Magic: The Gathering

I played this game for so long... before switching to Yu-Gi-Oh for what amounts to basically just a greater affinity for 'that' aesthetic style and a preference for Japanese pop-culture over western fantasy culture.

MTG always will be a great game; glad to see this thread :)

sorry but yugioh sucks post pharaonic guardian V:

I am really excited for Innistrad! But, I feel like, as a graveyard block, it will probably be broken. It looks like they are already gravitating towards some mully effects from M12, especially with that new fake ancestral recall and the mullwaker jace and reprinted zombie infestation. I'm especially hoping Sorin gets a cool new walker in the second set, since he's my favorite planeswalker flavor-wise and his last guy was too much buck, not enough bang.
 
i'm really excited for innistrad because i'm a sucker for tribal decks :P

also with flashback coming back maybe they'll reprint mystical teachings!
 
All I'm excited for is new Liliana in Innistrad. And possibly corrupted Garruk. In any case, I'm hoping they start unleashing more multicolored cards.
 
i'm really excited for innistrad because i'm a sucker for tribal decks :P

also with flashback coming back maybe they'll reprint mystical teachings!

MaRo has confirmed Innistrad is not a tribal set, it just has a set of tribes.
 
I'm excited for Innistrad because I bet my Savra recursion EDH deck will get a lot of new toys :D.

Obviously Flashback is coming back, but I'm pretty sure we can count out Threshold. It was a "bad mechanic" by WotC's point of view because it pushed players to do something they didn't want to do, that being filling their graveyards with stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the set with Delve (see: Tombstalker), but I have a feeling Gravestorm will not be showing its face. It's too similar to Storm, which is widely considered one of the most broken mechanics made. I don't know if they want to go down that road again.

Don't quote me on any of this though.

Plus, more people should join us on IRC. We need more people to play Archenemy EDH with us (and more people with scheme decks), because I feel like people are resenting being clobbered by my Savra deck....
 
All I'm excited for is new Liliana in Innistrad. And possibly corrupted Garruk. In any case, I'm hoping they start unleashing more multicolored cards.
mostly this, but i'd like to know where they're going with the graveyard stuff since they're going to have to make it reasonably difficult to activate visions of beyond. if dredge comes back...
 
I wanna see some delve, it seems like a balanced mechanic. I also wanna see this Liliana (she was my favorite of the original walkers, and I want her strong):

2BB

+1: Return target Card in your Graveyard to your Hand.

-1: Each Player sacrifices a Creature

+0: Each Opponent Discards a Card at Random from their hand.

-5: Target Player Discards their hand, you draw cards equal to the number of cards discarded this way

3 loyalty counters when you comes into play.
 
That design for Liliana actually seems fairly balanced, but the 0 would be pretty powerful against a control or combo deck though. As for Gravestorm, I feel that it is signficantly more difficult for a large gravestorm to be built than a large storm, as evidenced by Conley Wood's Gravestorm deck in Vintage, which would generally only hit 3-4 storm, and almost all of that was from wastelands and strip mines.
 
I'm kind of over the "Liliana as Black Jace" fantasies - they're always 4 abilities, 2BB cost, and follow the same formula of +loyalty ability that's okay, -1 ability to kill things/protect self, -5 for something sickeningly powerful.

The Liliana posted above isn't that bad, although the +1 would have to be replaced, it's too broken.

I like the idea of a reanimation-based Liliana, along the lines of:

Liliana of the Veil - 1BBB
Planeswalker - Liliana
+2: Each player discards a card.
-3: Put target creature card in a graveyard to the battlefield under your control.
-9: You gain an emblem that says "Skip your draw step. At the beginning of your upkeep, you may pay X life. If you do draw X cards."
{3}

I like that it acts as a 1BBB Zombify which seems fairly costed, each ability relates to the other in that the plus ability feeds both the reanimation and mirrors the card drawing of the ultimate. The emblem is just based on an iconic black card, but it could be almost any iconic black card and still work.

I also like the idea of an 'Aggro' planeswalker in black that has a big loyalty boosting ability on a low casting cost, but the + ability only hurts you, no benefit.

e.g.:
Sorin on the Hunt - 1BB
Planeswalker - Sorin
+3: You lose 4 life.
-1: Something, possibly a removal-type spell.
-10: Target player gains an emblem that says "At the beginning of your upkeep, lose half your life rounded up."
{1}

As far as Innistrad Mechanics go, I think you're right about Threshhold not coming back (but you're slightly off about the reason; Threshhold didn't make people do things that didn't happen naturally, so much as it made them keep track of something they normally don't have to, because it can flicker things on and off constantly rather than triggering once when the card is cast, like Bloodthirst, so it can be marked and then ignored). I'd like to see Delve too, but I think it might be difficult to power-balance.
 
I'm really banking on a B/G "Corrupted Garruk" walker. (See the Novels for why), but considering Garruk, Primal Hunter was recently released in M12, this will either be really unlikely, or a bad move for WotC.
One really interesting thing I'd like to see is more multicolored planeswalkers, except opposed colors as opposed to allied. We've had Venser, Sarkhan, and Tezzeret. The only opposed walker is Ajani.

The idea of a G/B or a U/G walker really excites me, although I think we have enough variation in Green already. I'd definitely like to see more Blue walkers, though.
 
I'm really banking on a B/G "Corrupted Garruk" walker. (See the Novels for why), but considering Garruk, Primal Hunter was recently released in M12, this will either be really unlikely, or a bad move for WotC.

