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Sarkhy was a much better walker than Garruk. I'm not sold on werewolves, even if they are the obvious BG choice for the Obvious BG color combos.

I don't think red will get much in this set. As said, this is predominantly graveyard play. And what's red good at? Deal X damage to target permanent. I reckon we are gonna see shit tons of destruction and recursion. Things such as dragons and goblins which involve sacrificing or blowing up your own stuff to trigger cool effects which you can then reuse with the inevitable B recursion would be nice, but that's thinking really deeply.
 
PokéTrainer J said:
You sure cause I thought it went downhill around Shards of Alara and Zendikar when Wizards were pushing the gap with expensive utility mythic rares and planeswalkers almost every set that have to jump in price like crazy around $40-50+. This game is getting as expensive as Yu-Gi-Oh! and it's a shame, this isn't just in Legacy it's effecting EDH/Casual, Standard, and soon Modern format which is replacing Extended.

I've wanted to get my friends who play Magic into EDH/Commander but they've preffered Kitchen Table Casual free for all, Two Headed Giant, or Emperor. Plus you're pouring more money into Commander than you are in Kitchen Table Casual where you're saving yourself money with a 60 card deck or maybe 70 even. As much as I like Commander my playgroup prefers playing Magic the old fashioned way I don't know why we just do.
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unless you're playing in a tournament there is no reason not to use proxies for expensive cards
 
I heard about how the new Modern format is shaping in Magic, and to be honest I'm slightly disappointed. There's already a new banlist out for the format and it seems like the format is going to favor Aggro over Control again which Wizards has been doing for some time now especially since they recently unbanned AEther Vial in Modern which is going to boost Aggro decks up the wazoo which gives Control hardly a chance to compete at all. Zoo and Merfolk BDIF in Modern? Check.

When are they going to learn that Aggro isn't the only way to play Magic? I mean sure I don't like getting my spells countered constantly but I think Wizards could've done it properly by actually printing cards that protect your spells and permanents from getting countered like for example Autumn's Veil and Vexing Shusher for Green and Red. Even White used to be able to get around countermagic with Story Circle.

They are just worried that If they give other colors ways to prevent your cards from getting countered by card effects and abilities that it would ruin the color pie and to some extent it might but oh well some rules are meant to be broken. Now they could decide to quit printing Cancel in every Core Set and give us the original Counterspell and print counterspell prevention cards or they could do what they have been doing lately, Blue Mill as being a disruption answer when it doesn't solve the problem at all.

Wizards is just trying to find an excuse not to give Blue more Countermagic cards and they've been on this Anti-Control Pro-Aggro spree for far too long and it's more or less hurt the overall growth of the TCG as a whole whether they refuse to except that or not. That's part of the problem that's hurting Competitive Magic these days, another problem is that they will only print cards with the Standard metagame in mind instead of appeasing players of other formats, we got lucky with Splinter Twin combo though.
 
I'm not much of a competitive MTG player, but I do have a black/blue deck that can beat my friends. Funny thing is, one of them spends money on several packs and individual cards a month, but I still beat him, even though I probably haven't even spent over $75 altogether. One of the reasons I wanted to get into competitive Pokemon: Besides versions to import Pokemon from if you don't have a friend to help, there's no additional costs.
 
Just cracked a box of Ravinca that came in throgh the mail (got y check from the marines so I bougth alot of cards.) God I gotta love the art.

With that being said u can play online for free with a a program Cocktrice.
 
Shiki1335 said:
Just cracked a box of Ravinca that came in throgh the mail (got y check from the marines so I bougth alot of cards.) God I gotta love the art.

With that being said u can play online for free with a a program Cocktrice.
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How did you manage to get a box of Ravinca five and a half years after it came out? Also, we already know about Cocktrice; you should have read the Opening Post first.

Anyway, why is Jace the Mind Sculptor (and Stoneforge Mystic) banned in Standard but not in any other format? On an unrelated note, though I've never actually played a game of M:TG (I only have a bunch of cards in my bedroom), I'd like to see what Modern (everything after Eighth Edition is allowed, except for a few banned cards)(see here) would look like. Are there any plans for Wizards to have Modern replace Extended?
 
Websites u can order them from. cardkingdom.com etc.

JAce and stoneforge isnt as broken as he is in other formats they dont define the meta.
 
Some Person said:
Anyway, why is Jace the Mind Sculptor (and Stoneforge Mystic) banned in Standard but not in any other format? On an unrelated note, though I've never actually played a game of M:TG (I only have a bunch of cards in my bedroom), I'd like to see what Modern (everything after Eighth Edition is allowed, except for a few banned cards)(see here) would look like. Are there any plans for Wizards to have Modern replace Extended?
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jace and stoneforge are banned in modern... and yes it is replacing extended pretty much

it was all in yesterday's daily mtg
 
it's quite funny how a harmless-looking spell like mental misstep was banned in modern.

also more people should come to #mtg so our drafts are more successful and / or frequent.
 
Mental mistep was a "free" counter up to turn 3 and literally stopped most decks going off. Plus it was used in a meta where you win by stopping 1 spell.
 
We should all rage about aether vial not being banned. I'll be playing red deck wins for sho.
 
Quite simply Modern is going to be a race between Zoo and Jund. Zoo wins if it gets at least three guys and a Goyf in play. JUnd wins if it gets Bob and Goyf in play.
 
i think merfolk and white weenie (regular and kithkin variants) have a good shot in this format as well. both are very fast and have a lot of abusable cards (pretty much all the good legacy merfolk, aether vial, spectral procession, figure of destiny, etc)
 
actually I was considering Merfolk when you consider that pretty much the entire Merfolk deck is legal bar Force of Will and other miscellaneous counterspells.

