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Maximum Carnage Mafia - Avengers Win! (As well as Pidge and tredge)

Game Freak201 said:
I'm on the same faction as reachzero and will be posting on his behalf. First, he wants me to post his role PM.



Here is what he has to say:
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Why did you snip the role pm? If Reachzero is a villager or ally, then you should feel free to share the whole thing with us, or at least the faction name if you want to protect from the mafia.
 
hey guess don't consider lynching anyone yet. The reason mafia kidnapped reach instead of me is because i am being accused of being bad. It make more sense to kidnap reach plus he is smarter.

I'm just going to ask that anyone who hasn't contacted me should so i can form a good suspect for a lynch.

- from carnarge
 
macle said:
hey guess don't consider lynching anyone yet. The reason mafia kidnapped reach instead of me is because i am being accused of being bad. It make more sense to kidnap reach plus he is smarter.

I'm just going to ask that anyone who hasn't contacted me should so i can form a good suspect for a lynch.

- from carnarge
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Why don't you post your roll pm now since it's day one?
 
J-man said:
Why did you snip the role pm? If Reachzero is a villager or ally, then you should feel free to share the whole thing with us, or at least the faction name if you want to protect from the mafia.
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He probably cut them out so that the mafia is still in the dark, there's always the hope of inter-mafia crossfire. I don't see why he would snip the alliance name though, it's fairly obvious that that team is the Carnage Squad.

macle, I'll still need more proof before I claim to you. Post your role PM, or get an inspector who cleaned you to speak out.
 
tredge said:
I don't see why he would snip the alliance name though, it's fairly obvious that that team is the Carnage Squad.
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That's what I told him, but he told me to do it anyway. Here is something he wanted for me to post.

22:56 reachzero <DCJ> i am a double-sided character: green goblin - the iron patriot, my factions are: all three village factions - sinister 12, carnage, carnage squad
22:56 reachzero <DCJ> my win condition is something i've assumed is oddly unique
22:56 reachzero <DCJ> but i see it as a way for my to be a benefit to the entire village:
22:56 reachzero <DCJ> You win if the Sinister Twelve, Carnage, or the Carnage Squad wins.
22:57 reachzero "This is almost certainly a lie on DCJ's part."
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Anyways, reachzero can still talk on IRC if you wish to contact him.
 
Following the previous sentiments:

I agree heavily with reachzero that macle should not be lynched. The chances that he is actually Carnage are high enough for them to not be ignored. Losing the village "leader" would be a heavy loss for the us this early, even with Carnage's explosive composure. On the flip side:

macle, you should reveal your Role PM. Having some "solid" evidance would really solidify the village. reachzero disclosed his to shed us some light so I suggest you do the same.

edit: I assure you my faction reveal with reachzero is NOT A LIE. If it comes to it I can post my Role PM, but I depend on you to see I can be a vital tool for the village to use. Being a member of all three factions keeps me in limbo to be a concrete partner for the entire village.
 
22:56 reachzero <DCJ> i am a double-sided character: green goblin - the iron patriot, my factions are: all three village factions - sinister 12, carnage, carnage squad
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I was under the impression that carnage was a one man faction allied with the main two factions...
 
I gotta hit the hay very soon.... i'm just posting this chat i had with reachzero... i feel like i'm not contributing much...

