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i'm very surprised nobody called you on this.

changing the legal status of something will directly alter the price in a significant way. do you think that gram of weed would be worth $10 if you could buy it legally from any drugstore? certainly not. $3, at most.

even if the government added a huge tax, i would bet it would still be significantly cheaper if it were legal than it is now.

I don't know how much it is taxed in Amsterdam, but as it's the only real place we have to base things off I'll use that for this example. I haven't been there myself this is just through word of mouth btw.

For a gram of decent stuff it is about €7-10 I think? That is between €24-35 for an eighth (3.5 grams). In comparison an eighth in the UK is £20, often less if you know the dealer. I know with exchange rates that works out similar but it seems that things are a lot more expensive in the UK than in Europe anyway (maybe due to import tax?) if you look at tobacco its significantly (as in 4 or 5 times) cheaper in Europe than in the UK, so I wouldn't be hopeful about weed being cheaper.

Regardless, the point I'm trying to make is I don't understand why people who smoke want it legalised so much. If you are already smoking it regularly then I assume you don't have a problem getting a hold of it. Yes you do have to be careful but as long as you are sensible you won't get into too much trouble. Maybe things are different in the US or whatever other country but as far as the UK goes I don't see any benefits to to it being legalised for either smokers or non-smokers.
 
You have to consider that marijuana would be regulated if it were ever legalized. You wouldn't be legally able to grow your own (except possibly medical cases). This alone would increase the price.
 
You have to consider that marijuana would be regulated if it were ever legalized. You wouldn't be legally able to grow your own (except possibly medical cases). This alone would increase the price.

With less penalties for breaking this law and being less likely to get caught, people would still grow their own just to get past whatever price/taxes that would be put on weed.
 
Growing your own would be the same as growing your own tobacco or brewing your own alcohol. I don't see why that's an argument against legalising use.
 
If mary jane makes people as lazy as you claim, then why wouldn't they jump at the chance to buy it in a drug store? Wouldn't that take so much less effort?


Regardless, the point I'm trying to make is I don't understand why people who smoke want it legalised so much. If you are already smoking it regularly then I assume you don't have a problem getting a hold of it. Yes you do have to be careful but as long as you are sensible you won't get into too much trouble. Maybe things are different in the US or whatever other country but as far as the UK goes I don't see any benefits to to it being legalised for either smokers or non-smokers.

What about people who would like to smoke but do not because using illegal drugs could cause them to lose their job?

Wikey said:
I don't think anyone should smoke it. I just think it is an acceptable "bad" behavior for a teenager. I think it is extremely pathetic when adults smoke regularly or are dependent on it. Mostly because its main negative side-effect is making people irresponsible and lazy.

It seems to me that you don't believe it is possible to use drugs responsibly. If pot makes people irresponsible as you claim it does, then wouldn't allowing teenagers to smoke it cause them to become dependent adults?

Then again, I do believe it is possible for a reasonably intelligent adult who knows what he or she is getting into to use drugs responsibly without becoming dependent on them.
 
With less penalties for breaking this law and being less likely to get caught, people would still grow their own just to get past whatever price/taxes that would be put on weed.
Growing your own would be the same as growing your own tobacco or brewing your own alcohol. I don't see why that's an argument against legalising use.
This isn't about growing your own marijuana, this means that you won't be able to buy marijuana grown down the street. You will have to be an approved marijuana grower to be able to sell.

I never implied, nor do I believe, that marijuana should be illegal to use. I was just trying to refute the point that it would become decidedly cheaper.

EDIT: I noticed my previous post said that growing your own marijuana would be illegal, I now realise this was wrong. I meant that it would be illegal to sell homegrown marijuana.
 
Drugs were made illegal for a reason (or 7 million), they should stay that way, always.

Straight edge for life

Pulp and paper industry
had money
fuck that hemp shit, it's so much fucking better for paper what do we do oh god

them black monkeys smoke it cannabis!
yeah!
that's related to marijuana, if we illigalize that we're golden
poor hemp
got illegalized and stuff

pot was as legal as everything else before the twenties. A man coming home and taking a couple of puffs from his pipe wasn't an issue. It's not any more of an issue now

uhh
I promise I'll get around to posting in this thread soon
 
Outside of inhalation, weed is about as addictive and dangerous as anxiety or depression medication, I am sure there are a few key differences, but overall the side effects and hazards are nearly identical. So looking at a pure logical viewpoint (ei I couldn't give a fuck about it being a gateway drug), weed should be classed about the same as those medications. But no it isn't, that can only mean that those drugs should also be class 1 (which is ridiculous), or that weed needs to be brought down.

morphine and heroin are pretty similar as well... but you need a prescription and a medical reason to be able to get morphine, much like anxiety/depression medication. selling potentially harmful drugs bought over the counter at a store is completely different to having an expert medical opinion REQUIRED to obtain aforementioned drug. the only thing you could really be arguing with this is legalization of medical marijuana; and if we can be honest here, that isn't what most pro-marijuana advocates want. whilst it'd be nice to give to terminal cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers, most people want to get high, not treat chronic pain.


just on that note, though, i'm not anti-marijuana. but i'm pretty against it being used by young people, not that illegality nor an age restriction would solve that (just look at alcohol). honestly, keeping it illegal would not change anything, so all the problems anti-marijuana advocates have with marijuana would not change. i smoke very rarely (in the last 2 years i have smoked 3 times), but don't really enjoy it in a mindblowing way (it's not really my style).


