Ubers Lunala

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this analysis isn't GP ready yet, Aberforth would you mind reading over it and cleaning it up a little, making sure every bullet is a complete sentence and reads like something you'd expect to see on-site, Pokemon / move / item names are properly capitalised and fully written out, stuff like that?
Perfect coverage
Focus Blast to help check Ekiller better
Max speed neutral nature is just enough to outspeed max speed Deo-A when choice scarf is taken into account.
Hazard setters like Pdon and Dialga are nice to break focus sashes on pokemon like Deoxys-A
Hey Focus Blast hits those Dark types and kills them! Well 70% of the time at least.
Max Spa because duh.
Will-o-Wisp/Defensive - acts as a psuedo-Lugia with its ability, and the ability to cripple physical attackers with Wisp, which Lugia doesn't get.
I don't mind if grammar isn't your strongest asset, that's what we're here for, but this is the kind of stuff we expect anyone to be able to fix themselves by reading through it and would appreciate not having to take care of; helps to get the analysis on-site quicker, too. You've been asked to pay more attention to this after the Kyogre analysis too, so I shouldn't be asking for anything too unreasonable.
 
Sorry about that, I hadn't posted in the GP queue for that very reason, and should have refrained from changing the tag or posting my previous post. I'm still unused to the bullet points being more than the informal basis of a full write up, and so some of the bullet points and the way they were phrased/formatted were specifically for my own personal amusement pre-write up. I've fixed the issues you've highlighted in that post, and will go over it with a thorough eye to correct simple stuff like that before posting in the GP queue.
 
Aberforth Do not sit on this, Lunala is one of the highest priority mons (new to SM + good, people will want to see this) and sitting in the not-even GP stage for whats coming up to 2 weeks will not be accepted.

Friday is your deadline, considering this was created on the 5th of December, I think this is as far as I can push it.

e: this has actually been re-added to the gp queue without me noticing so thats fine
 

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yeah, there's a reason it's been sitting in the GP queue
would you mind reading over it and cleaning it up a little, making sure every bullet is a complete sentence and reads like something you'd expect to see on-site, Pokemon / move / item names are properly capitalised and fully written out, stuff like that?
Perfect neutral coverage between STAB attacks and Focus Blast.
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Reliable Stealth Rock setters - Primal Groudon, Dialga.
A good fairy type like Fairyceus, Xerneas and Magearna, who can reliably deal with the likes of Arceus-Dark and Yveltal.
Fairly prediction reliant against teams with both a Dark and a Normal type.
Will-O-Wisp/Defensive - acts as a pseudo-Lugia with its ability
**Arceus-Dark**: Takes on Lunala well most of the time
I will GP this now since it's an important Pokemon, but if you continue to give lazy write-ups to GP, don't be surprised when no one wants to GP them.

