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Limp Bizkit
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Just a quick rate for now.
I wish id been there to see you streaking up the leaderboard oh well its (Nachtmusik btw). Shoddy is broken now arggggh.
At a quick glance a CB Tyranitar causes this team a lot of problems. It 2HKOs Skarmory and Suicune with Stone Edge whilst it can pursuit your soul revenge killer for Gyarados and Lucario without those you are basically screwed. I suggest you use a Swampert lead to take on this menace to your team. Imagine if Tyranitar had Dragon Dance. Swampert handles similar leads to bronzong but it can also take on Infernape and Heatran who can be problematic for this team as you've mentioned.
Other than that you seem to have most things covered pretty cool team i dont get why you are so paranoid about Suicune. When you have Rotom thats your best option to take it down. Swampert will help by EQing it substantially decresing Suicune health allowing Mamo to clean up.
Finally you may want to run this EV spread on TTar 216 Sp.Def and 40 Atk. this ensure you 2hko celebi without a curse a pokemon that could be very problematic to this team if it gets enough CMs under its belt and outspeeds Mamoswine like the one I run. It has HP fire and Grass Knot CM and recover. This is rare though so you should be ok. Really nice team and I would say good luck but you are first so there is little point.
Congrats.
I wish id been there to see you streaking up the leaderboard oh well its (Nachtmusik btw). Shoddy is broken now arggggh.
At a quick glance a CB Tyranitar causes this team a lot of problems. It 2HKOs Skarmory and Suicune with Stone Edge whilst it can pursuit your soul revenge killer for Gyarados and Lucario without those you are basically screwed. I suggest you use a Swampert lead to take on this menace to your team. Imagine if Tyranitar had Dragon Dance. Swampert handles similar leads to bronzong but it can also take on Infernape and Heatran who can be problematic for this team as you've mentioned.
Other than that you seem to have most things covered pretty cool team i dont get why you are so paranoid about Suicune. When you have Rotom thats your best option to take it down. Swampert will help by EQing it substantially decresing Suicune health allowing Mamo to clean up.
Finally you may want to run this EV spread on TTar 216 Sp.Def and 40 Atk. this ensure you 2hko celebi without a curse a pokemon that could be very problematic to this team if it gets enough CMs under its belt and outspeeds Mamoswine like the one I run. It has HP fire and Grass Knot CM and recover. This is rare though so you should be ok. Really nice team and I would say good luck but you are first so there is little point.
Congrats.
Adding to Kitsune's mention of Gyara / Luke weakness, I also see heavy MixApe weakness. NP Mixed Infernape with Grass Knot rips this team to shreds.
I recommend you make the following changes:
Change CurseTar to Scarf Latias. Latias can switch in to most Infernape with no problem, and can revenge kill aforementioned Gyarados and Lucario with ease. Tyranitar is just a waste of a spot on this team, in a metagame where Scizor is the most common pokemon, Tyranitar simply =/= a good Curse sweeper.
Second, Latias can run Trick Scarf just as well as Rotom, so Trick Scarf Rotom is no longer necessary. I recommend that you go with a dedicated bulky Rotom:
Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
-Discharge
-Shadow Ball
-Overheat
-Will-o-Wisp
It's a much more reliable Scizor and Lucario counter and better against Physical threats in general due to the fact that you won't need to have Tricked a Scarf earlier to wall easily.
To further help with the Lucario weakness, you could run Crodos over Crocune;
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpAtk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
Yeah, that's all I got right now
I recommend you make the following changes:
Change CurseTar to Scarf Latias. Latias can switch in to most Infernape with no problem, and can revenge kill aforementioned Gyarados and Lucario with ease. Tyranitar is just a waste of a spot on this team, in a metagame where Scizor is the most common pokemon, Tyranitar simply =/= a good Curse sweeper.
Second, Latias can run Trick Scarf just as well as Rotom, so Trick Scarf Rotom is no longer necessary. I recommend that you go with a dedicated bulky Rotom:
Rotom-H @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
-Discharge
-Shadow Ball
-Overheat
-Will-o-Wisp
It's a much more reliable Scizor and Lucario counter and better against Physical threats in general due to the fact that you won't need to have Tricked a Scarf earlier to wall easily.
To further help with the Lucario weakness, you could run Crodos over Crocune;
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpAtk)
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
Yeah, that's all I got right now
Like phil said when he was watching you ladder its a pretty weird team, you have crocune to pretty much handle stall after you have gotten rid of a potential celebi. Only problem I really see with the team is having a fast sweeper like nape being able to come in and do some heavy damage on your team if your rotom has died or tricked his scarf on to something else. Other then that pretty sweet team.
This is quite a solid team despite the weaknesses that you mentioned in the opening post. You are quite Mixmence weak (classic version) but you do have checks in Rotom and Mamoswine. In a similar fashion, Infernape gives you trouble, but you have ways to handle non-boosted versions (Rotom and Suicune).
Perhaps the biggest issue is Swords Dance Scizor, however. Since Rotom is the TrickScarf varient, it doesn't carry Overheat, I don't know if you will be able to beat it. Skarmory can only phaze it for so long before it can Swords Dance up and beat everything with Superpower / Bullet Punch. I don't particularly like Overheat on Rotom, but it could help this team over Rest. That, or Will-O-Wisp would be useful in some situations, because if you face a team of SD Lucario and CB Tyranitar, you should lose more often than not. I'd take Will-O-Wisp over Overheat personally.
Yeah, just keep Rotom alive or your team becomes too slow and bulky to keep up with the offensive threats of the metagame. I'd be really weary about Tricking the Scarf early-game as well, or you could have a lot of problems late-game. Congrats on reaching number one.
Perhaps the biggest issue is Swords Dance Scizor, however. Since Rotom is the TrickScarf varient, it doesn't carry Overheat, I don't know if you will be able to beat it. Skarmory can only phaze it for so long before it can Swords Dance up and beat everything with Superpower / Bullet Punch. I don't particularly like Overheat on Rotom, but it could help this team over Rest. That, or Will-O-Wisp would be useful in some situations, because if you face a team of SD Lucario and CB Tyranitar, you should lose more often than not. I'd take Will-O-Wisp over Overheat personally.
Yeah, just keep Rotom alive or your team becomes too slow and bulky to keep up with the offensive threats of the metagame. I'd be really weary about Tricking the Scarf early-game as well, or you could have a lot of problems late-game. Congrats on reaching number one.