<reachzero> hello J-man
<J-man> ?
<reachzero> regarding Maximum Carnage Mafia
<J-man> are you allowed to speak?
<reachzero> I would like very much to know your role name and alliance
<reachzero> on IRC, yes
<reachzero> not in the thread
<J-man> ...
<J-man> Who are you first
<reachzero> <reachzero> so, since I've been kidnapped, it means that I can't post in the thread, no doubt...?
<reachzero> <RB-Golbat> si
<reachzero> <reachzero> cool
<reachzero> we'll trade information through a neutral intermediary
<J-man> You first
<J-man> i already gave info to macle
<J-man> and
<J-man> i'm
<J-man> regretting it
<reachzero> since if I tell you my alliance straight-up, you can just claim the opposite
<reachzero> and vice-versa
<J-man> you go first
<reachzero> yeah, I don't trust macle
<reachzero> here's the gameplan
<reachzero> we choose someone who isn't in the game (I'll let you choose)
<J-man> ?
<reachzero> we each tell him/her our role name and alliance
<reachzero> then he/she will pass on the info
<J-man> we can exchange PMs now that it is day 1
<J-man> oh wait
<reachzero> you see what I'm saying?
<reachzero> the issue is that this should be simultaneous
<J-man> you can exchange role pms
<J-man> it's day 1
<reachzero> I know
<J-man> and golbat said you couldn't talk on the forums
<reachzero> sigh
<reachzero> I think you still don't get it
<J-man> i'm being defensive
<J-man> i gave my info out
<J-man> there are to people vying for leadership
<J-man> two*
<J-man> one could be mafia
<reachzero> well, on the one hand I don't trust macle, but on the other I am by no means convinced he is actually mafia
<J-man> flavor?
<J-man> you go first
<reachzero> not giving out flavor, sorry
<J-man> then no info
<J-man> i'm willing
<reachzero> fair enough
<reachzero> though in the process, I'm sure you're aware that that makes you very suspicious
<J-man> i have a role pm
<J-man> i can post it
<J-man> What's your faction?
<reachzero> I want to know yours as well
<reachzero> we can tell each other simultaneously
<J-man> you first
<J-man> 1
<J-man> 2
<reachzero> though an intermediary
<J-man> no
<J-man> if you want to do this, you'll do it now
<J-man> if you wanted the village to trust you, you wouldn't have snipped your faction
<J-man> from the role pm
<reachzero> um
<reachzero> you understand WHY I did that, right?
<J-man> no
<reachzero> it's because once I claim one, you can just claim the other
<J-man> i understand why you snipped your teammates
<J-man> not your faction
<J-man> look
<J-man> i can be your friend
<J-man> or your enemy
<reachzero> lol
<J-man> you choose
<reachzero> you are already acting as my enemy
<J-man> i want to know who you are
<J-man> and am willing to give you my info
<reachzero> and I also happen to know that you have already refused to claim to a member of the village faction that is not mine
<J-man> ??
<J-man> who?
<reachzero> :)
<J-man> you?
<reachzero> I see
<reachzero> I am told that you claimed The Beetle
<J-man> ?
<J-man> Who told you?
<reachzero> :)
<J-man> Tell
<reachzero> okay
<reachzero> macle
<J-man> ?!
<J-man> wait
<J-man> i'm so confused
<J-man> macle must be some sort of inspector...


The people i suspect right now are

~macle
~Reachzero
~Game_Freak201


Of course, this is coming from a noobs mouth... Feel free to flame if you like. see ya tomorrow. I have play practice and i needs the sleep.

Edit: Finn is off, as i chatted with him... Macle is no inspector cause i told him who i am...

i still highly suspect Game_Freak201 and Reachzero though.
 
Here is DCJ's role PM that reachzero provided for me:
RB Golbat said:
Reading Time! (Note: you start off as the Green Goblin)

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Green Goblin's Role PM:

Dear DCJ,


You are Norman Osborn. You created the Green Goblin as a way to overpower Spider-Man and defeat him. However, every attempt has ended unsuccessfully. You originally could control yourself, but lately, you have been losing control of your sanity, and will revert to the Green Goblin when you lose control. In your endeavors to beat Spidey, you're happy to co-exist with your fellow Sinister Twelve and Carnage and his crew. He will finally see his fate with them at your side.

You may send a PM to RB Golbat and Dubulous titled "Night x - Give <user> a Shock." That night, you will grab that user by the shoulders, sending 1000 volts of electricity through their body. The shock will render that user unconscious long enough for them to be incapacitated during lynch time.

