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List with the most used Pokemon in the new metagame, based in the RTM Subforums
- Thread starter Sand Alchemist
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Garchomp, Staraptor, Electivire, Infernape, and Weavile recieved a lot of hype in this generation. For one they are all powerful physical sweepers that now require everybody to pack Weezing to Wisp them, though Infernape is a Fire Type(immune to WoW). Second item: They all have good speed, meaning that Thunder Wave does wonders to cut their speed back(Garchomp is a GND/DRG type and Electivire has Electric Engine so TWave doesnt work, but Stun Spore will). All make good CBers and so you must predict correctly.
I tried to shorten it as much as possible...
It surprises me that there are more Swamperts and Skarmorys, the most underrated OU pokes, than there are Tyranitars, the most overrated pokemon this gen has seen. Manaphy has seen VERY little play here and on Wifi, due to its small availability.
The guys I quoted either deserve more use or I'm surprised at where they are.
It's just that, pre-D/P, they received little to no hype. Meanwhile, everybody was all "OMG Tyranitar is Uber!!!!". And that was BEFORE we knew about the Sandstorm Sp.Def boost.
Porygon Z 64
Milotic 56
Tangrowth 43
Azelf 39
Breloom 34
Heatran 34
Slowbro 28
Alakazam 27
Aerodactyl 20
Suicune 20
Manaphy 17
Yanmega 16
Staraptor 15
Dugtrio 14
Medicham 14
Spiritomb 14
Drapion 13
Forretress 13
Kingdra 12
Claydol 11
Mamoswine 11
Machamp 10
Roserade 10
Torterra 10
Raikou 9
Porygon2 8
Mesprit 7
Ambipom 6
Rampardos 6
Houndoom 5
Regirock 5
Tauros 5
Frosslass 4
Uxie 4
Probopass 3
My thoughts (though you should probably take them with a grain of salt):
Surprised that it's not commonly used:
Ambipom-Do people not Baton Pass anymore?
Machamp-One would think that No Armor Machamp Dynamicpunch would be too attractive to pass up (I got beaten badly by one once).
Dugtrio-It takes no prediction to use! Why isn't it a common "beginner's Pokemon"?
Azelf-I guess people don't use it because of Pursuit, yet it's another hyped Pokemon.
Surprised that it's used at all:
Uxie-Cresselia hype, and general inferiority
Regigigas (two uses, on the main list): "Regigigas can't get it going due to its Slow Start!". That, and not many Pokemon stay in for 5 turns anyway.
I guess it's viewed as the "other Magnet Puller", and has good defensive stats (but a bad typing). I guess people think Lickilicky is a lower-tier Snorlax or something, but does Snorlax get Knock Off, Power Whip, Gyro Ball, and a STAB Explosion? :)
(You can tell I'm a shameless Lickilicky advocate)
Lol I posted two of the five Hariyama that are up there.
The number of Raikou, Tauros and Aerodactyl is surprisingly low to me. Although it probably deserves it, Rampardos has a lot less use than I would have expected given the hype it used to have. People seemed to have changed their minds rather quickly.
I find myself wondering if it's just wi-fi availability that's causing this, but Staraptor? It's one of the easiest pokemon to obtain and can fairly easily get a good moveset with level-up or TM moves alone. Considering how effective things like Dodrio and Tauros proved to be last gen, and how surprisingly easy it is to get even something like a Jirachi, I wouldn't chalk this all up to wi-fi by any means.
The number of Raikou, Tauros and Aerodactyl is surprisingly low to me. Although it probably deserves it, Rampardos has a lot less use than I would have expected given the hype it used to have. People seemed to have changed their minds rather quickly.
I find myself wondering if it's just wi-fi availability that's causing this, but Staraptor? It's one of the easiest pokemon to obtain and can fairly easily get a good moveset with level-up or TM moves alone. Considering how effective things like Dodrio and Tauros proved to be last gen, and how surprisingly easy it is to get even something like a Jirachi, I wouldn't chalk this all up to wi-fi by any means.
I wonder how many of the Jirachis on RMTs are courtesy of Jibaku's giveaway. :) I guess people overlook Staraptor because of other Flying types like Salamence or Gyarados.
