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Mafia 101 NOC: game over (mafia win)

If someone thinks it makes sense for scum to go and say day1 "I'm fine with lynching town" instead of laying low, reacting to posts and making "slight scum leans" I sure hope they believe that me flipping town will give them a better idea of who to lynch, in which case they should go ahead and lynch me if I'm their best shot, otherwise they'll end up with 2 town deaths and not a clue what to do day2. A wagon has started on me after going for hitmonleet and Martin didn't waste time voting me, which bothered me for a sec but thinking back I doubt scum would want to risk being called out for my lynch so I'm townreading him rn. If hitmonleet is lynched and flips scum however that's another story.

Also texas post's felt off to me. For reasons I have already stated I'd rather lynch hitmonleet but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote Whydon.
 
Former Hope said:
So, lynching two people D1 is an awful idea. That said, I would also never expect a mafia person to say it so ironically I give haruno a slight town read for it.

Topic for discussion: Peeking.

Now I don't claim to be an expert on it, but one thing I've seen in a past smogon NOC was a strategy known as peeking where each day several people would post cop results. This allowed the cop to post the results of their inspection while also having anonymousity because of the other people posting. Meaning that if the cop died before they claimed, they weren't entirely useless. (Ie, the cop would post their real results while 2-3 other people who aren't cops would also post their phoney results).

Again, never really tried it before personally. But in this set up it might be a good bet. Thoughts?
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I don't know about that, it'll create more problems than it answers. It allows Mafia to narrow down the cop, and what if someone claims they got scum on someone? It might work, but it's more likely that it won't. Still, it does sound like an interesting idea, despite all of that.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Alright catch up time.

I'm not buying the Haruno target on Whydon up to post 77, I don't think the reasoning you target him for (creating a biggie wagon) holds since that wagon had pretty much died off at that point in time and nothing he's said up to post 77 jumps out as scummy to me. That being said, reads lists without adding any substantial pressure is suspect in and of itself so Whydon's follow up post doesn't look great at 81.

As for the double lynch/single lynch argument...it's a tough call and Haruno does make a compelling argument about time pressures given by scum opportunities to find out the cop but I'm not sure it's the best idea on day 1, feels to me like something better implemented on day 2. I think at this point we have relatively little to go on to the point that unless we're confident we have at least one scum among two targets we should avoid the option, whereas on day 2 with a flip and a cop influence the odds of catching a scum in a double lynch are much more likely. I'm not opposed to the double lynch but I think we'd need to be cautious with it given the risk and have to be mostly communally agreed on targets that both are good shots at scum.

On that note, Haruno what made you change your mind between 73 and 90 to make Moody being a lynch you can almost buy to being a "dumb as fuck" lynch? He's still responsible for some very scummy behaviour that he hasn't accounted for and would a lynch i'm comfortable with. Unless you mean you think Whydon is 100% a better one? Although even then you could advocate for the double lynch. Not sure where you're going here with that flip flop.

Former Hope's post reinforces the earlier town oriented impression on the surface with his seemingly town oriented post but I'm suspicious. It's odd timing to bring a tangential topic up for discussion in the middle of an undecided lynch and could be used to deflect attention away from a wagon shift. Minor FoS here.

King is almost worth policy lynching given he's added nothing but random votes to the entirety of the day but that's better saved for d2 at best given our better alternatives right now.

Mithril isn't lock town atm but definitely a hard town read right now for me

At the moment I'm comfortable with my vote on MoodyCloud given my earlier suspicion of them not being allayed, Whydon I can sort of buy but I'm not really seeing anything too inherently scummy to their play
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because seeing as how you all are going for either a whydon gets off free or we kill whydon + moody. I know what I'd prefer! Getting rid of the obvious scum whydon. Hitmonleet ur next dw.
Mithril said:
I don't get this post you were fine with lunch in both whydon and moody all of 10 posts ago and now the moody lynch is retarded. This bothers me.

After reading back through, I'm a little more confident in the moody vote and am pretty unsure between them and whydon, although admittedly whydon has been better after going after biggie (and I'll not that I feel Martin isn't since he refused this after it had dissipated).

I'm going to go with moody for now though. Seems more likely scum than. E, but I am still very wary of whydon, and am now keeping an eye on Haruno and Martin. And if King would post something useful that would be great.

Vote moodycloud
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read response to texas.
 
Hitmonleet said:
I don't know about that, it'll create more problems than it answers. It allows Mafia to narrow down the cop, and what if someone claims they got scum on someone? It might work, but it's more likely that it won't. Still, it does sound like an interesting idea, despite all of that.
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Mafia are narrowing down the cop regardless. I don't give enough fucks about mafia "figuring" out who town is because cop is honestly nonconsequential in this set up and you constantly trying to make actions to supposedly "protect" the cop is damning as all hell. That and you constantly trying to get cop to be obvious to town (and subsequently mafia) is dumb as fuck.
 
