslatios. Both have equal or nearly equal SPA with higher speed and infinitely better typing, movepool and abilities.
Reflect does sound like a good idea though. It would help with most priority.
I'd use Kyu all the time if it at least had Flamethrower. Then you can actually get a sure 2HKO on bulky Jirachi, and a sweet OHKO on Skarm. Hammer Arm for Blissey would be pretty cool too.
On paper, it's really easy to emphasize his flaws, since he's pretty lacking compared to our top contending Dragons, and has major Steel problems (problems you DO NOT want to have) but going up against one of these babies is actually pretty frightening. He's pretty fucking hard to KO outright without a good DM or Outrage on your side and the guys that do have it won't want ever want to switch into him. Specs Frozen World sounds pretty cool to me actually; fucks over sweeper switch-ins and makes it a rather decent anti-lead.
On paper, it's really easy to emphasize his flaws, since he's pretty lacking compared to our top contending Dragons, and has major Steel problems (problems you DO NOT want to have) but going up against one of these babies is actually pretty frightening. He's pretty fucking hard to KO outright without a good DM or Outrage on your side and the guys that do have it won't want ever want to switch into him. Specs Frozen World sounds pretty cool to me actually; fucks over sweeper switch-ins and makes it a rather decent anti-lead.
I agree. Seriously, everyone should feel lucky that Kyuremu DOESN'T have a better typing and movepool, or else he'd probably be a clear Uber. His problems aren't THAT bad either. I mean, the Steel problem isn't that bad, since stuff like Specs Blizzard 2HKOs your common Steel-types that resist it and 3HKOs those you can't (meaning you they can only tank you once) anyway. Skarmory and Nattorei are taking it neutral as well, so they won't stand it for long either. Even Blissey is taking ~30% from it, so if you can force it to switch out around 50%, you can 2HKO it later. Without a super-effective attack, he's not dying quickly due to his very good 125/90/90 defenses. It can tank a +3 Surf in the rain from Manaphy and OHKO back with Specs Draco Meteor.
Well yeah-- and what would be wrong with that? The fact is that Kyuuremu isn't Uber, and while he might have scary ass power, the reason he's not top OU is because all the other dragons have scary ass power too (in addition to a whole bunch of other perks too), no?
Ice/Dragon gives it an advantage against some Rain Dance Sweepers and other weather sweepers (better success against the Sunny Day users than Rain Dance although must watch out for Chlorophyll Sleep Powders) that aren't Kingdra, Kabutops, Abagora, or boosted Shell Breakers (since they will have Rock and Dragon Attacks or +2 Hydro Pumps and such). Must watch out for Charizard and Sleep Poweders, but can handle Venasaur, Tangrowth, etc. I do question why Gorebyss isn't used more (Swift Swim, Shell Break, Surf/Hydro Pump=Good luck) but Kyurem can indeed take a +3 Surf or Icebeam from Manaphy and Ko with Specs Draco Meteor. While I normally like being able to switch moves, we all know the power behind Specs boosted Draco Meteors from 130 SAtk (Latios). if you play in Hail, Blizzard is also a highly powerful option. I don't know what perks most dragons have over Kyurem when they serve in different functions.
Kingdra is a Rain Dance sweeper, a very very dangerous powerful Rain Dancer Poke. It might be useful just to run one to counter other Rain Dance sweepers but outside of Rain Dance, most of the time he really isn't all that powerful when Nattorei can take on his former Dragon Dance Waterfall Outrage set so easily and Scarf Garchomp is back, speedy Doryuzu in sand, etc.
Garchomp is Garchomp. He has Sand hax, Choice Scarf, and Swords Dance to beat people with and a troll 102 base speed outspeeding 101s and lower. He is pretty strong but he has a completely different purpose from Kyurem which means you can't generally compare them but if you want to compare them both using Choice Scarf, Kyurem does have the niche of not being able to be revenge killed by Ice Sharders (unless Garchomp Sand Veil luck kicks in) or other Choice Scarf Icebeamers and most people don't use faster things with Scarf (that are going to ko Kyurem) unless they're weather dancers in which case they will outspeed everything in their appropiate weather anyways. You outspeed Manaphy and can survive and ko and if you don't, you still survive a +3 and ko with a second move unlike Garchomp or Latios (who if Manaphy survives Draco Meteor which it can with invested defense can ohko with +3 Icebeam which is another advantage of being neutral instead of weak to Ice).