GP 1/1


how to implement a GP check
[OVERVIEW]
  • Lunala has decent Speed and good Special Attack stats, making it an ideal wallbreaker.
  • It possesses good coverage between its STAB moves along with Coverage with good coverage options like in the form of Moonblast and Focus Blast.
  • Shadow Shield reduces the damage Lunala takes by half if Lunala is at full HP, and it is not affected by Mold Breaker abilities, which gives Lunala fantastic bulk at full HP.
  • While good offensively, Psychic / Ghost Ghost-Psychic is among the worst defensive typings in the game.
  • Due to the 4 times its 4x weakness and lack of a powerful STAB move to deal with them, Lunala hates Dark Type Dark-type Pokemon for their ability to do huge damage to it Lunala with ease while preventing it from spamming it's its STAB moves, although it does have the coverage options to beat most Dark Types Dark-types in certain situations.
  • Despite this, the immunities it does have enable it to be a good Choice Scarf Pokemon and have a good matchup vs versus offense.
  • Lunala suffers from its speed being just slower than some common threats, most noticeably Yveltal and Adamant Mega Lucario.
[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Moongeist Beam
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Ice Beam / Moonblast
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Shadow Shield
nature: Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 Spa SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Lunala has perfect neutral coverage between its STAB attacks and Focus Blast.
  • Moongeist Beam is strongest move Lunala has to use against most of the tier.
  • Psyshock hits on the physical defense side to cover specially defensive Pokemon.
  • Focus Blast provides coverage to hit Dark-types Dark Types, and also helps Lunala check Extreme Killer Arceus.
  • Ice Beam hits Salamence and Zygarde hard while also providing super effective coverage on Yveltal, allowing Lunala to check setup versions of the former two and hitting the latter hard.
  • Moonblast is an option in the last moveslot on move four to have a reliable way of hitting Dark Types Dark-types without fearing a miss, as well as giving Lunala the ability to 2HKO Mega Sableye, but all Dark Types Dark-types are hit hard by either Focus Blast or Ice Beam already.
Set Details
========
  • Maximum Speed investment with a neutral nature is just enough to outspeed maximum Speed Deoxys-Attack when considering the Choice Scarf. Timid reaches no important Speed benchmarks, with the only difference being Pheromosa, which Lunala can take on 1v1 one-on-one regardless.
  • Modest also grants Lunala a bit more power, turning various rolls into Lunala's favor favour, such as against Zygarde-Complete and Extreme Killer Arceus.
  • Choice Scarf is the item of choice to mitigate Lunala's otherwise poor matchup versus offense.
Usage Tips
========
  • This Lunala set is designed to be more effective versus offense, reliably revenge killing most Arceus formes after Stealth Rock, and also as well as outspeeding most Pokemon things found on offense without a boost.
  • Its natural bulk from Shadow Shield means very few offensive threats can OHKO it, even after setup, so Lunala can normally fire off at least two hits.
  • Against bulkier teams, this can be used to pressure offensive elements (not sure what elements means here); however, it won't be sweeping without a lot of support, so it can be played quite recklessly.
  • Avoid getting Lunala paralyzed as best you can, as Lunala loses all presence against offense, (RC) and becomes much easier to revenge kill when paralyzed.
  • If using Lunala being used to check Extreme Killer Arceus, bare bear in mind that +2 Shadow Claw will kill OHKO (or just KO? idk) Lunala through Shadow Shield, so it is important to put Extreme Killer Arceus in range of either Focus Blast or Psyshock before using Lunala to check it, or to have another Pokemon that can finish it off.
  • This thing Choice Scarf Lunala outspeeds anything you'll find on a Psychic Terrain team, can OHKO every offensive Psychic-type after Stealth Rocks Damage, and can normally at worst 3HKO everything else. Avoid status conditions and Lunala will have this thing has a fantastic matchup against these teams, especially with the Psychic Terrain boosting Lunala's Psyshock too.
Team Options
========
  • Defog or Rapid Spin is highly appreciated. Obvious examples of users are Excadrill and Cloyster for HO hyper offense teams and Giratina-O or support Arceus formes for balance teams.
  • Hazard setters like Primal Groudon and Dialga are good teammates to rack up hazard damage on potential Lunala checks, as well as breaking potential Focus Sashes on Pokemon like Deoxys-Attack, while also breaking opposing Lunala's Shadow Shield and Lugia's Multiscale.
  • Strong wallbreakers like Mega Lucario are nice support for Choice Scarf Lunala due to it's its relatively poor matchup against slow bulky teams.
  • Mega Lucario also comes in on some Dark-type Pokemon without fearing too much, and it can even gain the an Attack boost through Justified on hits like Arceus-Dark's Judgment if it comes in before Mega Evolving.
[SET]
name: Z-Hypnosis Sweeper
move 1: Hypnosis
move 2: Moongeist Beam
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Calm Mind
item: Psychium Z
ability: Shadow Shield
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves
========
  • Z-Hypnosis gives a +1 boost to Speed and can let Lunala put a check to sleep.
  • Moongeist Beam is the most solid STAB option Lunala gets, hitting a lot of things Pokemon neutrally.
  • Focus Blast gives very good coverage with Moongeist Beam, hitting everything at least neutrally. It is mandatory to hit Extreme Killer Arceus and Dark-type Pokemon.
  • Calm Mind boosts Lunala's damage output and can allow it to sweep through unprepared teams.
Set Details
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  • Maximum Speed with a Modest nature gives Lunala has the highest damage output, but Timid can be used to outspeed Pokemon like Rayquaza, (RC) and Speed tie with Solgaleo before setting up, allowing Lunala to be potentially more effective throughout a game.
  • Maximum Special Attack is used to maximize Lunala's wallbreaking prowess.
  • Psychium Z allows Lunala to gain a +1 boost in Speed while putting a check to sleep, helping it allowing for Lunala to set up with Calm Mind.
  • A third attack can be used over Calm Mind if wanted, but three attacks Lunala struggles to break notable walls like support Arceus formes unless that Arceus is weak to one of Lunala's moves, and Calm Mind gives Lunala more general utility throughout the game.
