Hey you never know, Terapagos is a turtle. Turtle = Reptile, Reptile = Dragon.
**Less likely since the release of Walking Wake imo
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(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon
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Hey you never know, Terapagos is a turtle. Turtle = Reptile, Reptile = Dragon.
**Less likely since the release of Walking Wake imo
I wouldn't be shocked. Who knows what Ogrepon'll transform into.
FWIW and this might be an unpopular opinion I think this is one of the strongest generations of new designs we've had in a while. Part of that at least for me was their willingness to go in a different direction with some of the more prominent/special mons i.e. things like Gholdengo (don't shoot me) and Palafin. Kingambit and Annihilape are some of the best cross-gen evos we've ever gotten I think and even though the paradoxes weren't as conceptually creative as I might've liked from a design standpoint several of them are absolute top tier (and then the rest range from meh to pretty damn bad.)
The starters have mostly been a lost cause post-DP so I won't include those but on average I think this was a better looking gen than any of 6, 7, or 8. The best of this gen aren't quite as good as the best of Gen 5 but there's also nothing as egregious in this dex as Vanilluxe and Trubbish. For me at least it'll be very hard to top the back half of Gen 2 + the entirety of Gen 3.
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I liked Gen 8's dudes, but I do think Gen 9's (I still have quibbles with the paradoxes, but I at least recognize their concept) probably better. Just a lot of charming weirdos and Just Little Guys throughout the dex, and we hit a lot of pretty fun animals/concepts that tickle me
That said I don't think your opinion is that unpopular, even if you liked previous gens like I did, the new crop of guys seemed to really strike a nice chord with People on the whole this time around.
That said I don't think your opinion is that unpopular, even if you liked previous gens like I did, the new crop of guys seemed to really strike a nice chord with People on the whole this time around.
RSE were based on Gen 1-2 art. Mewtwo's proportions are based specifically on Blue artThe sprites from FRLG have aged so well as a group. Even now some of them remain the best in the series IMO. You get such a sense of personality from them that was very much so lost with the transition to the DS games. Not to mention that RSE outright botched many of the sprites for #1 - 251.
Stantler's white tail is based on GSC art, Haunter has 4 fingers, etc. FRLG literally only changed Teddiursa of all Gen 2 mons, and changed many Gen 1 mons (cept Mewtwo oddly) to no longer have old details. Not sure why Wartortle became blurple...
Unpopular opinion, RSE sprites are overhated. Shading/outlining is more detailed than FRLG and especially Gen 4/5. I can understand rough ones like Nidoqueen (sadly the last time it has fangs), Swampert, and Gyarados, but Suicune, Dragonite, Venusaur, and Charizard are among great ones. Hitmonlee shows its stretchy leg, Charizard's form, Nidoking being boss. And the color issue can be explained with this
Y'all got too used to the anime/remake designs
So it's come up here & there, but Pokemon Home (Mobile) doesn't just track a Pokedex, it actually has a Move and Ability Dex
Now, at the top here, let's make it clear: Filling these things out is a fool's errand. There's no reason to care about this. The only rewards for filling it in are some stickers and to get those stickers you only need a lot of Moves/Abilities, not all of them. The Dexes aren't even obvious they exist; some of you reading this are probably only now learning about it. You access it by hitting the green menu, clicking Pokedex and going to "Other" tab along the top. This is entirely separate from the Search Filter list, don't get them confused.
That said I am bobo the fool so here I am
Now I won't complain about ALL of Home's myriad little annoyances with both Moves & Abilities but I want to zero in on one set in particular.
The 4 "event only" moves that they added in gen 6, are Celebrate (does nothing but celebrate your birthday), Hold Back (the false swipe clone), Happy Hour (doubles money), and Hold Hands (does nothing). The moment you start looking into them is dire
Hold Back! Probably the one most people in the fandom have access to, as it had some fairly notable events.
Hold Hands! I bet you forgot this one even existed. While it was only given to 4 Pokemon, technically those Pokemon saw several reruns. Unfortunately with one exception, all of these were Japan-only serial code distributions. The one exceptoin was pretty handy, at least; it was the Fancy Pattern Vivillon that was available world wide.
Like with Hold Back, this move was never distributed in gen 8 and only had Japanese distributions (a Pikachu that got reran a few times) in Gen 7 . Hope you got that Vivillon.
Celebrate! The most infuriating to me because it is given to by far the most Pokemon, and in fact is being given away at this very moment, but obtaining it is still somehow annoying. The vast majority of the give aways are tied to the Pokemon Center in Japan and require going to the physical store or ordering from the Japanese website and have like sign up for newsletters and so on. Another chunk are given away at in-person Worlds events.