Latias is outclassed by both Kyurem, Latios, and every other dragon sweeper without Soul Dew. With Latios, she can't even get the honor of being the fastest dragon with a powerful stab Draco Meteor like in the 4th gen. Being Soul Dew banned (and currently unavailable in 5th gen) the only advantage she does have is Wish and Thunderwave since her other defenses can be done by Kyuremu with that high hp and it can run Reflect/Light Screen as well. As a Wish user, she is weaker than Vaporeon, Heart fish Mamabo, Blissey, Jirachi, and Umbreon for passing wishes. Thunderwave is a surprise but Choice Scarf Garchomp could switch in knowing Thunderwave and beat it. So lol, Kyurem is not the "worst" OU dragon because of being outclassed.
Latios is beastly but Pursuit weakness is annoying. At least Kyurem doesn't have that. Although it is to be noted that both Specs Latios AND Kyurem can 2 hit ko standard Choice Band Scizor with Draco Meteor. Not that Kyurem should want to try that (without any investment Scizor has a 33.33 of ohkoing). But in a way this is a good thing since now that Scizor is so weakened, it can't switch in a second time without dying. Latios can be gutsy and strike since Bullet Punch does only 69.54% but Latios doesn't want to face Tyranitar unless carrying Choice Specs Grass Knot/Surf and hitting it on the switch in. Grass knot ohkoes min/min with Stealth Rock while Surf is a 2 hit ko that also hits Heatran. Since Choice Scarf Tyranitar usage is very low again with better revenge killers, Latios is fairly safe enough to Surf again. Kyurem doesn't like Stealth Rock but because it is lesser used (not gone, just lesser used), improved Wish passing, and Rapid Spinning, Kyurem is safer. Relying on Stealth Rock or one single thing to keep things at bay isn't generally going to help since it is a weakness that once it's gone and you have nothing else, you're going to be in very bad trouble. It could be the same for you but that's why you have multiple things to support.
Sazandora has the same Mach Punch problems as Kyurem. Other than that it is hard to say since Sazandora is sllightly faster, immune to Spikes with Levitate, neutral to Stealth Rock, and carries Fire Blast/Flamethrower. Still, Kyurem is much bulkier and neutral to Ice and Dark/Dragon is a pretty disjointed typing for the most part that seems like it should have been pure Dragon. I don't see why both can't be viable for usage if it wasn't for Latios stealing the spotlight from both of them.
Dragonite has Multi-Scale and defensive sets as well as being very hard to beat with Roost and Multi-Scale which is Light Screen/Reflect at full health. However, it still has a 4x Ice Weakness and the same Stealth Rock weakness as Kyurem. But they have completely different purposes with Dragonite being a very bulky Dragon Dancer, an offensive Dragon Dancer with Multi-Scale, a mixed attacker, Rain abuser (dangerous with Ice attacks and Rain sweepers but...)and a statuser/phazer spikes damage racking abuser. Kyurem has Screens, mixed, and straight out attacking. It is unfortunate for Dragonite it can't have Multi-Scale with Super Power. Dragonite is one of the best dragons but as a special attacker, Kyurem is better.
Crimigan has a niche of being a Choice Band user,Trick Room danger, and abuser of Shed Skin. Lesser seen but potentially dangerous. Different from Kyurem though.
Salamence has gone down because of Dragonite and Garchomp but it still is a decent Dragon Dancer with access to speed, really strong special attack and Fireblast. Different.
Onokonosu has a small movepool as well. It is technically faster but bulkier variants have proven to help surviveability a lot and make it slightly less glass cannon so Kyurem is faster. Plus, it is a physical attacker and Kyurem is a special attacker so you can't compare that. Kyurem has way better resistances. But still, not really comparable.
Flygon...why use it with Garchomp? It is almost completely outclassed by every Dragon. Choice Band is done better by Dragonite, Salamence, Crimigan, Garchomp. Choice Scarf is outrun by Garchomp, Latios, and Latias as well as Kingdra in Rain. Choice Specs...why? The only set it has that isn't outclassed is Roost/Substitute/Toxic/Earthquake which is useable with Levitate and those resistances but it only works on stall and it is beaten by Ballooners, Poison Orb Gliscor, and most everything that isn't using a resisted move.
Other than Sazandora and Latios and occasionally Dragonite, you can't really compare other dragon and specifically say they are better. Kyurem has the honor of being a really powerful Ice/Dragon who is not nearly as bad as everyone says (Utter trash it is not). Plus is pretty viable in Overused and Ubers with coverage on almost everything with Dragon/Ice and resisting Water/Electric/Grass and neutralities to Ice/Fire. Obviously as a Dragon you have a Dragon weakness, it isn't a hard concept to take. Steel weakness can be unfortunate but the only common steel it fears is Scizor since Metagross and Jirachi have lower usages and in Hail, Choice Specs Blizzard can 2 hit ko Metagross with Stealth Rock (damn powerful). Every other steel can't really handle it since most of even the defensive ones are 2 hit koed by Ice attacks which actually is not overlapping (Skarmory and Nattorei resist Dragon but are threatened by the powerful Ice Stab). It does wish for Flamethrower and Earthquake (why the heck does almost every Dragon learn Earthquake but a freaking heavy strong Ice Dragon not? Even the Latis learn Earthquake and they don't seem to weigh that much and levitate?).