Usage Tips
========
  • With Z-Hypnosis only giving +1 Speed once per on one occasion in a battle, do not try to set up too soon because you will not get a second opportunity.
  • Calm Mind should mostly be used on the free turn when Lunala has slept put one of its checks to sleep.
  • Consider whether Calm Mind is necessary before clicking it against on the sleeping Pokemon: if you Lunala can 2HKO a check without Calm Mind a boost and the boost Calm Mind does not turn that 2HKO into an OHKO, it might be better to just attack.
  • Yveltal is a big nuisance, (RC) and should ideally be the target of the Z-Hypnosis.
  • Against bulkier teams, the Speed boost from Z-Hypnosis isn't so important, so Lunala can be played more liberally.
  • If there is an Alolan Muk on the opponent's team, try to weaken it with other members of the team before trying to sweep with Lunala, as Alolan Muk counters Lunala completely.
Team Options
========
  • Paralysis, especially from the likes of Primal Groudon and Klefki, which can help deal with many of Lunala's checks like Arceus-Dark and Yveltal (in the case of the former) and slowing down otherwise offensive checks to Lunala (in the case of the latter). (does this mean paralysis from Pdon deals with Arceus-Dark/Yveltal, but paralysis from Klefki does not do those things? and paralysis from Klefki slows down offensive checks but paralysis from Pdon does not? kinda confused what this all means)
  • Defog or Rapid Spin is appreciated to preserve Shadow Shield; examples include Excadrill and Cloyster for HO hyper offense teams, (RC) and Giratina-O or support Arceus for balance teams.
  • Reliable Stealth Rock setters - such as Primal Groudon, (RC) and Dialga are good teammates.
  • A good Fairy-type like Arceus-Fairy Fairyceus, Xerneas, or and Magearna, who can reliably deal with the likes of Arceus-Dark and Yveltal.
  • Xerneas is also good for its ability to wear down common checks for it(self?) and Lunala.
[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Moongeist Beam
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Focus Blast
move 4: Ice Beam / Thunder
item: Choice Specs
ability: Shadow Shield
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Moves
========
  • Psyshock and Moongeist Beam are powerful STAB options with good dual coverage, only missing out on Dark-types.
  • Focus Blast provides perfect coverage with Lunala's STAB moves, hitting Pokemon like Arceus-Dark and Tyranitar harder than anything else.
  • Ice Beam OHKOes Salamence and maximum HP Zygarde, allowing Lunala to check them well. It also hits Yveltal very hard.
  • Thunder hits all of Kyogre, Yveltal, and Ho-Oh in one slot and is useful coverage to hit all of them, but loses out on OHKOing Zygarde, and the mentioned Pokemon all get hit hard by one of Lunala's other moves anyway.
Set Details
========
  • Choice Specs turns Lunala into a fierce wallbreaker, with perfect three-move coverage and Ice Beam to give it a bit more of a defensive niche.
  • Maximum Speed investment with a Timid nature is used to Speed tie with other Lunala and Solgaleo, outspeed neutral-natured speed natured Yveltal, Rayquaza, and most support Arceus formes. Modest Lunala misses out on all of these and the extra power isn't worth the mitigation of the matchup versus balance teams. (do you mean that Lunala does worse against balance if Modest? mitigation is sort of a weird word here so maybe change it to "isn't worth the worse matchup versus balance teams")
  • Maximum Special Attack investment is used to maximize Lunala's damage output.
Usage Tips
========
  • This set is fairly prediction reliant against teams with both a Dark- and a Normal-type. You click Moongeist Beam against anything else, but depending on the Normal-type, you might want to click Psyshock instead of Focus Blast if it is incredibly specially defensive, and Yveltal, the best Dark-type thus far, fears Focus Blast a lot less than Ice Beam.
  • Be mindful of Focus Blast's accuracy problems.
  • Vs Against offense teams without Yveltal, clicking Moongeist Beam is not advisable until you know what Arceus set it is. You don't want to give Extreme Killer Arceus free setup while it is also faster than you Lunala so you cannot revenge kill it.
Team Options
========
  • Paralysis turns a lot of Lunala's checks into fodder. The one exception to this is Yveltal with Sucker Punch, but otherwise, making fast things foes slow helps Lunala a lot.
  • Hazards are good to pick up KOs, so rocks with Stealth Rock from Primal Groudon or Dialga and Spikes from Klefki or Ferrothorn are good.
  • Fairy-types are nice to punish Dark-types, so Xerneas and Arceus-Fairy are good teammates. Klefki is also okay as a teammate, but not for its ability to take on Dark-types, which it cannot do well anymore.
  • Special attackers like Xerneas and Arceus-Fairy both also appreciate Lunala's ability to break opposing special walls.
  • Healing Wish from Shaymin-Sky, if you can fit it, restores Lunala's Shadow Shield, frees it from status, and gives it gets a second chance to break stuff. Shaymin-Sky is very difficult to fit on a team, though.
  • Hazard removal is appreciated, but less so here than on the other two sets. This is meant to be a powerful breaker that can break down bulky teams, so it will not need to take as many hits to be useful.
[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • A defensive set with Will-O-Wisp/Defensive - acts as a pseudo-Lugia with its ability, (RC) and can the ability to cripple physical attackers with a burn Will-O-Wisp, which Lugia can't doesn't get. However, then Lunala is But it's also an offensive Pokemon playing at a defensive role and is generally inferior to Pokemon like Lugia and support Arceus formes, which are incredibly bulky even without being at full HP and also give other options to a team, namely Defog and Whirlwind ie: defog and whirlwind.
  • Ghostinium Ghostium Z can be used with a Calm Mind set to have a high-powered Ghost-type move that will do a huge amount of damage to anything that doesn't resist it, which is the majority of the tier, but this doesn't help Lunala beat many of it's its specific checks.
  • Lum Berry could also be used on a Calm Mind set to avoid status if the Z-Crystal Z Move is already used on the team.
  • Fightinium Z on the Calm Mind set gives Lunala - Having a perfectly accurate Focus Blast to hit Arceus-Dark with on the Calm Mind set that and has a good chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock damage is tempting, but given that Lunala will almost always be outsped by Arceus-Dark, this it isn't as good.
Checks and Counters
===================