I stick to WiFi Battle Tower but this surprised me as well, I've seen a ton of CB Aerodactyl and more than a couple Raikou. However the one that really jumped out at me was Gengar 107, I'd nominate him for the most seen pokemon in all of my games, I know people are scared of Pursuit Weavile but I definitely didn't expect him to be this low.
Probably for the same reason as the lack of Celebi users. They dont want to use a pokemon that is a debatable Uber...
yay at being one of the 4 Ninetales uses...
Its still early, early days. Of my trained up Pokes most are from Pal Park. The same is probably true for most of us, also on that note a lot of Gyara out there are probably the 252/252 variety and not bulky due to them being Pal Park too.
Also the staleness is probably partially due to human nature. People will stick to their "old reliable" pokes and favour pokes that follow patterns they are used to. People also tend to overlook things - its what people do, and it will take time and probably a fair bit of it until the metagame settles down and diversifies.
When a new metagame starts it usually takes a while for the inventiveness to begin and the old game to properly end. There is a lot going on in DP and to be honest its a lot to take in. I've been playing since US launch and I would say that I still haven't wrapped my head around it, and for the most part don't even know half of the changes in DP in terms of new moves for old Pokes and what many of the new Pokes are capable of.
At this stage panicking about a stale/broken metagame is silly, I myself have only raised up about 10 or so Pokes, and half of which are "old reliables" that have served me well in past generations.
A lot of people are also raising pokes like Feraligatr because of the boost the phys/spec split gave it. What this means is that raising a new DP pokes is an risk not a huge lot of people are willing to take yet, but as people get to better understand the changes DP brought to the table the metagame will become more diverse.
Also the staleness is probably partially due to human nature. People will stick to their "old reliable" pokes and favour pokes that follow patterns they are used to. People also tend to overlook things - its what people do, and it will take time and probably a fair bit of it until the metagame settles down and diversifies.
When a new metagame starts it usually takes a while for the inventiveness to begin and the old game to properly end. There is a lot going on in DP and to be honest its a lot to take in. I've been playing since US launch and I would say that I still haven't wrapped my head around it, and for the most part don't even know half of the changes in DP in terms of new moves for old Pokes and what many of the new Pokes are capable of.
At this stage panicking about a stale/broken metagame is silly, I myself have only raised up about 10 or so Pokes, and half of which are "old reliables" that have served me well in past generations.
A lot of people are also raising pokes like Feraligatr because of the boost the phys/spec split gave it. What this means is that raising a new DP pokes is an risk not a huge lot of people are willing to take yet, but as people get to better understand the changes DP brought to the table the metagame will become more diverse.
I´m going to update tomorrow or next week that. I can say now that I´ve seen a lot of Tangrowths, so wait to see its number increased.
How do you keep up with the dozens of RMTs posted every day? Is there a cutoff (i.e. this topic and all others beforehand)?
I have my trick. Last time 59 pages were cover. Now there´re 72 pages. Then, I have to cover only the 13 firsts pages. Is not very accurate, but is helpful.
I´ve finished the updating. My observations:
-Dusknoir, Rhyperior, Cresselia, Togekiss, Weavile, Gliscor and Infernape lost some use. I´ve been surprised seeing very few of this Pokemon (I´ve seen more Crobats than Weaviles).
-On the other hand, Swampert, Starmie, Gengar and Heracross are being very used.
-Lucario is dead. Now nobody is using it. On the other hand, Metagross is enjoying his golden moment.
-Jirachi is being very used. I don´t understand why it is very used and Celebi and Manaphy not. People says because they are event Pokemon, but Jirachi is an event Pokemon too.
-Tangrowh is enjoying a lot of use.
-Vaporeon is enjoying a lot of use too. I think this is one of the 10 Pokemon that I´ve seen more.
-Ninjask is being revived, and Scizor is being used too.
-A great rise of the population of Empoleons. It is getting more use.
-Kingdra, Venusaur, Houndoom, Claydol and Crobat are enjoying use.
-ZOMG, SHEDINJA CAMEO!
You can clone and get any poke you want,so that not the issue,some people feel the Celebi and manaphy are borderline uber if not uber,Jirachi does not get that vibe for some reason that is why he get more use.
Sand Alchemist,They are good amount of war stories too.Those could be added in the number of poke used too :)
Sand Alchemist,They are good amount of war stories too.Those could be added in the number of poke used too :)
Hurray for me being a Registeel user (sort of)
Celebi also came from the journey across america event