Man, now I'm tempted to point my GBA at the microphone when recording Chatter. I got a really beat up Japanese copy of LeafGreen to use Pal Park with my import game, and sometimes it'll make a bizarre screech and distortion vomit sound when trying to load the game (just needs a q-tip swipe to fix).
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List of most common misconceptions
- Thread starter Mekkah
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About Chatot, I seriously had no idea about this, and I thought it's a 100% confusion, 60 power move. The reason for this is that Serebii lists the effect percentage for Chatter as --, like it does for, say, Hyper Voice. This differs from, say, Water Pulse, which has 60 power, 100% accuracy, and 20% Effect percentage (meaning that it confuses 20% of the time). On the other hand, I have never ever used a Chatot, since I find recording blurblings on a DS microphone just for the 'coolness' factor as a waste of time. However, I'm by no means saying that what everyone is saying above me is wrong.
Mekkah taught this to me, so I guess I'll mention it in his thread.
The majority of people interested in competitive pokemon hear the words, "special wall" "physical sweeper", and think, all pokemon must fit under one of these titles. If you have taken American High School biology, this may sound like an ecological niche, the certain role that an organism fills for the ecosystem. As Mekkah said, "This is a common misconception".
These niche titles are labels, not defining "laws". Mekkah's example stated, "You don't use Kangaskhan to use a physical sweeper, you use Kangaskhan to use Kangaskhan." Although this may seem Serebii-cheesy, every pokemon is different and should be used differently. My best example of this would probably be the Dragonite vs Salamence argument, where Salamence outdoes Dragonite in almost everything. With 135 base attack in contrast to Dragonite's 134, Salamence seems to outclass Dragonite by a slight margin. If you do use Dragonite, you need to use the things that makes it different from Salamence. Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Focus Punch, and Outrage all stand out. It also has better defensive stats. You take these advantages into mind when deciding to choose which pokemon to use.
So, if you decided to read this post, when building a team, don't think, "I'm going to need a Special Wall for Special Threats". But, much like Jumpman16's threat list, think, "I'm going to need a pokemon that can stop Azelf". Pokemon is not a general kind of game, Specific pokemon will pose a popular threat, and these days its hard to get a pokemon that generally beats a whole population(Blissey comes very close).
(On Chatot) I had a battle against my friend the other day, he hacked all his pokemon to have Chatter, and it was probably the most hilarious moment in pokemon for me when his Starmie said, "NOOB" right in front of my Blissey. :D
The majority of people interested in competitive pokemon hear the words, "special wall" "physical sweeper", and think, all pokemon must fit under one of these titles. If you have taken American High School biology, this may sound like an ecological niche, the certain role that an organism fills for the ecosystem. As Mekkah said, "This is a common misconception".
These niche titles are labels, not defining "laws". Mekkah's example stated, "You don't use Kangaskhan to use a physical sweeper, you use Kangaskhan to use Kangaskhan." Although this may seem Serebii-cheesy, every pokemon is different and should be used differently. My best example of this would probably be the Dragonite vs Salamence argument, where Salamence outdoes Dragonite in almost everything. With 135 base attack in contrast to Dragonite's 134, Salamence seems to outclass Dragonite by a slight margin. If you do use Dragonite, you need to use the things that makes it different from Salamence. Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Focus Punch, and Outrage all stand out. It also has better defensive stats. You take these advantages into mind when deciding to choose which pokemon to use.
So, if you decided to read this post, when building a team, don't think, "I'm going to need a Special Wall for Special Threats". But, much like Jumpman16's threat list, think, "I'm going to need a pokemon that can stop Azelf". Pokemon is not a general kind of game, Specific pokemon will pose a popular threat, and these days its hard to get a pokemon that generally beats a whole population(Blissey comes very close).
(On Chatot) I had a battle against my friend the other day, he hacked all his pokemon to have Chatter, and it was probably the most hilarious moment in pokemon for me when his Starmie said, "NOOB" right in front of my Blissey. :D
I tried using chatter multiple times on a amnesia slowbro, and it didn't even confuse once out of 4 attempts. I tried again with a different yell and it still failed to confuse.
Another common misconception during team building is Pokemon a can't have x move because Pokemon b has x move. An example of this is somebody not wanting to put Earthquake on, say, Gliscor because their Garchomp already has EQ.
lol Own Tempo. Unless you mean Oblivious, not Amnesia
Slowbro could have been Own Tempo though.
He did get confused once though after a few more tries.
The "actual answer" is of course Rain Dance and Thunder are fine together. Sunnybeam is much worse as [sandstorm pokemon] can switch in and get a free attack, especially if your name is Exeggutor. Tyranitar's special defense boost can even let it stay in and kill you instead of just switching out and ruining your sun.
That said, I hope this topic doesn't become "I don't like this strategy!! Don't use it!!", staying with more "factual" things would be nice.
This is the part where I say "And Eggy Leaf Storms the incoming CBTar", except I forgot about the SDef boost. My bad.
By Rain Dance and Thunder, I meant stuff like Rain Dance/Thunder Blissey or Lanturn, who have better things to do than waste a moveslot and get set up on. Kyogre, with auto-infinate rain, is another story.
Yes, most Exeggutors do have Sleep Powder, but Exeggutor's maximum Speed without a boosting nature is 209, and most people just run 198-200. Tyranitar's maximum Speed without a boosting nature is 221.
Good CBTar counter. Sunny Day, Leaf Storm the bitch, switch out, and with your main threat gone, switch back in later and sweep with SD Eggy. Though you're right, I think it would work better with just Leaf Storm. And that damn SDef boost. Time for damage calcs.
EDIT:
If it's switching into Leaf Storm, it shouldn't matter: Eggy (usually: 96-100%) OHKOs, sets up Sunny Day, and then has ~400 speed.
CSEggy actually sounds good on a Sunny Day team... *ponders*
We are so off topic.
EDIT2: I never run Sleep Powder on my SDEggys. ;/
EDIT:
If it's switching into Leaf Storm, it shouldn't matter: Eggy (usually: 96-100%) OHKOs, sets up Sunny Day, and then has ~400 speed.
CSEggy actually sounds good on a Sunny Day team... *ponders*
We are so off topic.
EDIT2: I never run Sleep Powder on my SDEggys. ;/
Cant believe this hasnt been covered.
Misconception: Tyranitar should be UBER! As Sandstream now boosts its Sp. DEF!!!
So...bring out a Fighting Type. Use Brick Break/Close Combat. Not like the thing's carry Aerial Ace, and it's also slow. Problem solved...
Misconception: Tyranitar should be UBER! As Sandstream now boosts its Sp. DEF!!!
So...bring out a Fighting Type. Use Brick Break/Close Combat. Not like the thing's carry Aerial Ace, and it's also slow. Problem solved...
And how do you propose to bring in said Fighting type? Heracross and Infernape are OHKOed by Stone Edge and 2HKOed by Crunch from CB Tyranitars, and Machamp doesn't like much of anything Tyranitar can offer either.
Not forgetting Rock Slide on normal types.
One of the more annoying misconception's I've seen is the noobs who think that lucario should only use moves that have "pulse" in them. Also, the people who think that all SE hits are OHKO's.
