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Manaphy (Bulky Calm Mind)
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I personally use 40 SpA EVs because you have a much higher chance of 2HKOing 28/252 +Natured Wobbuffet after 1 Layer of Stealth Rock and leftovers (40 SpA has an 87% chance of 2HKOing, while 4 SpA only has a 63% chance).
You always lose to Palkia anyways, so 252 Speed EVs are pretty much only for Salamence, who cannot OHKO you with outrage...
You always lose to Palkia anyways, so 252 Speed EVs are pretty much only for Salamence, who cannot OHKO you with outrage...
I'm kind of surprised that Calm Mind is not mentioned in the current Manaphy analysis. It really does have some potential. So here's mah set:
STATUS: QC approved, awaiting GP checks
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/manaphy
[SET]
name: Bulky Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Rest
move 3: Surf
move 4: Ice Beam / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Hydration
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set aims to utilize Manaphy's decent bulk to pull off a slow sweep. The idea is to come into a Pokemon who can't really threaten Manaphy and set up a Calm Mind. From there, Calm Mind up and Rest off damage when Manaphy's HP gets low. Even after just one Calm Mind, Manaphy manages to survive many attacks with plenty of HP to spare, allowing it to continue to use Calm Mind and Rest until it is powerful enough to sweep. Manaphy is also able to take physical hits reasonably well, so it can also survive an unboosted physical hit like Choice Scarf Garchomp's Outrage and KO back with the Ice Beam. Calm Mind and Rest are obviously the crux of this set, while Surf is Manaphy's STAB move, which is bolstered further by the rain that Kyogre provides. The last move is for coverage. Ice Beam KOes Rayquaza who can nullify the weather, and hence removes Manaphy's ability to Rest. Ice Beam also hits Dragon-types like Garchomp, Giratina, Latias, and Latios for super effective damage while allowing Manaphy to hit Dialga and Palkia for neutral damage. Note that Surf in the rain does more than a neutral Ice Beam to Dialga. Grass Knot is for Kyogre switch-ins. Here's a few damage calculations to demonstrate Manaphy's ability to take hits:</p>
<ul class=”damage_calculation”>
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Kyogre, Palkia, Dialga Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 48.02% - 56.93%</li>
<li>Neutral 204 SpA Latias Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 55.45% - 65.35%</li>
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Latios Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 64.85% - 76.73%</li>
</ul>
<p>As shown above, after a Calm Mind, Manaphy can take on quite a lot of special attacks and Rest off the damage while continuing to build up Calm Minds. It should be noted, however, that Latias and Latios can easily Calm Mind alongside Manaphy, and Shaymin-S can easily mitigate the Special Defense boosts gained through Calm Mind with Seed Flare.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EVs are relatively simple, max Speed allows Manaphy to tie with Palkia and Salamence. Max HP is used for bulk, while the rest go into Special Attack.</p>
<p>Like all Manaphy sets, this set requires rain support from Kyogre. RainRest is the one thing that makes Manaphy so deadly. Without the rain, Manaphy would have reduced Water STAB and no reliable recovery. However, while the use of Kyogre is pretty much compulsory alongside Manaphy, one should still decide which Kyogre to use. A bulky Kyogre like Thunder Wave Kyogre is the best for Calm Mind Manaphy, simply because Manaphy likes Kyogre lasting long enough to support it. Thunder Wave Kyogre can also lure out and cripple many of Manaphy's counters, like Latias and Palkia. However, a hard hitting variant like Choice Specs can easily go alongside Manaphy, Kyogre being able to break down special walls with its insanely powerful attacks so Manaphy can clean up later.</p>
<p>Automatic weather-inducers (Groudon, Tyranitar, and to an extent Rayquaza) will obviously cause problems for Manaphy, especially if they switch in while Manaphy Rests. Groudon can be lured using Mixed Bulk Up Dialga, who can draw in Groudon and proceed to KO it with Draco Meteor. Garchomp can check any Tyranitar without Ice Beam. Rayquaza would only be dangerous should it catch Manaphy Resting, so a Choice Scarf Garchomp or Palkia can check a Dragon Dance Rayquaza (While Manaphy can revenge Swords Dance variants).</p>