The specific mental disorder that seems to have the most literature on its relationship with cannabis is schizophrenia. Many anti-drug advocates will point to the positive correlation between cannabis use and schizophrenia and say that the former causes the latter. However, as any first-year psych or sociology student will tell you, correlation does not imply causation. From what I can gather, the best explanation for this relationship is that in many schizophrenics, there is a specific "trigger" that brings about the onset of the disorder, and that for schizophrenics who have smoked in the past or still smoke cannabis, that trigger was a psychotic episode brought on by cannabis consumption. In other words, smoking pot won't make you schizophrenic by itself, but if you're prone to schizophrenia anyway smoking pot might be the thing that "pushes you over the edge," so to speak.

this is the main problem i have with marijuana use in teenagers. i mean, whether marijuana use is caused by schizophrenia (self-medicating) or vice versa (marijuana is leading to schizophrenia), these are both bad things! i used to have problems with depression, and self-medicated with alcohol, and it nearly ruined my life. sure, you can say i was an idiot about it; but more people do this than you realize. if someone has an easily accessible 'escape' from a problem, why go to all the work of visiting a professional?

but, keeping it illegal isn't helping this issue at all (obviously), so i do not feel it needs to be illegal. what we need, really, is reliable education, not law enforcement (except for people driving under the influence...). it seems most education with drugs in general, but marijuana especially, comes from someone incredibly pro or against drug use. it should be presented as facts.

here in australia we didn't get the whole 'DARE' thing, and we were mostly just educated about what drugs did, and how to be safe about using them (e.g. to take half-doses of pills and wait for them to set in before taking the other dose to ensure you do not take too much, drink plenty of water, don't mix drugs etc.) and the long-term effects, which has kept me away from certain drugs (for example it is the reason i knew it was time to cut down heavily on both marijuana and drinking), so i guess it's worked for me!


...also anyone who says you can't be addicted to marijuana is being ridiculous. i have a friend who has an intense panic attack if she goes about 16 hours without marijuana, excluding that she gets jittery, can't sleep, etc. just because someone smokes and is not addicted, does not mean everyone who smokes is not addicted.

also, discussing the correlation/causational link between marijuana and schizophrenia. interesting enough: here and here. it's not really conclusive, but you get the idea.
 
morphine and heroin are pretty similar as well... but you need a prescription and a medical reason to be able to get morphine, much like anxiety/depression medication. selling potentially harmful drugs bought over the counter at a store is completely different to having an expert medical opinion REQUIRED to obtain aforementioned drug. the only thing you could really be arguing with this is legalization of medical marijuana; and if we can be honest here, that isn't what most pro-marijuana advocates want. whilst it'd be nice to give to terminal cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers, most people want to get high, not treat chronic pain.

Yeah that pretty much all I want, illegalizing it totally is pretty silly, at the very least it should be legalized in some medical form, on the extreme you would need a prescription, but over the counter should be fine. It would be fine to argue about if it should be used for recreation, what the age limits should be, and if you need a Doctor's prescription, taxes, and who is allowed to use it. But right now that is all null and void, its illegal, first comes legalizing it, the rest may come later if at all.
 
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Yeah, I see no point in not legalizing marijuana up here in BC, everyone smokes it, the cops don't care, and I don't mind paying a little more for federally or provincially grown stuff along with the guaranteed quality that it should have.

Also to everyone who says only lazy bums and dropouts smoke pot, you guys are idiots. I know many, many successful people who like to wind down from time to time with a little kush, my father included.
 
Down here in the Netherlands where the use of soft drugs is legal, there are less users than in countries like the USA and the UK, and weed isn't really that harmful. I think legalizing it would be better than keeping it as it is now.
 
I absolutely love how the federal government is against legalizing marijuana unless they can reliably tax and regulate it. The best part is that people argue that the usage of marijuana would increase drastically if it is legalized, those people need to look at Spain. Spain legalized drugs and no one is abusing them, the usage actually went down from when it was illegal.

Marijuana is also treated pretty much the same way as alcohol was when it was illegal in the 20's. It was widely distributed, rather easy to get and the cops didn't really give a shit because they were doing it, too. Same way as in New Jersey and Virginia, the cops or anyone with authority do not give a shit unless you carry like 2 pounds of the stuff on you. So even though it isn't a written law, the cops in my area draw the line when it goes from recreational purposes to the intention to sell (or traffic).

And weed is rather harmless until you buy shit from a crazy person who puts LSD and other crap in with it for that extra kick. By itself the worst that can happen to you is death from inhaling too much weed, which takes a shitton of effort to do.
 
the most potent stuff will double concentration and make you so much more self-aware of you and your surroundings, whilst providing euphoric experiences that are rather satisfying. Hence HIGH ^_^
 
I personally have never and most likely will never smoke weed. I know many people that are completely dependent on it. Their life was ruined because they spent the time they should`ve used socializing or studying getting baked. Then because their life sucks so much dick, they need an escape route. What do they do? They get even more high, and soon enough, they're on the streets, beggin for money which they use to get more weed instead of food. Its fucking ridiculous.