They did interesting things this gen, making moves that had been pretty much availabe to everyone, less so. While I guess I understand Flamethrower (it is an ICE dragon) what is with other moves like Earthquake? Although the other Ubers (Reshiram and Zekrom) have other small movepools, this gen they design it so that you don't really need much more than your stab to beat people. Ice/Dragon does hit most types and other than Steel/Psychic or Steel/Bug, it covers everything else with Focus Blast. It still hits neutral and it's stabs are so strong that it can often two hit ko with them even resisted (with Specs and high power). It isn't the slowest Dragon and nothing can for the most part safely switch in. Plus, it is the ULTIMATE Lure and can bring Steels in like no other since nothing else really wants to take a stab. Plus it can go mix if necessary to destroy Blissey (in return to dying to Mach/Bullet Punchers named Breloom and Scizor).
It can survive Roopushin Mach Punch easily (from Guts boosted Mach Punch it takes 64.45-75.7 so only a 7.69% ohko after Stealth Rock) and ohko with Specs Meteor. It also survives Hitmontop Life Orb Mach Punch even with Stealth Rock unless it Fakes Out (which can only be done the first turn Hitmontops out). It can survive Breloom Mach Punch (without Stealth Rock damage) since it does 78.26-92.07%. And all these were min/min! That is how bulky it is. It can only be revenge killed by faster Draco Meteors and Close Combats so there is a slight purpose for Frozen World in that case against the Horses and Infernape and such on the switch in (although that is pretty dumb to switch them in since pretty much nothing safely switches in and can only revenge kill and these aren't the pokes who can switch in). With Wish (Blissey Wish especially) this thing can be INSANELY deadly since Wish would restore it's health, they're down their main counter, and are facing a fast and bulky dragon with insane power breathing down their neck. Most of the other OU dragons can't say the same thing or have same bulk (except Dragonite).
Why this only has 660 (maybe there was a miscalc when they were desgning it to be Uber like the other dragons?) is weird, if this thing had those extra 20 points of speed, this would be Uber without question. Still faster than most and most Sazandora don't run max speed and unless they're Choice Scarf or Choice Specs, they're not going to outrun so would be destroyed by Kyurem. You can't lump all dragons together as one as many have different purposes and Kyurem's is insane special attack power that is only resisted by one type and incredible bulk. It isn't nearly as weak as people here are making it out to be.
Again, min/min at full health survives Roopushin, Hitmontop, Breloom, Infernape, etc Mach Punches. It MIGHT survive Choice Band Scizor at full health (although it'd be useless later since the likelyhood of it switching in is small, but it will make good sacrifice fodder if needed to get somethin in then) if you're a gambler type. With invested defenses and Reflect, Kyurem will and threaten back. Kyurem can support the team with screens, wall breaking, and luring. It isn't "useless" or "terrible" like people are saying.
What do you guys think of Kyuuremu as anti-Shaymin S or anti-grass in general for rain teams?
In short, you just described every other Dragon's niche except Kyuremu's. Then you wonder why some say it's outclassed.
Wait what? Those were all different niches. You can't say something is outclassed when they serve different functions.
It has Specs, Frozen World, awesome resistances, heavy Bulk, Screens, ability to hit most types, is an insane lure for Steels to destroy with Magnezone/Shandera and even more so than Outragers, can go mixed, isn't that slow, can do an okay Scarf (especially in Blizzard), etc. Other than some Dragons (Sazandora/Latios for the most part but sometimes Dragonite for screens and bulk and Garchomp for Scarf) no other Dragon is really threatening to "outclass" it since they're different. Sazandora still has the Mach Punch weakness (even worse than Kyurem) and Latios is a monster that needs to be banned, despite "Pursuit" weakness because despite the obvious Draco Meteor, it is pretty tough to switch in on (same for Kyurem).
Which is done better by Lati@s as well as Sazandora
Mildly useful at best, seeing as it does barely any damage to common kyremu switches, you might as well just meteor/blizzard, also, speed boosting moves are better in most situations
It is Ice type, therefore, it does not have awesome resistances, or bulk, and trying to use screens on something with a bad defensive typing, average speed and moderate bulk is silly and also done better by Lati@s