I mean, the main "other merfolk get +1/+1" dudes, Merfolk Sovereign, Merrow Reejerey, Lord Of Atlantis, and any other dudes are all Modern Legal. But replacing stuff with Mana Leak and Cancel? Really?
 
yeah that's true, though there are a lot of decent counters left still (spell pierce, remand, and maybe disrupting shoal are all cards I'd consider playing)

also i think i might try a U/w build, as being able to play path to exile will probably help against all the creature-heavy decks

and there apparently was a modern portion of the scg today in richmond, where the finals were an affinity deck and a zoo deck abusing bloodbraid into boom//bust...
 
The reason Merfolk is so good in Legacy is because blue is far and away the best color. Lord of Atlantis effectively makes Merfolk unblockable against most decks. Notice that the decks where Fish has bad matchups (Zoo, Goblins, etc) are all decks that don't play Islands. In Modern, where WotC has, for whatever reason, decided that people should play aggro, blue is not nearly as appealing, so I don't think Merfolk will be quite as powerful.

As I said on irc, I'm not going to be playing Modern until they reprint the shocklands and fix that travesty of a ban list.
 
Jund and zoo aren't the threats in Modern. Countertop Prog didnt get hit by anything in this format. Foodchain is highly explosive and even 5 color control is a monster. Right now I pretty much stomped a modern swiss tourney with Mishara and Scepters (early frost + momentarily blink=super counter with mystic snake.).
 
faeries can be good, they could be just like merfolk, and aether vial is excellent for them.
 
Faeries lost the main momentum card in the form of bitterblossom. But that being said The aggro rogue variant of faeries can be very devastating ill post the decklist in abit.
Naya lightsaber is also a killing machine with all the access to quick removal spells.
Combo Elfs are also another deck I made in modern and Its a machine.
 
Shiki1335 said:
Jund and zoo aren't the threats in Modern. Countertop Prog didnt get hit by anything in this format. Foodchain is highly explosive and even 5 color control is a monster. Right now I pretty much stomped a modern swiss tourney with Mishara and Scepters (early frost + momentarily blink=super counter with mystic snake.).
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Id like to say otherwise. I personally have been running RDW a lot lately in the new Modern format. At this point at such an early metagame, Zoo and RDW are def top threats. Ive only ever had problems with faster combo decks and then a birthing pod bant list that kept on recurring and cloning kitchen finks.

As for merfolk, it completely folds to Volcanic Fallout, much more so than Zoo (with most of its creatures being higher than 2 toughness) and RDW (which doesnt depend on 2 toughness lords).

Anyways, regardless of everyone's personal experiences, its too early to tell what is good and what isn't, especially with the weird choices of the banlist (ancestral visions and mental misstep are wtfs).

Im having fun with this format, so we will see what happens.
 
Mental misstep is a knee jerk reaction to how big of a impact it had in Legacy.
Also Aether Vial is unbanned I mean WTF......
 
I'm also playing rdw, though I different list than Jace. The decks you have problems against are combo decks, and you can beat decks like 12-post just by outrunning them even if you dont play magus of the moon, which I do.

I think it would be interesting to try a blood braid elf->restore balance deck.
 
bojangles said:
The reason Merfolk is so good in Legacy is because blue is far and away the best color. Lord of Atlantis effectively makes Merfolk unblockable against most decks. Notice that the decks where Fish has bad matchups (Zoo, Goblins, etc) are all decks that don't play Islands. In Modern, where WotC has, for whatever reason, decided that people should play aggro, blue is not nearly as appealing, so I don't think Merfolk will be quite as powerful.

As I said on irc, I'm not going to be playing Modern until they reprint the shocklands and fix that travesty of a ban list.
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You're partly right. The real reason is because it's the best aggro deck with Force of Will. The problem with Legacy for a long time was that it was defined by degenerate combos. And while those combos still exist (Painter, Aluren, Reanimator, Tendrils, Hive Mind, etc), they also struggle against Merfolk because Merfolk pressures the opponent while holding up a bunch of free counterspells (Daze, Misstep, Force, and Cursecatcher). Additionally, it's by far the best deck that uses Aether Vial.

I would be surprised if the deck ended up being good in Modern, if only because Merfolk is horrible against red and green based aggro, and it's also extremely susceptible to the Punishing Fire/Grove of the Burnwillows combo.

As for the current ban list, it's obvious that the DCI wanted to cover their asses. I think they wanted to protect the integrity of the institution of "pro magic" as much as possible, so they just said "fuck it, ban everything." I suspect that after they get a feeling for the format with the results of the PT, they'll likely unban cards based on public input and analysis of results/metagame.
 
Greetings, fellow MtG players.

I've been playing consistently for a little more than a year after at least a decade break. (The last set I remember coming out was Exodus.) I generally prefer playing red but I've also developed an affinity for green. I currently play Mono-Green Eldrazi, and I'm pretty sold on a Birthing Pod deck (still can't decide between RUG, Bant, or BUG) once the rotation hits.

I do play Standard primarily and I did dabble a bit into Legacy but I think I will be converting my Legacy burn deck into a Modern burn deck. No FoW and Mental Misstep makes my life easier. I like EDH but I haven't played a game of it for a while, so I'd be interested in trying out this Cockatrice thing to build me an EDH deck to screw around with.
 
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