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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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Probably I'd throw any shade at whoever I wanted to reach LYLO with me before LYLO happened, as long as there is anything to latch onto. Considering I didn't find anything about hawkie when he is scum, I doubt I could have found anything if he was village especially. But then the game might have gone completely differently. Otherwise, I put village first before my own team always, Yeti was correct in calling it method acting.
 
i think the reason i'm still alive was Moody targeted me N3 and no kill and the fact i tunnelled the absolute fuck out of texas + the whole "a global townread makes it to lylo must be scum!!" idea LightWolf probably wants u to have. I might be echoing what he said about me here but I townread him for most of the game (mostly due to the fact Blazade had similar voting patterns to me earlygame (most of which were scum).
Kinda bummed out at the fact I hardcore pushed for Texas for (what i thought was) bus preparation / wagon manipulation (to keep his scumbuddies alive while still scumreading them and just outright ignored Blazade/LW while they done the same. Confirmation bias is literally my worst enemy lmao

I still don't understand why a Knights/LW/Empoof or Fort/LW/Empoof LYLO doesn't make it easier for you LW but i guess i can sort of see why you done it. I think if you'd been in the game from the start and participated throughout I wouldn't be your LYLO pick but each to their own.
 
LightWolf said:
I'm upset it wasn't Knights, I hoped this would be over there, if only because this is gonna bee idiotic. All I can bring up against Hawkie is his 180 against Texas, and even then I read him positively, making it hard to justify anything against him. As for positives in favour of myself, I got nothing, I conclusively know, I'd have acted the same as scum so I dislike to play the village card when I know it's never true.
Vote hawkie

Feel free to ask me questions Empoof, if that helps you because my reads sure won't(though you can go over them, pages 98 and 195. Those might as well be ISOs for most of the game for me.)
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LightWolf said:
As I said I play a well thought through game, therefore I do not feel I've done anything that I'd not consider as a scum. At best you could have seen a townslip from me that I don't consider telling so didn't exactly think about.
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to clarify what i mean above in regards to LW's choice of LYLO opponent his strategy to win is to act Too Townie. These posts are really smart and i'm actually scared of how Empoof will react to more of these throughout this LYLO. I think he's trying to portray the image that he's a townie who after his scumread (Knights) flipped town has been forced to accept the fact one of his townreads (me) is now scum (((although this is true for both of us as i townread blaze/lw for the vast majority of the game))), and that's why he isn't attempting to build any kind of case of on me. I wish I could play like this.

LightWolf said:
I was still online when Yeti hammered, I didn't like it, especially considering how it turned out it was a mislynch. I kinda hoped in case Knights did turn out to be a mislynch, I had more to go off from Hawkie and Yeti's interactions that day. I felt I could easily hold up Yeti if she turned out to be the scum, for stiffling discussion yesterday, but then she kicked the bucket. I went sleeping at 4 AM, then at around 10 AM me and my sister rode off to shop and eat out, since both of us were free that day. We ate at Burger King. I didn't really think about the game, at least not to the who and why is scum sense. I got back home at little after 5 PM, where I dicker around till 7 after which I went sleeping so I could wake up for Walrus. Long story short, I got nada.
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i also feel like if yeti hadn't started to turn on me yesterday they wouldn't have died and it'd be LW/Yeti/Empoof. I didn't understand at first but I see where your kills are coming from now
 
Hawkie said:
unvote Walrein lynch Jalmont
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Hawkie said:
the creation of d1 drama is literally my only skill trained past novice in mafia
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Hawkie said:
we're lynching Jalmont then Josh the town Vigilante will shoot Blazade
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Hawkie said:
because they're both scum
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Hawkie said:
im leaning town on asek for being so invested in this day so far. it's a pretty shit reason but as we go on i'll reevaluate.
i'm neutral on Walrein, his description of what i was doing was 100% spot on plus my initial push on him was more for his reaction than anything else which i like so far.
i'm leaning scum on Haruno, Asek literally took the words out of my mouth. I didn't like his post before either as he asked "what the fuck was going on" when it takes around 60 seconds to read up 3 pages and familiarise urself w/ what went down (which is a really basic mafia skill at least in my opinion)

and of course obviously i hard scumread Blazade & Jalmont
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Former Hope said:
Hawkie said:
we're lynching Jalmont then Josh the town Vigilante will shoot Blazade
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followed by
Hawkie said:
and of course obviously i hard scumread Blazade & Jalmont
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What part of this reads as a joke post Texas Cloverleaf because I don't see any joking around here, he makes a claim that those two players are scum and follows up with it a few posts later, instead of a joke one post and abandoning the next or something that would imply he's not serious about it. Which is why I would be inclined to take his knowledge as a nooby scumslip potentially, or in a role where he's had a chance to figure out the matrix we're on.

