NOC Matrix 14 Mafia (Town Wins!)

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putting my support for an extension

energy is like my... 2nd or 3rd preferred lynch today but i haven't seen much of my other poe pool
 
Yeah energy is exactly me from 2d3 the way I scumread Hal and nuxl. He is scumreading towny people and no way scum ever does that. He knows he's not going to get a mislynch on Hal if he's scum? I know some people want to try flip him regardless but honestly we don't have the mislynch to spare, I'm pretty sure energy is town. Remember in his last game he scumread me and FH in lylo who were the towniest players at that time.

Also his point about viper sheeping is kinda valid, it is any easy as piss scum tactic despite me town reading viper. Viper as town can you please try provide a bit more?
Thank you man
 
We could spare a mislynch that game though, our situation is different here since there might be 2 scum kills.

If we had no player meta on energy I might consider this lynch but tbh this was exactly how he played as town last game so I'm pretty sure he's town again. It's the same logic I used with inferno, he acted kinds scummy but I knew he was town. If you use player meta as our resident player meta nerd Nuxl might, I don't think energy is ever a lynch here.

I am so sure there's a scum between asek and jal and they might even both be. Please can we lynch Asek today he hasn't even bothered defending himself after nearly getting lynched. He just went inactive. He's trying to coast under like he did in reinforcements and tbh town is letting him right now.

I can see it now already, scum is going to be so obvious all game but someone's going to throw at lylo again and town will lose. Please don't just lynch someone who's playing bad and doesn't know how to get a wagon off themselves rather than a player like asek who looks super scummy.
Ultimately, its not that I don’t know how to play, I’m just town and don’t have the game solved. If I was desperate to live, as you’ve pointed out, I play this entire day differently.
 
Part of me wants to believe that Hal is town. While I read his more recent posts I understand why he would want to vote me. However, I can’t get over the fact that he sheeped me day 1 then went straight after me. Additionally, to assume that I would tunnel and not change my opinion is rather silly.

Why don’t you try and pressure someone else and see where it goes because I think its obvious I’m town again.

I would be way more calculated as mafia, ive said it over and over
 

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Also asek has been almost lynched, been named potential scum by half the game and even asked for an extension, yet still not even had to defend himself? Can we please put some pressure on him?? Lmao, stop letting a scummy player slide on the radar especially a good one who is probably waiting to fuck us up in lylo.
 

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Also it probably looks like I'm tunneling a bit but honestly I feel like I need to so that asek doesn't slighter away, he's just not getting enough attention.
 
i like you and i believe your alignment but you have to look at the game through the lens of "what gives me the highest % of winning", not "how do i maximize the chances of lynching scum today"

these are two different questions

someone who's shortlist of scum includes me and oddish needs to leave

1. if this is 10-3 then we have 2 mislynches and a nl and so i'm more than happy to get this lynch out of the way sooner rather than later
2. if this is multiball then this is still a good lynch. like, here's the thing about multiball. power levels don't change that much in multiball. if scum is lynched, then nk's go towards towny people. if town is lynched, then nk's go towards scummy people. so i care a lot more about making sure the conditional benefit of players IF THEY WERE TOWN is high. energy in 4p/5p kingmaker goes insane and i don't want him there

i believe in this lynch and i'm not budging thank you next
 
i've given energy space to change his reads, i very strongly feel like i haven't forced him into a position of "sustain your scumread on apricity or lose". and these reads are just insane to me. it makes no sense.

and i think there IS a scum incentive here which is that his read on me is not an eruption of paranoia like dusk you were in 2d3. it stems from the first vote he made in this game which was on me, i town read him for that vote at the time, and then he's lazily been sustaining it, and if you go back to the post I made explaining what different alignments have in terms of their incentive to make "Weird Reads" this is at the very very least compatible with worlds in which energy is scum
 
i've given energy space to change his reads, i very strongly feel like i haven't forced him into a position of "sustain your scumread on apricity or lose". and these reads are just insane to me. it makes no sense.

and i think there IS a scum incentive here which is that his read on me is not an eruption of paranoia like dusk you were in 2d3. it stems from the first vote he made in this game which was on me, i town read him for that vote at the time, and then he's lazily been sustaining it, and if you go back to the post I made explaining what different alignments have in terms of their incentive to make "Weird Reads" this is at the very very least compatible with worlds in which energy is scum
this is the part of the game where apricity actively tries to convince himself he is right.

the last 6 pages have pretty much consisted of nuxl questioning me, apricity tunneling, and duskfall being rational. notice how oddish disappeared as well.

apricity why are you so positive oddish is town if infernodragon scum read him.
 
apricity why are you so positive oddish is town if infernodragon scum read him.
vote Hal/Viper

Here’s my thinking: Mafia’s worst fear during pre-dance is to be matched together. While if proposals are made randomly, mafia has low odds of being matched, if one mafia pretends to lead the town and picks the lovers, they guarantee they are not matched together. This is exactly what Hal did and we let them get away with it.

The other reason I see them as so suspicious is that they went for me immediately before I posted a word in the thread. This basically random attack combined with what they said to Viper in lovers chat makes me certain they are just maf trying to fool us into thinking we can trust them

Sorry Viper I am pretty sure you are town but you have to go
 

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