<p>This Manaphy set will have problems with other Pokemon who can Calm Mind alongside it. Calm Mind RestTalk Kyogre, Latias, Latios, and Giratina can Calm Mind alongside Manaphy and eventually strike it down. Teammates who can defeat such opponents will greatly help this Manaphy set up and sweep. Calm Mind Latias can switch into Calm Mind Kyogre and Calm Mind alongside it. Latias and Latios are best defeated by Pursuiting them to death. Tyranitar is generally not a good idea, as its Sand Stream ability will cut away at the rain that Manaphy really wants. Scizor and Metagross are probably the best Pursuiters to work alongside Manaphy, as they resist the Dragon-type moves that Latias and Latios deal out and can Pursuit them to death. Beware, however, that Thunder from either of them (in particular Latios) will 2HKO both Scizor and Metagaross.</p>
<p>It should be noted that Kyogre and Manaphy have the same typing, and therefore, the same weaknesses. Swords Dance Garchomp is a great Pokemon to switch into Choiced Electric attacks and set up. Latias is also a good Pokemon to switch into dangerous Electric attacks aimed at the Kyogre and Manaphy pair. Dialga can also switch into Thunder and use Bulk Up in preparation for a sweep. Grass attacks are not too common in Ubers, but again, Latias and Dialga are excellent switch-ins to attacks like Seed Flare coming from Shaymin-S.</p>
blue is add or change
red is remove
It needs to endure multiple Thunders over the course of the battle, so it probably wouldn't help much. Additionally, Manaphy loses to CM Latias regardless of Wacan...
This is not mention that CM Manaphy eats Scarf Thunders for breakfast anyway!! You'll lose to Latias no matter what unless you paralyse it and Pursuit it or something. So yeah, the constant extra recovery from Leftovers help more than the one use of Wacan. If you want to use Wacan, you're probably better off using TG.
Oh, and thanks for the check Berserker Lord and firecape.
Additions in bold, removals in red.
Pretty good on the whole. I moved that last paragraph above next to the other Kyogre mentions for ease of understanding. Otherwise, my fixes were mostly for general prose issues and removing silly fluff that didn't add anything to the writeup. Good job, otherwise, it's ready to go on-site when you fix these things.
Cheers.
GP Check 2/2
[SET]
name: Bulky Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Rest
move 3: Surf
move 4: Ice Beam / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Hydration
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set aims to utilize Manaphy's decent bulk to pull off a slow sweep. The idea is to switch into a Pokemon who can't really threaten Manaphy and set up a Calm Mind. From there, Calm Mind up and Rest off damage when Manaphy's HP gets low. Even after just one Calm Mind, Manaphy manages to survive many attacks with plenty of HP to spare, allowing it to continue to use Calm Mind and Rest until it is powerful enough to sweep. Manaphy is also able to take physical hits reasonably well., so it can also For instance, it can survive an unboosted physical hit like Choice Scarf Garchomp's Outrage and KO back with the Ice Beam. The combination of Calm Mind and Rest is obviously the crux of this set, while Surf is Manaphy's STAB move, which is bolstered further by the rain that Kyogre provides. The last move is for coverage. Ice Beam KOes Rayquaza who can nullify the weather, and hence removes Manaphy's ability to Rest. Ice Beam also hits Dragon-types Pokemon like Garchomp, Giratina, Latias, and Latios for super effective damage while allowing Manaphy to hit Dialga and Palkia for neutral damage. Note that Surf in the rain does more than to Dialga than a neutral Ice Beam. Grass Knot is an option for Kyogre switch-ins. Here are a few damage calculations to demonstrate Manaphy's ability to take hits:</p>
<ul class=”"damage_calculation”">
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Kyogre, Palkia, Dialga Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 48.02% - 56.93%</li>
<li>Neutral 204 SpA Latias Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 55.45% - 65.35%</li>
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Latios Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 64.85% - 76.73%</li>
</ul>