Alternatively, instead of sending in a night action mentioned above, you can send in a PM to RB Golbat and Dubulous stating "Night x - Taking my meds". As day breaks, you will regain your sanity and become The Iron Patriot.

In addition, you are holding the Pumpkin Bomb, which makes you immune to one Lynch.

You win if Sinister Twelve or Carnage or the Carnage Squad win.

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The Iron Patriot's Role PM:

Dear DCJ,

You are Norman Osborn. When under control of your sanity, you are the Iron Patriot, the leader of H.A.M.M.E.R. You "borrowed" Tony Stark's Iron Man armor to make your own suit. With all these "powers" free to roam, the world you are trying to set up is in danger of falling apart. As such, you will not rest till every other person with powers is captured or eliminated. However, Spider-Man is taking higher priority on your kill-list. Allying with the Sinister Twelve and Carnage hopefully ensures his ultimate demise.

You can force one of your minions in H.A.M.M.E.R. to secretly cast a ballot identical to yours in the lynch.

Alternatively, instead of sending in a day action mentioned above, you can send in a PM to RB Golbat and Dubulous stating "Day x - Forgetting to Take Meds." As night falls, you will lose your sanity and become the Green Goblin.

In addition, you are holding the Pumpkin Bomb, which makes you immune to one Lynch.

You win if Sinister Twelve or Carnage or the Carnage Squad win.
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If anyone is to be suspected of mafia right now, J-man, its you.

You seem deeply nervous and erratic. Why would a village-alligned player be so defensive while conversing with a player who is almost certainly village? He posted his Role PM. He's been silenced by the mafia in an attempt to disrupt the village. If you don't feel safe complying to the only "safe" leader behind the village at the moment, all we can assume is that you aren't a member of the village.

[20:26:32] <DCJ> if you want to talk about lynch suspects
[20:26:51] <DCJ> j-man sure caught my attention through that log he just posted
[20:26:59] <reachzero> haha no kidding
[20:27:07] <reachzero> he and Pidge are right at the top of my list
 
fine i'll post it tomorrow. I need to go to bed. ps: i have exams this week so i'll be kinda busy.

anyway don't do anything rash village. I got suspects i'm gonna beat up in the morning.
 
Hi guys. posting for activity.

I agree with reachzero that we should be wary of Pidge. His unwillingness to show information seems to show that he is a mafia/neutral that hasn't figured out what his fake role name is yet. I think that Pidge should publicly explain himself or claim to reachzero or macle.

I feel no need to publicly share my role name and faction, as there is no guarantee that anyone else will give theirs. With that said, I am perfectly happy to trade faction and role name with anyone who agrees to use a third party candidate to send them simultaneously.

You don't need to do this if you have already claimed to macle or reachzero, as I have trust in them.

Good luck everyone.

EDIT: okay missed some stuff. I am going to openly claim Sinister Twelve (as anyone non-Carnage Squad would do), but I would still be interested in exchanging role name info, as I would like to unite our faction.
 
I'd excuse J-man's behavior. He's still fresh, having to get subbed out of his first mafia. It's right for him to be suspicious of moles, as he tried to mole the village in his last game. I have talked with him and I believe that he is clean, just hesistant to trust others. I have already claimed to reachzero and macle.
 
This is my first forum mafia and I'm only a couple days into my #fluodome mafia career but I haven't acted like J-man has. J-man may be a villager but we have no real reason to suspect him of being a villager when most of us seem to think he's acting like a mafia member. There are only two ways to tell if he is village or not. One is lynching him, the other is inspecting him. And for someone who is showing suspicious behavior, I would not want the inspector to come out publicly and say if he is clean or not, because then we may lose the inspector. And then we get into the whole "inspector cleaned me and i'm speaking for him" scenario that any mafia member can fake. I'm not saying we should lynch J-man yet, all I'm saying is that he should definitely be on our list of viable targets.
 