As far as I know, a BG Garruk is in the works.

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That looks pretty BG to me.
 
If you asked me this game seemed to go down hill as soon as the Updated Phyxerian set. thought nowadays I usually play commander. With that being said im still going ot end up buying 2 boxes of Innanstrad (I always buy 2 boxes of every set.)
 
If you asked me this game seemed to go down hill as soon as the Updated Phyxerian set. thought nowadays I usually play commander. With that being said im still going ot end up buying 2 boxes of Innanstrad (I always buy 2 boxes of every set.)

Really? In my opinion the game hasn't become worse than it was when Jund was the best deck in standard. Yeah, some parts of the recent phyrexia set are a little dumb (mainly phyrexian mana), but at least those cards dont add random luck to the game, they just make aggro better than control players prefer. Right now standard is very interesting, because control, combo, aggro, ramp, and midrange are all very playable. Its not like lorwyn, where you had timespiral-lorwyn when you had a 'completely' balanced rock-paper-scissors standard, but its still a skill metagame.
 
As far as I know, a BG Garruk is in the works.

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That looks pretty BG to me.

Difficult to say - Maro has said in the past that Garruk was not eligible to become multicoloured because he's been made an iconic posterboy for mono-green, epitomising the colour; given that all of the art for Innistrad is somewhat horror-themed, I don't think the art alone is convincing enough to go against his prior comments. (In fact, if he goes multicolour at all it'll probably be GW, given GW represents Human hunters in Innistrad, though I expect mono-green).

It should also be noted that the flavour setup for Nissa seems to show her being the most likely to become BG.

EDIT: Given we have two different pieces of Liliana artwork (both in that picture), what's the chances she's the prerelease mythic? About time we got a good one again.
 
If you asked me this game seemed to go down hill as soon as the Updated Phyxerian set. thought nowadays I usually play commander. With that being said im still going ot end up buying 2 boxes of Innanstrad (I always buy 2 boxes of every set.)

You sure cause I thought it went downhill around Shards of Alara and Zendikar when Wizards were pushing the gap with expensive utility mythic rares and planeswalkers almost every set that have to jump in price like crazy around $40-50+. This game is getting as expensive as Yu-Gi-Oh! and it's a shame, this isn't just in Legacy it's effecting EDH/Casual, Standard, and soon Modern format which is replacing Extended.

I've wanted to get my friends who play Magic into EDH/Commander but they've preffered Kitchen Table Casual free for all, Two Headed Giant, or Emperor. Plus you're pouring more money into Commander than you are in Kitchen Table Casual where you're saving yourself money with a 60 card deck or maybe 70 even. As much as I like Commander my playgroup prefers playing Magic the old fashioned way I don't know why we just do.
 
I think part of it is that sellers realize that certain cards are of interest to edh players specifically and raise prices because of the new popularity of the format. The rest of what you said i agree with. The titan cycle (frost, sun, etc) should NEVER have been made mythic rare, cycles should not be mythic rare, that is dumb. Next we'll see duals being mythic rare, or cards like reflecting pool being mythic rare...
 
I do, but usually only the ones in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Cool, I may have seen you around, as I'm from Iowa. I was at the Burnsville PTQ for Nagoya in January, but scrubbed. Thankfully, my season ended a week later because I won the Sunday PTQ at Grand Prix Atlanta. Didn't get around to PTQing for Philly because of work, but I'll very likely be up there for events in the upcoming Limited qualifying season.
 
Cool, I may have seen you around, as I'm from Iowa. I was at the Burnsville PTQ for Nagoya in January, but scrubbed. Thankfully, my season ended a week later because I won the Sunday PTQ at Grand Prix Atlanta. Didn't get around to PTQing for Philly because of work, but I'll very likely be up there for events in the upcoming Limited qualifying season.

Yeah I was there, also did quite terrible (played 5cc, you may recall the game between 5cc and esper faeries in round 3 or 4 that had a large audience). I top 8'd the first ptq in Burnsville this season but lost to valakut in top 4, and top 8'd the scg IQ here a few weeks ago (again losing in top 4).
 
I think part of it is that sellers realize that certain cards are of interest to edh players specifically and raise prices because of the new popularity of the format. The rest of what you said i agree with. The titan cycle (frost, sun, etc) should NEVER have been made mythic rare, cycles should not be mythic rare, that is dumb. Next we'll see duals being mythic rare, or cards like reflecting pool being mythic rare...

You mean the Shock Lands from Ravnica block? Nah, not gonna happen though there is a possibility they could reprint them due to the Original Duals from Alpha, Beta, and Revised becoming more and more scarce and expensive especially their usage in Legacy and Vintage. There were ways you could get the Original Duals in the 1st Edition Boxes of Zendikar but it's too late now.

Because of the Reserved List fiasco any cards included will never be reprinted at all including cards from Alpha, Beta, Revised, Arabian Nights, Antiquities, among other classic sets with the exception of Mercadian Masques. For some odd reason cards like Force of Will and Time Walk are still able to get reprinted, so it looks like Wizards may have found a loop hole regarding the Reserved List problems they face.
 
I'm hoping that since the R/G tribal is Werewolves, Garruk is going to become all werewolfy, hence the darker pic. Really hope that he doesn't become black green, as black is my most hated colour >.< But I guess sarkhan vol was R/G, so it's less likely

*Sigh*
 
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