<p>As shown above, after a Calm Mind, Manaphy can take on quite a lot of special attacks and Rest off the damage while continuing to build up Calm Minds. It should be noted, however, that Latias and Latios can easily Calm Mind alongside Manaphy, and Shaymin-S can easily remove the Special Defense boosts gained through Calm Mind with Seed Flare.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EVs are relatively simple; max Speed allows Manaphy to tie with Palkia and Salamence. Max HP is used for bulk, while the rest go into Special Attack.</p> <p>Like all Manaphy sets, this set requires rain support from Kyogre. RainRest Hydration coupled with Restis the one thing that what makes Manaphy so deadly,. and Wwithout it the rain, Manaphy is rather weak and lacks recovery. would have reduced Water STAB and no recovery. However, while the use of Kyogre is pretty much compulsory alongside Manaphy, one should still decide which variant of Kyogre to use. A bulky Kyogre like the with Thunder Wave variant is best for Calm Mind Manaphy, as Kyogre being able to survive most of a match is critical. simply because Manaphy likes Kyogre lasting long enough to support it. Thunder Wave Kyogre can also lure out and cripple many of Manaphy's counters, like Latias and Palkia. However, a The hard-hitting variant like Choice Specs Kyogre can easily also go fit alongside Manaphy, with Kyogre being able to breaking down special walls with its insanely powerful attacks so Manaphy can clean up later. It should be noted that Kyogre and Manaphy have the same typing, and therefore, the same weaknesses. Swords Dance Garchomp, Latias, and Dialga are great Pokemon to switch into Electric-type attacks with their ability to set up on them.</p>
<p>Automatic weather-inducers (Groudon, Tyranitar, and to an extent Rayquaza) will obviously cause problems for Manaphy, especially if they switch in while Manaphy Rests. Groudon can be lured using Mixed Bulk Up Dialga, who can draw in Groudon and proceed to KO it with Draco Meteor. Garchomp can check any Tyranitar without Ice Beam. Rayquaza would is only be dangerous should it catch Manaphy Resting, so a Choice Scarf Garchomp or Palkia should be is sufficient to for checking it. Dragon Dance Rayquaza (While Manaphy can revenge Swords Dance variants).</p> <p>This Manaphy set will have problems also has issues with other Pokemon who can Calm Mind alongside it. Calm Mind RestTalk Kyogre, Latias, Latios, and Giratina can Calm Mind alongside Manaphy and eventually strike it down. Teammates who can defeat such opponents will greatly help Manaphy set up and sweep. Calm Mind Latias can switch into Calm Mind Kyogre and Calm Mind alongside it. Latias and Latios are best defeated by Pursuit users. Tyranitar is generally not a good idea, as its Sand Stream ability will cut away at kill the rain that Manaphy desperately needs. really wants. Scizor and Metagross are probably the best Pursuit users to work use alongside Manaphy, as they resist the Dragon-type STAB moves that from Latias and Latios deal out and can Pursuit them to death. Beware, however, that Thunder from either of them (in particular Latios) can 2HKO both Scizor and Metagross.</p>
<p>It should be noted that Kyogre and Manaphy have the same typing, and therefore, the same weaknesses. Swords Dance Garchomp is a great Pokemon to switch into Choiced Electric-type attacks and set up. Latias is also a good Pokemon to switch into dangerous Electric-type attacks aimed at Kyogre and Manaphy. Dialga can also switch into Thunder and use Bulk Up in preparation for a sweep. Grass attacks are not too common in Ubers, but again, Latias and Dialga are excellent switch-ins to attacks like Seed Flare coming from Shaymin-S.</p>((Shouldn't be here, I moved the important parts of this above))
name: Bulky Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Rest
move 3: Surf
move 4: Ice Beam / Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Hydration
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set aims to utilize Manaphy's decent bulk to pull off a slow sweep. The idea is to switch into a Pokemon who can't really threaten Manaphy and set up a Calm Mind. From there, Calm Mind up and Rest off damage when Manaphy's HP gets low. Even after just one Calm Mind, Manaphy manages to survive many attacks with plenty of HP to spare, allowing it to continue to use Calm Mind and Rest until it is powerful enough to sweep. Manaphy is also able to take physical hits reasonably well., so it can also For instance, it can survive an unboosted physical hit like Choice Scarf Garchomp's Outrage and KO back with the Ice Beam. The combination of Calm Mind and Rest is obviously the crux of this set, while Surf is Manaphy's STAB move, which is bolstered further by the rain that Kyogre provides. The last move is for coverage. Ice Beam KOes Rayquaza who can nullify the weather, and hence removes Manaphy's ability to Rest. Ice Beam also hits Dragon-types Pokemon like Garchomp, Giratina, Latias, and Latios for super effective damage while allowing Manaphy to hit Dialga and Palkia for neutral damage. Note that Surf in the rain does more than to Dialga than a neutral Ice Beam. Grass Knot is an option for Kyogre switch-ins. Here are a few damage calculations to demonstrate Manaphy's ability to take hits:</p>