After reading everything, I guess the only way we can go is:

No Lynch

unless somebody gets some really good, solid information.

EDIT: Reachzero says no, so I'll listen to him for now. Might change later depending on how the day turns out. Let's wait for GF201 to tell us what to do and decide.

EDIT2: Just talked to him and...

<reachzero> but we have a confirmed baddie to lynch
<Kharozz> ooooh really?
<reachzero> yes indeed
<Kharozz> and how did that happen?
<reachzero> Game Freak will post it next time he's on
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No Lynch

Just in case mafia try a stealth lynch. Should there be relatively conclusive proof on anybody, we can go from there.

I'll see if I can contact reach tomorrow for name/flavor exchange.

EDIT: Changed vote.
 
I concur with Kharozz at the moment with a No Lynch. I'm still a bit hesistant on J-man. I still believe that he's just a nervous villager, but then again who knows. Reachzero/macle you might want to double check his post to make sure he's clean
 
MAFIA FOUND

Gigantic Edit:

Attention all villagers: After discussion with Kharozz, we have heavy heavy suspicion that reachzero, Game_Freak201, Anachronism, and a final fourth but unknown member are ALL MAFIA.

Posted below is a log of myself explaining to Kharozz all points of mafia suspicion:

Session Start: Sun Jan 17 22:33:37 2010
Session Ident: Kharozz
[22:33] Session Ident: Kharozz (synIRC, DCJ) (~Kharozz@synIRC-1B07CD98.bchsia.telus.net)
[22:33] <Kharozz> look at my post edit
[22:36] <DCJ> i'd recommend not listening to reachzero
[22:36] <Kharozz> as I said
[22:36] <Kharozz> let's wait a bit
[22:36] <DCJ> he's very suspiciously mafia-leaning
[22:36] <Kharozz> until day comes
[22:37] <Kharozz> may I ask, how is he suspiciously mafia-leaning?
[22:37] <DCJ> for one i believe his faction is entirely comprised of millers
[22:38] <DCJ> he seemed eager to get inspected
[22:38] <DCJ> and also snipped his faction out of his pm
[22:38] <DCJ> also
[22:38] <DCJ> the whole point of mafia is uninformed majority vs. informed minority
[22:38] <DCJ> why would he have teammates listed in his pm
[22:38] <Kharozz> meh
[22:38] <Kharozz> but think about it
[22:38] <DCJ> unless he's mafia
[22:39] <Kharozz> what would you do if you were reach?
[22:39] <Kharozz> you'd have to snip obviously
[22:39] <Kharozz> you don't want to tell everybody your team
[22:39] <DCJ> no no no no
[22:39] <DCJ> you
[22:39] <DCJ> you're not getting the point
[22:39] <DCJ> villagers are UNINFORMED
[22:39] <Kharozz> yeah...?
[22:39] <DCJ> THEY HAVE NO CLUE WHO THEIR ALLIES ARE
[22:40] <DCJ> BUT REACH HAD ALLIES LISTED IN HIS PM
[22:40] <Kharozz> well, this is carnage mafia :/
[22:40] <Kharozz> every mafia could be weird
[22:40] <Kharozz> The Sinister Twelve, Carnage, and The Carnage Squad are the Village
[22:40] <Kharozz> The Avengers, Spider-Man, and The Slingers are the Mafia
[22:40] <Kharozz> it's weird
[22:40] <DCJ> i have more notes listed in a log
[22:40] <DCJ> let me show you more
[22:40] <Kharozz> ok
[22:40] <DCJ> if you want my honest input
[22:40] <Kharozz> sure.
[22:41] <DCJ> reachzero, Game_Freak201, and Anachronism are mafia
[22:41] <DCJ> but let me grab the log
[22:41] <Kharozz> okay
[22:43] <DCJ> okay
[22:43] <DCJ> at this point i notice game_freak201 was offline
[22:44] <DCJ> so i attempted to bluff out info to reach hoping for him to send out another of his <snips>
[22:44] <Kharozz> okay...