Vote count
Former Hope (1) (king_)
Whydon (1) (haruno)
Hitmonleet (2) (moodycloud, Blank Slate2356)
Moodycloud (4) (Martin_, Texas Cloverleaf, hitmonleet, Mithril)

Deadline is in 100~ minutes if my clock is right
 
Oh wow, okay. DL is a lot quicker than I thought.

Okay, I do agree with what Haruno/Mithril said about peeking, so let's not do it. Also, both of their arguments were really strongly protown so I'm currently town reading both.
 
After quickly reviewing the thread

Scum reads on: Whydon

Reason:
Whydon said:
So because I pointed out how I felt about Biggie I'm trying to defend scumbuddy? You could say that about anyone here who isn't voting with the majority.

I'm going to unvote because after Biggie's recent post I'm pretty convinced that they just weren't aware of RVS and were trying to contribute. The way they said "can we stop voting king_ and just vote for hitmonleet?" made it sound like they were trying to end RVS but now I'm aware they didn't know what that was so I don't think I have much of a reason to suspect them anymore.
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Just too many really weird things like this. Like, you scumread someone because you thought they were trying to end RVS? wut. Other than that, their posts seemed to aimed at gaining town points by encouraging activity and "oh we shouldn't double lynch" while having weird flip flops on Biggie for no apparent reason.

So... Lynch Biggie

Honestly, reading through Moody's posts, my gut read says town as I didn't see anything that stood out to me as scummy.
 
Oh, also King_ has a scumread from me on him as well. He posts to encourage activity...then nothing. Bandwagons a bit on Whydon (interesting...) and then disappears. Then randomly comes back and for no explanation votes for Mithril and then suddenly unvotes Mith and votes me....just what
 
Former Hope said:
Just too many really weird things like this. Like, you scumread someone because you thought they were trying to end RVS? wut. Other than that, their posts seemed to aimed at gaining town points by encouraging activity and "oh we shouldn't double lynch" while having weird flip flops on Biggie for no apparent reason.
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So you suspect me because I'm trying to keep town in an advantageous position? Okay...o_o
 
Encouraging activity is something that, while benefits town, anyone can do without giving too much information, especially to seem town. However, when looking at your other activity such as posts, voting etc, you seem far more suspicious. Such as the 180 on Biggie after some pressure and people seeing you as scummy for it and then giving some silly reason for the 180.
 
Former Hope said:
After quickly reviewing the thread

Scum reads on: Whydon

Reason:


Just too many really weird things like this. Like, you scumread someone because you thought they were trying to end RVS? wut. Other than that, their posts seemed to aimed at gaining town points by encouraging activity and "oh we shouldn't double lynch" while having weird flip flops on Biggie for no apparent reason.

So... Lynch Biggie

Honestly, reading through Moody's posts, my gut read says town as I didn't see anything that stood out to me as scummy.
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I'm really confused. How did a post pointing out whydon is suspicious end with a bite for biggie, am I missing something? Can you explain?
 
Former Hope said:
Want to give a reasoning instead of a bunch of really vague statements?
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Mithril said:
Can you please give some information to discuss instead of uselessly just stating names. I done even mind you calling me as mafia if it means you make coherent posts, but I need something to discuss.
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Well a king lynch would unfortunately give us nothing because otherwise I'd probably be voting you for just being completely useless. He's gone the whole day and done nothing other than just throwing votes on people with no further information. I still prefer a moody vote at this point, but could probably be convinced into a whydon vote. Don't see myself voting for much else today.

If King continues this crap tomorrow, my vote is just going to stay on him for the entirety of day 2. He's better than this and really should not be allowed to walk through days without doing anything.
 
Martin I see you viewing thread, how about you join discussion instead of spectating til deadline with your vote on me?

I'm perplexed that more experienced players such as Mithril could actually believe that taking a radical stance would be a scum move when all they have to do is stay in the background and feign scumhunting, and the way the people lynching me are ignoring my posts as deadline draws near is suspicious to say the least. If I'm lynched town should make sure to held the people passively waiting for deadline accountable.
 
i have had this kinda running in the back while doing other things mb

I'm still trying to gather my thoughts. I'm not happy with king at all and his seeming lack of any kind of meaningful contribution while outright refusing to state his reasoning is kinda raising a red flag for me. That said, it feels way too convenient and obvious and I highly doubt that mafia would be so blatant about it. That said, it's King so he's guaranteed to be mafia right? In all seriousness though I also have a town read on Whydon; he isn't saying anything that screams scum to me and quite frankly I agree with him that double lynching on night 1 isn't a good idea. I don't like the way Haruno's sticking to small targets like Whydon and it looks kinda like he's targetting him because he doesn't agree with him which just doesn't sit that well with me.

I don't honestly know who I want to vote for. Like, I'm not ignoring your posts its just that I don't really know who I'd change to at this stage, and I would rather maximise the chance to avoid a double lynch.
 
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