The thing that makes me kick myself the most is America did get a few of these (Best Buy serial codes for GMax Eevee & Pikachu, and a Sing Pikachu), in gen 8 even, and somehow my dumb ass managed to miss all of them. There was even one that ltierally had a universal serial code everyone could use 2 years ago for a Sing Pikachu with Celebrate.
Agh!!
Happy Hour! The only useful one, probably not coincidental it is also the one with the most widespread distribution. Gen 6 had a PGL Delibird anyone could get, Gen 7 had both the Snorlium-Z Munchlax for SM and the Own Tempo Rockruff for USUM, and now Gen 9 has the Hisuian Zoroark DLC-Purchase bonus. Gen 8, uh, didn't get this.
Anyway don't try to complete this (legitimately, anyway) because it may very well be impossible for you unless Gen 9 decides to have more widespread distributions.
Now, at the top here, let's make it clear: Filling these things out is a fool's errand. There's no reason to care about this. The only rewards for filling it in are some stickers and to get those stickers you only need a lot of Moves/Abilities, not all of them. The Dexes aren't even obvious they exist; some of you reading this are probably only now learning about it. You access it by hitting the green menu, clicking Pokedex and going to "Other" tab along the top. This is entirely separate from the Search Filter list, don't get them confused.
That said I am bobo the fool so here I am
Now I won't complain about ALL of Home's myriad little annoyances with both Moves & Abilities but I want to zero in on one set in particular.
The 4 "event only" moves that they added in gen 6, are Celebrate (does nothing but celebrate your birthday), Hold Back (the false swipe clone), Happy Hour (doubles money), and Hold Hands (does nothing). The moment you start looking into them is dire
Hold Back! Probably the one most people in the fandom have access to, as it had some fairly notable events.
- It was the first "gift" for using Bank, attached to a Celebi
- The Steven's Beldum wi-fi gift for ORAS' first 2 months
- The Unovan starters with their Hidden Abilities had two avenues of being obtained including a "common" code you could use. ORAS era
- The SNorlium-Z Munchlax for SM's first 2 months.
- A Serial code in Korea for a Mareep (ok this one doesn't count)
Hold Hands! I bet you forgot this one even existed. While it was only given to 4 Pokemon, technically those Pokemon saw several reruns. Unfortunately with one exception, all of these were Japan-only serial code distributions. The one exceptoin was pretty handy, at least; it was the Fancy Pattern Vivillon that was available world wide.
Like with Hold Back, this move was never distributed in gen 8 and only had Japanese distributions (a Pikachu that got reran a few times) in Gen 7 . Hope you got that Vivillon.
Celebrate! The most infuriating to me because it is given to by far the most Pokemon, and in fact is being given away at this very moment, but obtaining it is still somehow annoying. The vast majority of the give aways are tied to the Pokemon Center in Japan and require going to the physical store or ordering from the Japanese website and have like sign up for newsletters and so on. Another chunk are given away at in-person Worlds events.
The thing that makes me kick myself the most is America did get a few of these (Best Buy serial codes for GMax Eevee & Pikachu, and a Sing Pikachu), in gen 8 even, and somehow my dumb ass managed to miss all of them. There was even one that ltierally had a universal serial code everyone could use 2 years ago for a Sing Pikachu with Celebrate.
Agh!!
Happy Hour! The only useful one, probably not coincidental it is also the one with the most widespread distribution. Gen 6 had a PGL Delibird anyone could get, Gen 7 had both the Snorlium-Z Munchlax for SM and the Own Tempo Rockruff for USUM, and now Gen 9 has the Hisuian Zoroark DLC-Purchase bonus. Gen 8, uh, didn't get this.
Anyway don't try to complete this (legitimately, anyway) because it may very well be impossible for you unless Gen 9 decides to have more widespread distributions.
Zapdos's location in HGSS. Just... just put it on a Rock Climb cliff or something, smh. Can't stop picturing all the Power Plant employees arriving for work each morning, lining up and shuffling past it at the door.
I like to imagine it the same way you react to a Yellow Jacket sitting next to the door you need to go through. It's not angry at you but you're walking on egg shells not to set it off despite it probably not caring.
Also, not design itself, but the color palette should have changed slightly between the two games. RS were released prior to the SP, so they had to saturate the colors differently to account for lack of backlit screens. Probably explains Wartortle’s purple-ness.