[22:44] <DCJ> [21:10] <reachzero> so yeah, sorry
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:11] <DCJ> its fine
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:11] <DCJ> i guess itll had to be done to keep me in the village
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> I would have asked for it anyway
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> but yeah, not it's pretty much necessary
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> *now
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:12] <DCJ> okay
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:19:02] <DCJ> so tell me if im wrong:
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:22] <DCJ> [21:19:18] <DCJ> when an item is sent to a user, yet is killed the same period
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:22] <DCJ> [21:19:26] <DCJ> the item still goes to the late user
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:21:01] <RB-Golbat> yes
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:21:06] <RB-Golbat> but they get it after they die
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:23] <DCJ> maybe i should just send it to him and kill him
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Close: Sun Jan 17 21:23:28 2010

[22:44] <DCJ> Session Start: Sun Jan 17 21:24:04 2010
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Ident: reachzero
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <reachzero> whoa
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <DCJ> sorry
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <reachzero> I totally don't understand
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <DCJ> different game
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:25] <DCJ> just disregard that
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Close: Sun Jan 17 21:29:17 2010
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[22:44] <DCJ> i told him that little snip of killing hoping for him to tell someone and then for that person to post
[22:44] <DCJ> i got close
[22:45] <Kharozz> i see
[22:45] <DCJ> http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2421856&postcount=116
[22:45] <DCJ> "Last edited by Anachronism; Jan 17th, 2010 at 9:40:31 PM."
[22:45] <Kharozz> oh hum
[22:45] <Kharozz> HO HUM
[22:45] <DCJ> he edited with something along the lines of "edit2: just got some new info from reach DCJ is a high suspect now, gamefreak will explain, etc."
[22:45] <DCJ> so obviously
[22:46] <DCJ> anacronism is a member of reach's mafia
[22:46] <DCJ> how else would he know
[22:46] <Kharozz> you make a great point
[22:46] <DCJ> he posted he HIGHLY SUSPECTED ME
[22:46] <DCJ> but when he asked you all reach said was:
[22:46] <Kharozz> with no reason at all
[22:46] <DCJ> "wait for game freak"

[22:46] <Kharozz> <Kharozz> how does DCJ not appear trustworthy?
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Anachronism> uh
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Kharozz> >.>
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Anachronism> I don't really want to tell anyone why right now
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Anachronism> but trust me
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Anachronism> he is suspicious
[22:46] <Kharozz> <Kharozz> ok.
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[22:46] <DCJ> SEE
[22:47] <DCJ> ALL THREE OF THEM ARE MAFIA
[22:47] <Kharozz> we can't confirm that
[22:47] <Kharozz> but it's most likely
[22:47] <DCJ> why cant we
[22:47] <Kharozz> that they work together
[22:47] <DCJ> we just did
[22:47] <DCJ> im going to post this log
[22:47] <Kharozz> HOLD ON
[22:47] <Kharozz> lemme look this over
[22:47] <Kharozz> first again
[22:47] <Kharozz> and again
[22:47] <Kharozz> don't be so rash
[22:47] <DCJ> me too
[22:47] <Kharozz> this is mafia
[22:47] <Kharozz> every step is crucial
[22:47] <Kharozz> okay
[22:47] <Kharozz> ?
[22:47] <DCJ> yeah
[22:47] <Kharozz> okay so just wait for me
[22:48] <DCJ> but you see my points dont you
[22:48] <DCJ> its blatantly obvious
[22:48:55] <Kharozz> yes I do
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Is there any other explanation? We must decide a course of action.
 
Well fuck, guys, you have forced our hand.

I have been contacting reachzero. I have already openly claimed Sinister Twelve. He has openly claimed Carnage Squad. (Kharozz has claimed NOTHING). Before we both openly claimed we had decided to try to unite our two villages because at the time we were a bit suspicious of macle.

