Legends in "Standard Rules"

Vincents.Zydane

I just got cheated out of a win, because some guy DC'd 'cus of my use of Zapdos in a "standard rules" battle. Is this justified?

and so this is just not some random ass topic... are you for or against legends in battles?
 
I personally don't like using legends...however came to the depressing conclusion that my team would have a huge opening to dragons without Jirachi. I personally hate using legends even if they're not ubers, but its allowed. Not denying this at all.

No its not justified. Zapdos is an OU Pokemon, not an Uber. Therefore, using Zapdos in standard does not justify him DC'ing on you.

Unless of course it was a BL/UU battle, territories where Zapdos may not be used.

EDIT: NOT ALL LEGENDS ARE UBERS.

Suicune
Raikou
Entei
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Jirachi
Celebi
Phione [lol]
Regirock
Registeel
Regice
Azelf
Mesprit
Uxie
Cresselia
Heatran
Regigias
Shaymin

Those are not uber. Ubers are the remaining legends not mentioned.
 
yoko you forgot cresselia and heatran as acceptable non uber legends.

and i actually like to battle people and there legends on wifi,i play uu and when i beat a team running a few legends well it just makes me feel good.
 
Except for Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia and Shaymin (although it's disallowed on WiFi because you can't get it legit).
 
As long as they're not in the Uber Tier, they're allowed in the Standard Metagame. That's just how it is.

I'd like to try a metagame where all Legendaries were banned, but I'd imagine that if we did ban them all, certain Pokémon would become even more powerful and hard to counter...
 
Yoko Rains said:
I personally don't like using legends...however came to the depressing conclusion that my team would have a huge opening to dragons without Jirachi. I personally hate using legends even if they're not ubers, but its allowed. Not denying this at all.

No its not justified. Zapdos is an OU Pokemon, not an Uber. Therefore, using Zapdos in standard does not justify him DC'ing on you.

Unless of course it was a BL/UU battle, territories where Zapdos may not be used.

EDIT: NOT ALL LEGENDS ARE UBERS.

Suicune
Raikou
Entei
Articuno
 Zapdos
Moltres
Jirachi
Celebi
Phione [lol]
Regirock
Registeel
Regice

Those are not uber. Ubers are the remaining legends not mentioned.
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Bolded=BL, just to point out those aren't all OU
 
However, "No Legends" is an unheard of rule. For example, I dislike using legends, however, I wouldn't make a rule banning them.
 
But not everyone is you. "No legends" is a more common rule than you think. I don't mean here, obviously, but this "some guy" could be anyone. Some people ban all OU pokemon from "standard" battles.
 
I have no problem at all with legends, considering my teams almost always use Mesprit (who's BL at the moment). Shoddy could implement a "no legends" rule for silly people who think legends shouldn't be used; it's a similar conflict to the Arceus in ubers dilemma. Wifi you don't really have control over, though.
 
I personally hate using OU legends, but I'll be the first to admit that it's purely irrational, due mainly to the stigma that legends have with being overpowered. That, and getting destroyed by Celebi and Suicune whenever I played Netbattle. There are plenty of forums where legends are discouraged in OU, sometimes along with Blissey.
 
I hate running into legends on the battlefield unless I'm packing one myself (it's more fair), but as long as it's not an uber Pokemon, I don't have any real problems with it.

They're not bad at all, really... they just need a little love...
 
Orwell said:
I personally hate using OU legends, but I'll be the first to admit that it's purely irrational, due mainly to the stigma that legends have with being overpowered. That, and getting destroyed by Celebi and Suicune whenever I played Netbattle. There are plenty of forums where legends are discouraged in OU, sometimes along with Blissey.
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Legends are not overpowered. The only reason I don't like using them is due to the fact that they're called "legendary".

There are plenty of OU Pokemon with better stats than legendaries.
 
He's a noob, don't worry about it. Honestly, noobs need to stop bitching and moaning because I have a CM Jirachi. Big fucking deal. Just tell anybody that says "OMG LEGENDARY!!!!111" that most of the non-Uber ones aren't exactly centralizing the metagame with their power (Celebi use is wayyyy down this gen, Zapdos isn't the "best" Agility-passer (arguably) or sweeper, and many rely on Hidden Power just to get decent coverage). Also note that Blissey is "better" than a legendary (not that such arbitrary standards work, but whatever).
 
I can't stand noobs with "legend Clause". But still, it gives me a chance to own them with Wobba.
 
I wouldn't react like that, but yes I must agree with Chris [lol]. Legendary and Uber are two different things that shouldn't be compared with each other. There are legendary Pokemon outclassed by normal Pokemon.
 
I don't play battles against people with the No Legends clause, even if I'm not using legends myself. It just shows that they're not taking the game seriously, or that they don't know what they're talking about and it's bound to be a boring and useless battle. The main reason I battle is to learn and get better, not to get worse by battling sucky people.
 
It was unfair for him to DC he obviously used Zapdos as an escape goat so that he could pass the blame to you when infact he is in the wrong. I have no problems using legends(a couple of my favs are legends) in OU they are not overpowered despite what other's have said.
 
That's kind of the problem with 'standard rules' outside of smogon. Honestly, there has to be an official rulebook somewhere which people can link others to. Does Serebii mention uber clause anywhere? If so, then people can easily bring up uber clause in a serebii post without having to stretch the minds of their opponents by bringing them to smogon (which they'd probably object to.)

Obviously, I used to ban legends, and obviously, now I don't; so I don't see why not to use legends. I used to avoid them because I thought they were all overpowered, but most of them aren't, and some don't even see much use in the standard metagame. Now I just treat them as regular pokemon.

Anyhow, these things happen all the time. It's such a shame the majority of players are unexposed to the basics of competitive battling.
 
I really don't care either way about legends in wifi, so long as they aren't hacked or something. It's just best I think to make sure whatever rules you and your opponent are playing by are clear.
 
It's really sad when people do that. I have absolutely no problem about using or encountering any non-uber legendary Pokémon in a standard rules game.

It's also extremely sad when people try to ban Blissey. It's an open statement that they suck because they cannot acceptably deal with the most commonly used Pokémon in the game.
 
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