Playing through Sword, and while I overall liked it (granted, coming in three years late after the QoL improvements does change a view), things that were annoying:
- While I really liked that Kubfu has to fight through the Tower of Two Fists on its own to get to the top, and it's meant to be this whole thing where it grows with every battle, I do wish the trainers on the first four floors stayed defeated if you lose to Mustard. It's not a major gripe, but just would save some time.
- Bea went to the Korrina school of Gym Leader-ing in that half her team (in both battles, but worse in the Champion Cup) is completely walled by Runerigus. Oh yeah, and Yamask is a 35% encounter on the route to get to her. The strategy in Wyndon was "use Will-o-Wisp and wait". The weird part is that she actually does get coverage moves if you do the Champion tournament again.
- Raihan's fight in the Champion Cup:
For a guy whose entire thing is "weather synergy", this just makes no sense. Why do you even have a Goodra when nothing else on your team can benefit from it and in fact it actively hurts three of your other team members? I know Garchomp was Dexited so it wouldn't be another member for the sand strat, but Appletun is native to the region and gets Solar Beam, it would fit his team strat so much better.
- Rose was a huge letdown. I picked Scorbunny. The only thing any of his team did to me was when I missed Pyro Ball against Perrserker, and I didn't even have to Dynamax to one-shot his Copperajah.
- While I really liked that Kubfu has to fight through the Tower of Two Fists on its own to get to the top, and it's meant to be this whole thing where it grows with every battle, I do wish the trainers on the first four floors stayed defeated if you lose to Mustard. It's not a major gripe, but just would save some time.
- Bea went to the Korrina school of Gym Leader-ing in that half her team (in both battles, but worse in the Champion Cup) is completely walled by Runerigus. Oh yeah, and Yamask is a 35% encounter on the route to get to her. The strategy in Wyndon was "use Will-o-Wisp and wait". The weird part is that she actually does get coverage moves if you do the Champion tournament again.
- Raihan's fight in the Champion Cup:
For a guy whose entire thing is "weather synergy", this just makes no sense. Why do you even have a Goodra when nothing else on your team can benefit from it and in fact it actively hurts three of your other team members? I know Garchomp was Dexited so it wouldn't be another member for the sand strat, but Appletun is native to the region and gets Solar Beam, it would fit his team strat so much better.
- Rose was a huge letdown. I picked Scorbunny. The only thing any of his team did to me was when I missed Pyro Ball against Perrserker, and I didn't even have to Dynamax to one-shot his Copperajah.
Allow me a generic "were you really expecting a challenge from a type specialist over which you have type advantage"?
Granted, nothing in that game is challenging regardless if you know type matchups... Or in any pokemon game really.
Edit: To clarify, I think the closest a Pokemon mainline has got to "you don't autowin if you have type advantage" is SV, since some of the various boss fights, expecially Team Star ones, have some pretty nasty tricks on their types (either negating weaknesses, having setup + supereffective coverage, or other combinations) which can easily catch you off guard if you're not overleveled.
But then again, there's a pretty high chance you *will* be overleveled there too either ways.
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I get how it hurts Torkoal and Turtonator but whats meant to be the third?
Powers up Water attacks against Flygon. Could be a bit of a stretch for that one though tbh.
I mean, by that logic rain actively hurts almost every Pokemon.
It's funny because Bulbapedia points to Rayquaza having a BST of 680 as a mark of its superiority over Groudon and Kyogre (which yes it almost certainly is) but it's like... 10 whole points higher? Big wow.
Even more ironic as both Groudon and Kyogre probably beat Ray one-on-one.
On another note: not generally one to advocate for more HM use, but FRLG's insistence on including Rock Smash and Waterfall despite hardly incorporating them into the world grates on me. Waterfall is literally required in one area in FRLG. Rock Smash is needed in a few areas, but mostly for hidden items rather than as a roadblock. Like come on, if you're going to make us use HMs at least justify their use, put some waterfalls in Cerulean Cave or something.
iirc hgss (and presumably gsc?) have a total of one mandatory use each for whirlpool (dragon's den), waterfall (tohjo falls), and rock climb (mt silver, which is even more annoying since you have to take a rock climb slave into the red fight).
(is whirlpool the most pointless hm of all time? got to be, surely)
Yeah and that cheating bastard doesn't even have a Rock Climb user on his team, disgusting
I was going to say Waterfall is mandatory in Mt Silver in GSC, isn't it, but no; it's not. Huh. Funny, I could have sworn there were more mandatory uses for Waterfall and Whirlpool in GSC but I guess not. Still though, even if FRLG included a few non-essential waterfalls (beyond that one on Two Island, which you can't even scale anyway the first time you go there) that'd make it feel more justified.