ANYWAY, reachzero told me about this part of those logs:

[22:44] <DCJ> [21:10] <reachzero> so yeah, sorry
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:11] <DCJ> its fine
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:11] <DCJ> i guess itll had to be done to keep me in the village
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> I would have asked for it anyway
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> but yeah, not it's pretty much necessary
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:11] <reachzero> *now
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:12] <DCJ> okay
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:19:02] <DCJ> so tell me if im wrong:
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:22] <DCJ> [21:19:18] <DCJ> when an item is sent to a user, yet is killed the same period
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:22] <DCJ> [21:19:26] <DCJ> the item still goes to the late user
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:21:01] <RB-Golbat> yes
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:22] <DCJ> [21:21:06] <RB-Golbat> but they get it after they die
[22:44] <DCJ> [01:23] <DCJ> maybe i should just send it to him and kill him
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Close: Sun Jan 17 21:23:28 2010

[22:44] <DCJ> Session Start: Sun Jan 17 21:24:04 2010
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Ident: reachzero
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <reachzero> whoa
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <DCJ> sorry
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <reachzero> I totally don't understand
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:24] <DCJ> different game
[22:44] <DCJ> [21:25] <DCJ> just disregard that
[22:44] <DCJ> Session Close: Sun Jan 17 21:29:17 2010

Here was our thinking AT THE TIME:

Reachzero found the part about killing game_freak to be very suspicious, and told me about it. We both suspected at this point that DCJ was wolf as opposed to a villlage-aligned Green Goblin. I mean really, is it likely that something that sends 10,000 volts of electricity at someone (part of his role pm) is a silencing role? no. We thought he probably doctored it. Also, obviously being carnage squad / carnage / sinister 12 aligned is very odd in a game that is likely split up as follows:

1 Carnage
1 Spiderman
4 Carnage Squad
12 Sinister 12
4 Avengers
4 Slingers
3 neutrals
=29

obviously there isn't much room for people who are village-aligned but not on a designated team.

After all that happened I had posted my suspicions about DCJ when I had an idea. That log above was about giving away the pumpkin bomb(an item that supposedly makes him lynch-proof once) to game_freak to prove his identity. So I thought to myself: why don't we just bring him up as suspicious once he has removed his lynch-proofing? We could tell him to prove he had the pumpkin bomb during the day so that "thieves couldn't steal it" and then lynch him then and there.

I told reachzero to have game_freak NOT post, and also quickly retracted my edit, hoping no one would see it. Unfortunately they did.

So, I am not sure what to do at this point. You guys have fucked over our plans to remove a possible wolf. Well done. Go ahead and lynch me if you want, but don't you admit that that extract of the log is suspicious? I think that DCJ is probably either a really dumb wolf or a villager that has decided to cover his ass after giving a full role pm like that to people.

Better yet, DCJ just said something stupid in a post to reachzero and we are all village aligned.

I guess I will show my role pm, because I have nothing to lose at this point. Its a useless role anyway.

RB Golbat said:
Dear Anachronism,

You are The Sandman. You are one of Spider-Man's more reluctant villains, usually committing crimes only to help your family. Recently, your daughter has become ill again, and you have been promised enough money to help her if you join the Sinister Twelve.

You are made of sand. As a result you are immune to night actions involving projectiles.

<snip>

You win if The Sinister Twelve eliminate all unfriendly threats.
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The snipped part is a restriction to the previous ability that I don't care to share right now. You can at least give me that...

What is with this trend of posting logs that make YOU look more suspicious than anyone else? It needs to end now. Hopefully we both over-reacted a bit here. I am very confident in fact that this was just a big mistake on both of our parts.

Anyway, I can't say for sure if anyone is mafia. I think I may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time...and I assume the same is true for reachzero and DCJ/Kharozz.

reachzero has gone to bed. Expect something from him tomorrow too.
 
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