<ul class=”"damage_calculation”">
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Kyogre, Palkia, Dialga Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 48.02% - 56.93%</li>
<li>Neutral 204 SpA Latias Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 55.45% - 65.35%</li>
<li>Neutral 252 SpA Latios Thunder vs +1 Manaphy: 64.85% - 76.73%</li>
</ul>
<p>As shown above, after a Calm Mind, Manaphy can take on quite a lot of special attacks and Rest off the damage while continuing to build up Calm Minds. It should be noted, however, that Latias and Latios can easily Calm Mind alongside Manaphy, and Shaymin-S can easily remove the Special Defense boosts gained through Calm Mind with Seed Flare.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The EVs are relatively simple; max Speed allows Manaphy to tie with Palkia and Salamence. Max HP is used for bulk, while the rest go into Special Attack.</p> <p>Like all Manaphy sets, this set requires rain support from Kyogre. RainRest Hydration coupled with Restis the one thing that what makes Manaphy so deadly,. and Wwithout it the rain, Manaphy is rather weak and lacks recovery. would have reduced Water STAB and no recovery. However, while the use of Kyogre is pretty much compulsory alongside Manaphy, one should still decide which variant of Kyogre to use. A bulky Kyogre like the with Thunder Wave variant is best for Calm Mind Manaphy, as Kyogre being able to survive most of a match is critical. simply because Manaphy likes Kyogre lasting long enough to support it. Thunder Wave Kyogre can also lure out and cripple many of Manaphy's counters, like Latias and Palkia. However, a The hard-hitting variant like Choice Specs Kyogre can easily also go fit alongside Manaphy, with Kyogre being able to breaking down special walls with its insanely powerful attacks so Manaphy can clean up later. It should be noted that Kyogre and Manaphy have the same typing, and therefore, the same weaknesses. Swords Dance Garchomp, Latias, and Dialga are great Pokemon to switch into Electric-type attacks with their ability to set up on them.</p>
<p>Automatic weather-inducers (Groudon, Tyranitar, and to an extent Rayquaza) will obviously cause problems for Manaphy, especially if they switch in while Manaphy Rests. Groudon can be lured using Mixed Bulk Up Dialga, who can draw in Groudon and proceed to KO it with Draco Meteor. Garchomp can check any Tyranitar without Ice Beam. Rayquaza would is only be dangerous should it catch Manaphy Resting, so a Choice Scarf Garchomp or Palkia should be is sufficient to for checking it. Dragon Dance Rayquaza (While Manaphy can revenge Swords Dance variants).</p> <p>This Manaphy set will have problems also has issues with other Pokemon who can Calm Mind alongside it. Calm Mind RestTalk Kyogre, Latias, Latios, and Giratina can Calm Mind alongside Manaphy and eventually strike it down. Teammates who can defeat such opponents will greatly help Manaphy set up and sweep. Calm Mind Latias can switch into Calm Mind Kyogre and Calm Mind alongside it. Latias and Latios are best defeated by Pursuit users. Tyranitar is generally not a good idea, as its Sand Stream ability will cut away at kill the rain that Manaphy desperately needs. really wants. Scizor and Metagross are probably the best Pursuit users to work use alongside Manaphy, as they resist the Dragon-type STAB moves that from Latias and Latios deal out and can Pursuit them to death. Beware, however, that Thunder from either of them (in particular Latios) can 2HKO both Scizor and Metagross.</p>
<p>It should be noted that Kyogre and Manaphy have the same typing, and therefore, the same weaknesses. Swords Dance Garchomp is a great Pokemon to switch into Choiced Electric-type attacks and set up. Latias is also a good Pokemon to switch into dangerous Electric-type attacks aimed at Kyogre and Manaphy. Dialga can also switch into Thunder and use Bulk Up in preparation for a sweep. Grass attacks are not too common in Ubers, but again, Latias and Dialga are excellent switch-ins to attacks like Seed Flare coming from Shaymin-S.</p>((Shouldn't be here, I moved the important parts of this above))
Cheers.
GP Check 2/2