As for marijuana legislation, believe it or not, I actually completely support it. By legalizing marijuana, nations can now more easily facilitate the amount of weed that is imported each year. They can tax them up sky high, and discourages people from doing it more often. When originally somebody had the cash to get high every day, they now only have the means of getting high once a month. It would certainly decrease the amount of crime/ car accidents etc. while also making the average productivity of a nation go up as well.

This words are my words.

Also, I think, when legalizing it, the police will be worried with the guys that they really need to: Murderers, Rapers, Thieves... in my country, the cops are only worried with drugs. It's like: I'm a murder, so ok. I'm a drug dealer: HOLY CRAP, GO TO JAIL AND DIE THERE!!!!!!!!

But New World Order read my mind completely
 
man, nwo where do you live?

'They get even more high, and soon enough, they're on the streets, beggin for money which they use to get more weed instead of food. Its fucking ridiculous.'

i've never even HEARD of this kinda shit being ANYWHERE
 
Gonna go ahead and say you can get addicted pretty badly to marijuana, so keep this in mind even if my evidence is just anecdotal.

I started out smoking once a week or so. Sometimes a tad more, sometimes a tad less. A gram could last 2 weeks between my friends and I. We were lightweights and loved it. How much of it was placebo and how much was genuine? I can't say, but it didn't really matter.

Then, I got my very first piece. It was a pretty little glass sherlock, small bowl but it hit nicely. I was enamored with it, and my usage increased markedly. It got it right as school got out mind you, but I doubt I would have smoked this much during the year. I started blazing 2-3 times every week. I started smoking more at each session. I started getting more and more into the culture. I started popping diphenhydramine (which I also have had problems with) when I smoked.

Then school came and I cut back. Twice a week, tops. Dph became my drug of choice, which was a mistake etc etc irrelevant

Then I purchased a portable vaporizer, and when you combined this with the fact that I had a steady income and I was an irresponsible teenaged punk, you had a disaster. I started vaping every hour. I would wake up and vape before and after breakfast. I vaped in the bathroom at school, during lunch, on the bus, at picnics, in Spanish. I was having the time of my life, blowing $60 a week on weed. I kicked dph, but I had a new mistress.

I got caught eventually, by the cops no less, and BAM! my precious vaporizer was gone.

I couldn't sleep. I wasn't used to falling asleep sober, ever. I'd had difficulties getting to sleep before I vaped all the time, but never this bad. I never wanted to eat. Nothing had the same flavors, nothing was as fun. I stopped playing videogames, lost interest in writing and schoolwork, and generally suffered from a lack of motivation. All I wanted was to spark up a fat joint, sit back, and enjoy life.

And, you see, that was the problem. Weed had ingrained itself into my life, into my routine. It wasn't that my life revolved around it, it was that it made everything else I did better. And that was a problem when I couldn't use it anymore.

Then I got a bubbler and started smoking every day. If someone tells you that smoking weed doesn't hurt your lungs, they're full of shit. I smoked from 5-"multiple times an hour" times a day. I had a bad smoker's cough and got a clogged up nose. Incidentally, this never happened to me when I stuck to vapor, so if you're gonna get addicted at least blow the $100 on a portable vape.

Then I got caught and started all over again.

Last week was the first time I'd touched weed since I was caught, and I smoked multiple times every day. I now need to take another month-long break because I get drug tested by my parents, but if I didn't have to, I'd be high right now probably and enjoying it. I am still addicted to weed, and I have no intention of stopping smoking ever in my lifetime.

However, this wasn't a debilitating issue. I have always been able to stop smoking if I had to, the issue was just that there were consequences to doing so. Things like sucking dick for a bag of weed? That doesn't happen. I've never heard of someone tripping out and running around naked either, so I'd chalk that up to placebo ("not the weed") or something being laced into the bag. Something like PCP or crack maybe.

As for legality, I am decidedly pro-legalization. I don't care about what happens with crime rates or the economy from legalizing it, tbh. I want to be able to smoke without worrying about a fine. I also want it legal so that I don't run the risk of buying low-grade weed, or weed laced with some horrible drug that I have to deal with. I'm interested purely in my own safety.

Sorry this post kind of drags on and is mostly a "here's my life about weed," but it is what it is.
 
man, nwo where do you live?

'They get even more high, and soon enough, they're on the streets, beggin for money which they use to get more weed instead of food. Its fucking ridiculous.'

i've never even HEARD of this kinda shit being ANYWHERE

i had a friend who told me she had no money for food for the next fortnight, i offered to buy her $20 of groceries (rice, fruit, a little bit of meat, stuff that lasts a while - i used to have to eat off about $20 a week and know how to do it, but you get really sick of potatos) and she just asked for the cash to buy weed instead. i walked to the store to buy her food because she had flat out told me she would spend the money on weed and not food. it does happen; not as often as it does with alcohol or heroin, but it does happen.
 
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