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NOC Matrix 12 NOC - Game Over, Mafia Wins

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And I do feel the need to ask what exactly is scum!me planning to do to get to lylo

Convince people to Lynch LW? Okay maybe. Great argument for it

Then knights? Alright sure

What then? How does scum!me ever win this game

There's a reason I'm trying defend myself more than anything else, it's because everyone in this game is mostly town, Poe is my only weapon, and I know I'm a goddamn mislynch!
this is one of the main problems i have with where i have placed my vote

you dont have a good shot in LYLO because you are in most everyone else's PoE pool and you havent pushed an unconventional read (yet) which you will obviously have to do in LYLO if you get there

maybe locktowning is part of your gambit and you're gonna leave the most likely person you think you can get empoof to flip on alive to the end and then be like "ive been bamboozled" which yea is what anyones gonna do in LYLO

i do think you have backed yourself into a corner if you are scum and it gives me great pause you'd knowingly do that, which is why i pointed out hawkie is the person keeping the most people in contention in his pool due to the lynch switching tho he seems to have locked down reads now
 
I have a midterm on Thursday and I'm super burned out from working the weekend, I won't be super active for EoD or anything and I'll probably just double check we aren't in a tied lynch
 
Walrus ducked up my sleep schedule heavily, I spent like whole yesterday asleep(woke up at 1 AM was like, shit I can't just stay up for 6 more hours till I have to go to work, forced myself back to sleep)

I'm gonna be catching up with what I missed then doing my promised re-read, first sustenance.
 
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And I do feel the need to ask what exactly is scum!me planning to do to get to lylo

Convince people to Lynch LW? Okay maybe. Great argument for it

Then knights? Alright sure

What then? How does scum!me ever win this game

There's a reason I'm trying defend myself more than anything else, it's because everyone in this game is mostly town, Poe is my only weapon, and I know I'm a goddamn mislynch!
Okay how does this not go for all three of us? Clearly if scum is in Me/Texas/Knights they haven't given up. If scum is in this batch the only way they can ever win is making it to lylo and then convincing Empoof(unless the slight chance exists empoof has lost his bpv already) that the other person is scum.

This is pure wifom.
 
tbh maybe one of moody's saves wasn't actually a save and the mafia now know FOR SURE they broke empoof's bpv

if they intend to kill him and put like, me and fort and TheScum in LYLO which would be much harder to tell between than just empoof picking on his own

that would explain why the PoE pool's scumreads only consist of each other

it just matters that the other two in the pool get lynched first
 
i mean they still prob lose sending any combo of me/hawkie/fort to LYLO with TheScum but like, it would at least open things up to needing to reconsider two people instead of the non-empoof town knowing TheScum is mafia at that point.

does that make sense that if empoof isnt in LYLO the two town who are there wont have that conftown safety net anymore
 
btw if the game gets to LYLO (like that) DO NOT VOTE

2 is majority there so you+scum = donezo if you're wrong

if LYLO is empoof + 1town + TheScum then 1town + TheScum should just vote each other and let empoof decide but if empoof isnt there, do not vote until you are absolutely sure

but hopefully this game ends before then PLS PLESSSSS
 
Personally though, there is someone I dislike more, now that I think about it.

Unvote Vote Texas Cloverleaf.

Stop stuffing your posts and start providing helpful thoughts.

Hitmon had TR'd him in his wallpost then ignored him up until now.
I buy ironic double and blazade as plausible partners, hawkie is still a top town read

ID i could see going for the hard bus given the lack of defense on or from leet, higher utility option, likely

don't think i see anyone else plausibly on the scum team atm, would need more flip info first

hmm i do see a scenario where ID is lock town though

tries to trade his goon for clearing his strongman
I don't see why you guys want Texas gone look at the lynch history do you really think Jalmont would lynch his own scum buddy twice in RVS...
King_ can you give me your read on MoodyCloud I know he won't be lynched today but I still prefer it

the only people who'd scumread Texas at this point were pancake + Yeti.

alright looked into a couple things and I don't think i'm comfortable lynching ironicdouble before hitmonleet. i think if hitmonleet flips scum there's enough reasoning below the surface to lock ID as town and as before if he flips town it makes asek more likely scum. for the time being unvote Vote Blazade
i guess it might make sense that former hope doesn't bus leet, ironic double subs in and then is told by the scumteam to start bussing leet on d2 and cooperates. this would explain why fh didnt rly touch leet and his sub has been parked on him.
i feel quite strongly this is not the case
true i've gave everyone my opinion yet no one cares to listen because there are "better players" than me and "bigger fish in the water" to catch
I think the main issue is that you're mostly saying "things" but you're not really talking to people. I believe pretty strongly that you should not be lynched before hitmonleet but I'm pretty we haven't actually spoken to each other before now
smells like coaching
as for how read the thread, i dont have time to go digging for twenty posts to quote atm

brief summary:

ID: resolve the tunnel, determine if he's hard bussing or town death tunnelling
me: this is a question for other people to answer yeah?
asek: flip can potentially give the first indicator of possible scum alignment
blazade: resolves possible scum buddy associations
josh: amalgamation of above
so

when josh tried to trap card texas with the "leet is confscum and thus can be lynched any day" and texas was like "Yeah totes"

that implies texas is fine with leet not being lynched today in favor of someone else, since leet is an easy lynch for him later