I mean, okay, the josh = vig part is strange, but I still don't get the sense he's joking from those posts.
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Hawkie said:
omg thanks guys!!!



i literally posted this because i knew it would stir up something or other and looks like it worked out pretty nicely
i didnt have any kind of read on jalmont or blazade, they just weren't hella active. i know there were other targets but i literally just looked at the pl and picked 2 ppl i wanted to see more from.

i don't like former's entrance but i always SR him and i think it's just due to posting style so i'm going to leave that for now
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Hawkie said:
"and of course obviously i hard scumread Blazade & Jalmont" was tagged onto the end of a reads post where i gave reasoning for every other read. u do the math
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Former Hope said:
I don't see how that's relevant when trying to prove that you weren't just offhandedly joking about wanting to eliminate blazade and jalmont.
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Hawkie said:
... u still dont get it
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Former Hope said:
okay unvote, vote hawkie

Your backpedaling a ton after being called out on this, so please, feel free to go more into detail about this because I'm not buying your current excuses and useless subject baiting.
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Hawkie said:
omg lol

i dont understand how im backpedaling neither what i'm being "called out on"

at the start of the day i pressured walrein because i legit thought i was going somewhere w/ my read on him and it dissipated. i was refreshing and not much was happening so i looked through the pl (and clicked on their profiles -> recent activity) to see who had already posted and Jalmont's jumped out at me because it was a lynch post with little to no reasoning (at least that's what i thought at this point), similar sort of thing with Blazade. so i decided to start being pretty loud with an SR on both of them to see what it would turn up

on day one im usually really erratic and unorthodox because for me personally it works best to help me get my early reads out
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Hawkie said:
yeah the only reason im not lynching former is because the the last time i played w/ him turned out pretty much the same way this is going. He reads me for doing some questionable stuff D1 then I SR him because i think it's scum trying an easy push. Not going to rock this boat yet
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Blazade said:
Yo Hawkie after I made my second post I literally went to sleep so you can chill out lol. That said I loved you in that one NOC you were in here and it's good to see you back.

This is town Walrein. Maybe like 70% confidence since he seems to be motivated in the abstract and I haven't seen a scumgame from him in a while.

Willing to bet this is town Hawkie too, I like the balls so far.

Asek's post volume early breaks better for him on town games so like maybe 55% there.

Nothing stands out as suspicious as of yet.
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some d1 spice
 
i think from those quotes above it's pretty obvious i'm not scum since FH (who is known to make extremely scummy plays) tried to start a wagon on me when i expressed wanting Jalmont/Blazade dead and both of those players reacted overly defensive for my liking. If u want me to go further i can literally keep going till page 200
 
Hawkie said:
I still don't understand why a Knights/LW/Empoof or Fort/LW/Empoof LYLO doesn't make it easier for you LW but i guess i can sort of see why you done it. I think if you'd been in the game from the start and participated throughout I wouldn't be your LYLO pick but each to their own.
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I get the Fort LYLO scenario, but in what reality am I scum and get to lylo with knights? Anyways, the only way the kill progression matters is that either I picked it to frame you, or it was your only option.

I will be looking into the day before the night Moody jailed Hawkie to see if there is any justification visible as to why the scum(including blazade, because argument in this case is that hawkie was saved not blocked.) It's not damning, and it may hurt my chances if a justification is present, but it is the only avenue I could come up with.
 
Hawkie said:
You're trying to lead Empoof into believing that if you were scum you wouldn't put yourself into LYLO in the worst position

that's actuially brilliant
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You already essentially made this argument though:
+ the whole "a global townread makes it to lylo must be scum!!" idea LightWolf probably wants u to have.
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Same thing really, why are you acting like it's some brand new discovery?

In the end it's WIFOM, as I already said, either I am framing you, or you followed your only option, kill Yeti.
 
they explain the thing but "the whole "a global townread makes it to lylo must be scum!!" idea LightWolf probably wants u to have." was just me speculating on why i'm alive before i read through ur posts this day so far and came to this conclusion

"You're trying to lead Empoof into believing that if you were scum you wouldn't put yourself into LYLO in the worst position" is after me rereading your posts and figuring out your gameplan rather than just speculation
 
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