**Arceus-Dark**: Arceus-Dark takes on Lunala well most of the time, although Choice Scarf Lunala can 2HKO it on the switch and the Z-Hypnosis set can do the same after the +1 boost in Speed, taking advantage of the turns Arceus-Dark could be asleep.

**Yveltal**: Yveltal easily OHKOes Lunala with almost any Dark-type move unless Lunala has set up a Calm Mind and is also in has Shadow Shield intact, and it takes minimal investment for its Sucker Punch to OHKO Lunala. It can also Roost off most of the damage it takes from Ice Beam, (RC) and then fire off powerful Dark-type moves.

**Alolan Muk**: Alolan Muk can take any attack Lunala goes for easily and can go for STAB Pursuit, doing a large chunk to Lunala if it switches out, or Knock Off, which has a good chance to OHKO Lunala after Stealth Rock damage.

**Tyranitar**: If Lunala is locked into a move other than Focus Blast on the Choice Scarf or Choice Specs sets, Tyranitar can Pursuit trap it Lunala, and. It forces Lunala to be played far more conservatively throughout the rest of the game as well.

**Arceus-Ghost**: Shadow Shield doesn't stop Shadow Force from OHKOing. However, Choice Scarf Lunala does not fear Arceus-Ghost, and Arceus-Ghost does not stop +1 Speed Lunala either.

**Entry Hazards**: Without Shadow Shield, Lunala is not nearly so bulky, (RC) and is far easier to revenge kill.

**Mega Gengar**: Mega Gengar OHKOes Lunala after Shadow Shield is broken. While it can't trap Lunala due to Lunala being a Ghost-type, it is still capable of revenge killing non-Choice Scarf Lunala.

**Extreme Killer Arceus**: Extreme Killer Arceus outspeeds the Choice Specs and Z-Hypnosis sets, can set up on Choice Specs Lunala if it's locked into the wrong move, can take any one hit from the Choice Scarf set, and normally has Ghost-type coverage that which can do massive damage to Lunala.

**Support Arceus Formes**: Lunala does not have the power to break support Arceus formes without being crippled by Toxic at the same time unless it opts for the Choice Specs set, which leaves it locked into Moongeist Beam with only 8 PP, (RC) and only doing a maximum net damage of 8% per turn as they spam Recover. They can't switch in, though, unless they are heavily speed invested in Speed.


for some more clarification: I truly do not expect writers to know that it's Dark-type, not Dark Type; I understand if they write rocks instead of Stealth Rock, I'm fine with them not knowing how to use semicolons. We are very understanding of new writers, who don't know the C&C process yet, and of non-native English speakers, who really try the best they can with the English language, and even of native English speakers who just aren't that great at writing.
But you should be able to capitalize pokemon, moongeist beam, choice scarf by yourself. This takes five minutes of your time. You've clearly put in the effort to get your analysis to this stage, so you can spend a couple more minutes proofreading it yourself before sending it to GP. Thanks.
 
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This has now been uploaded, but I'd like to note to the GP team that Aberforth wasn't actually aware of the spelling and grammar standards thread, and it was not linked to him in the post where GP concerns were raised for him to compare it to, leading to frustration for both parties involved.
 

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