#1630 So if you're team reading me with ironicdouble or hitmonleet you must think one or both of them is scum right? Who do you think could be their partners in context of jalmont as a known partner? What things do you think would point to them as partners to me or as scum individually?


in unrelated news Unvote Vote IronicDouble

#1644 Right so we don't lynch hitmonleet today unless there is no better option available because he's confirmed scum who can die at literally any point remaining in the game

(#1645 is this moody post I dislike how the alternative to the Hitmonleet wagon appears to be Ironic double, I might want to just flip Blazade today and look at the people who pushed on Ironicdouble afterwards (I'm undecisive about Pancake, if Blazade flips scum I probably lynch that slot since he's been pushing the Ironic/Hitmonleet lynch pool))

#1654 I buy ironic double and blazade as plausible partners, hawkie is still a top town read

ID i could see going for the hard bus given the lack of defense on or from leet, higher utility option, likely

don't think i see anyone else plausibly on the scum team atm, would need more flip info first

#1655 hmm i do see a scenario where ID is lock town though

#1661 alright looked into a couple things and I don't think i'm comfortable lynching ironicdouble before hitmonleet. i think if hitmonleet flips scum there's enough reasoning below the surface to lock ID as town and as before if he flips town it makes asek more likely scum. for the time being unvote Vote Blazade

at the time this vote was made id had 3 votes: asek, myself, and texas. texas switches off putting id to 2. 2's a party, 3's a crowd.

#1801 fwiw i do agree with this, leet flip is the next piece of info i'm waiting on to start the next phase of the game

texas changes his vote to leet in 1813

when id has 3 votes both moody and texas express concern about it. texas switches his vote off to blazade soon after. moody's vote is now on ironicdouble, i want to go and see what his reasoning for that vote is when he says he wants blazade lynched more.

if texas is fine with lynching confscum leet later, he feels very... apathetic... about who to lynch today. he says it's the discovery period for lynches several hundred posts ago and then places a couple wagony votes before winding back up on the hitmonleet wagon. id and blazade both had 2 other votes when texas voted and leet is, of course, big wagon.

texas doesnt really drive anything on this day. i dont see him grilling id or blazade to flesh out if he actually likes them as lynches or not. he "looks into a couple things" and moves off id.

the dude is pretty active and prominent, josh and co have played with him more but do you see the above progression where texas feels leet is a solid bet on any day to lynch but doesn't take much active action to find another lynch today?

his progression in under 200 posts comes back to "i need leet's flip for info on the next phase" which feels extremely lackluster. texas has already stated he thinks leet is confirmed scum, now he needs hitmonleet's flip before he can figure out who else is a better option or partner? :thinking:

now he's voting leet.

i also see a subtle defense of ironicdouble by both moody and texas. texas actually votes id putting him at 3 total and then 31 posts later moves off id onto blazade.

does anyone else not understand at all how id is lock town based on leet scumflip? or any circumstance where id is lock town, really?

id is one of the people who has been pushing leet hard, and id subbed in d2. blazade was pushing/voting leet since d1. it makes no sense to me to think id could be lock town off leet flipping scum but also voting blazade. the fh half of the slot totally ignored leet afaik. and no mention of if hawkie would be lock town or suspicious in relation to leet as well by texas.

if 1 of id or texas is scum i would feel pretty confident the other is a partner. i dont see texas driving any discussion with his "confscum leet" who can be lynched on any day and he ultimately decides there are no better options to lynch besides leet today. the claim id would be lock town i need some Serious elaboration on to make sense.
I've literally said I strongly think ID should not be the lynch today in what world is that subtle
josh hmu in a couple days when you're ready to lynch yeti, she town told pretty strongly for a couple days but i'm pretty confident she's pushing scum agenda now

more homework :D if ur a townie read pls.
 
yeah or that

i can see a few scum partnerships that make A Lot Of Sense for texas to be one of it.

also good omgus which has been texas's main MO towards me since i subbed in. he parroted josh's claim my entrance was TERRIBLE and scummy and then townread me when i advanced my read on him to town and is now back on scumreading me when i take a closer look at his posts and find something suspicious.

idk texas is just boneheaded early-unclesam who did scumread anyone who scumread him bc he had it in his head HE WAS CONFTOWN WHY DOES NOBODY ELSE KNOW OR THINK THIS THEY MUST BE MAFIA RAAAAR or he just wants to discredit his detractors
 
Thanks for quoting the series in posts of order so that everyone can see exactly when I went back and found the former hope post that made me think he was the jailkeeper, that's quite appreciated

Apparently talking to a town read like they're people is coaching even though I'd been doing that all game with everyone else

Let's casually ignore that I was explicitly working for all of D4 and explicitly death Tunnelling yeti to resolve my read on her

As for pancake, i mean, his reads we're bad, and also wrong, so omgus feels pretty appropriate no?
 
My two lessons for takeaways from this game for town:

1. Don't be afraid to create and deconstruct wagons for fear of hammer, your vote is your best source of info gathering

2. Late game you can make a scum case on almost anyone, context, critical thinking, and motivations are what catch the scum, not content
 
So we're at this weir stage in the game where there's only one scum left and ~most people agree with the PoE pool

Basically comes down to how comfortable you are with your own reads and whether you think it's okay for xyz to win if you're wrong

This is my last game for a while so we Gucci I can leave on a yeti loss now that she's critically thinking and the flame is gone.
 
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