Eh... I hate Flash more. Defog at least has the justification of being an occasionally useful move in battle (that, and fog is legitimately incredibly annoying to traverse) but I literally never bother teaching anything Flash. I remember once traversing Rock Tunnel in Yellow with a poisoned Pikachu, worked beautifully since the poison animation lights up the screen each time.
Whirlpool at least has some minimal use in fights I guess.
true -- i forget that flash is sometimes an hm.
It was useless in Gen IV. It only removed Hazards on your Opponent's side of the field until Gen VI(Though to be fair it also got rid of screens too).
Speaking of Defog and annoying, in Gen VI it was a massive pain in the ass to get most Defog users. You had to teach the move in a Sinnoh game, trade them to a Johto game(because HM moves cannot be transferred from Gen IV to Gen V), transfer to Gen V, then Send to Bank.
Many people by then had already long transferred their best defog users to Gen V, 99.999% of them with the move deleted if it was ever on them at all, meaning they had to catch and/or breed a whole knew lineup of Pokemon in an 7 year old game, oftentime being forced to start a new save file to get Defog on stuff like Giratina.
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Oh my god I'd forgotten it did that. I was thinking it always removed hazards on both sides. Yeah wow that's... incredibly useless.
I think if they wanted to do the changing weather gimmick they should have focused on two. What two? Well, being Duraludon's dex says it doesn't like the Rain, I would have ditched Goodra and instead replaced it with a Noivern (which learns Solar Beam). Torkoal sets the sun for Turtonator & Noivern, Flygon than sets up Sandstorm for Duraludon.
To be honest though, while it's neat to see them make a notable trainer focused on weather, a Gym Leader no less (which in Galar means they're also as strong as an Elite Four member), the Dragon-type Specialist wasn't it. Infact, in general, I think a weather trainer wouldn't want to specialize on a specific Type just to have access to those "off Type" choices that directly or indirectly benefit from their weather of specialty (which is of course another thing, a weather trainer would likely focus on just one weather, or have a different team for each weather condition).
TBF, Defog had a few effects which came more into play in Double Battles since Defog hits only one target adjacent to the user.
If used on an opponent, the effects wanted there was Evasion decrease and removing Light Screen, Reflect, Safeguard, & Mist.
If used on your partner, you could remove Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Stealth Rock.
Of course, the obvious drawback to this is that, if you for some reason decided removing Screens was worth having Defog, I hope you weren't planning on setting up any hazards. And in a minor way, if you want to keep your side of the field clean hope you weren't planning on setting up Screens yourself.
Once they made Defog clear both sides of most field effects did it actually become worth building a strategy around.
Red was a time traveler from 2019 when you can access the PC from anywhere in the world (including the equivalent of on top of Mt. Fuji) or 2022 when he just had a really good Poketch?
Whirlpool/Cut/Rock Smash are all the same HM just with different in-battle effects. Any discussion of which of them is most annoyingly worthless is just splitting hairs, they all function purely as a "Do you have this" check. Even Flash and Defog are more interesting if only because they're not mandatory, which lets you make SOME decisions.
Waterfall would be on that list too except that in Gen 2/3 you could go down Waterfalls without the HM which is vaguely interesting for map design, even if IIRC they never actually used that for anything.
In the Whirl Islands in Gen 2, they had it set up so that you don’t need Waterfall to get to Lugia, since you get to the area leading to it on the top of a waterfall, then if you go down w/o Waterfall there’s a cave at the bottom that leads back out.
On the topic of Whirlpool, if Secret Techniques come back in a game with Whirlpool and Waterfall *cough Let’s Go Johto cough* I’d combine the two into one, probably named something like Sea Dash.
Ehhhh...
Groudon in Gen 3 kinda would have a bad time
Can't use Stab since...Flying is immune. Only SE move is Ancient Power and it's fairly weak. Rayquaza meanwhile...
Outspeeds, has Ice, Water, AND Grass coverage, Groudon has to pray for a high range crit for Ancient Power
Kyogre meanwhile...
Ice Beam alone off its SpA will kill the dwagon, even at max bulk Ray dies
Further proving that Kyogre is better than Groudon
"But wait, what about later gens?"
Well, Primal Groudon now has
-Precipace Blades...doing 0 cuz it's a ground move
-Thundermiss
-Stonemiss
...and now a weakness to EQ from Mega Ray
But hey, that's better than Gen 3
Primal Kyogre meanwhile doesn't care. Ice, ice, baby~
#TeamAquaSweep
Edit: realized Dragon resists electric, reworded Ancient Power talk. Thanks Antihaxxer!
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