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Medicham

Sung-Hyun Jin

I have been using Medicham with great affection in OU...cuz it kinda resembles my traits...It is one of the few fighters who can use magic coat. I like using it, and it is just how I use it. It doesn't mean it's really recommendable so don't be offended.

Medicham
Pure Power @ Kasib Berry, Adamant
158HP/100 Atk/252 SpD
Hi Jump Kick/Drain Punch
Bulk Up
Magic Coat
Zen Headbutt/Recover

This is quite useful for stallbreaking. Magic coat bounces off any Taunts and Will-o-wisps aimed at it. In case of sableye you can just magic coat will-o-wisp and run away. Recoil can be really painful so Recover or Drain punch can take place. If you have zen headbutt with Kasib berry you can kill scarfed Chandelure with one bulk up done in switch in, but still have to watch out for ghosts. Actually Chandelure is a death to it... Anyway It takes timid life orb latias's draco meteor as I know. But I don't use it in front of them... it is just for phazing hippowdon, skarms, and so on, and it can set up pretty well before them. It is quite weak, but it can shrug off damages from stallers or mediocre attackers. Or it can kill it back. 80 speed, even if it is not invested with EVs and natures, is quite much for the stallers. It can use bulk up in front of them and shrug off damages.

Actually I found power trick really useful on it. It can use its defense stat to be doubled by Pure power after some bulk ups

Medicham
Pure Power @ Kasib berry, Adamant
252 HP/252 Def
200 HP/108 Def/200 SpD

Power Trick
Bulk up
Drain punch/Hi Jump Kick
Zen Headbutt/Baton Pass/Recover

It works pretty well. Setting up in front of mediocre attackers. After a bulk up in switch in of physical counters, it can shrug off most of the attacks. even if not invested, attack stat is pretty good due to Pure Power. After some bulk ups, you can power trick, and maybe baton pass it.

Any recommendations?
 
Medicham is outclassed by Gallade at Bulk Up. Gallade has the EXACT same typing, Drain Punch, but can use Shadow Sneak on faster enemies.

Did you ACTUALLY try Power Trick? It doesn't work like that. Power Trick iirc swaps the UNBOOSTED stats.
 
I always thought that Power Trick swaps the user's Attack and Defense stats, while the Attack and Defense boosts are still applied to their stat, but i could be wrong.

TM13IceBeam said:
Medicham is outclassed by Gallade at Bulk Up.
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Well, with Pure Power, wouldn't Medicham have an much higher Attack than Gallade?
 
Gallade doesn't exactly outclass Medicham; it's only one functionality you talked about. Fact is with Huge Power, you'll be coming off of a humongous base attack that won't require set up and can easily allow for a scarf/revenge set
 
Whimsicott said:
Gallade doesn't exactly outclass Medicham; it's only one functionality you talked about. Fact is with Huge Power, you'll be coming off of a humongous base attack that won't require set up and can easily allow for a scarf/revenge set
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The point is that Medicham isn't the one to stay in for long battles. She's not as bulky as Gallade. Frankly though, Azumarill is better for revenge killing because the priority is STABbed and hits a lot of stuff harder despite the lower Attack.
 
Although I agree that Gallade is better than Medicham, that doesn't mean it outclasses it.

Attack that's likenable to base 170 is something that makes medicham stand out. In addition, it also has the wonder of Hi Jump Kick in its possesion. Basically, scout for ghosts and then the damage taht you can do with scarf is (theoretically, at least, lol) obscene.

A very basic set of HJK/Trick/Zen Headbutt/Fire Punch would seem good. Pity that Medicham doesn't have anything to hit Psychic-types with.
 
Choice Scarf Medicham isn't outclassed by Gallade.

Also, you don't need to scout for ghosts before spamming Hi-Jump Kick, as Team Preview does that for you.
 
TM13IceBeam said:
The point is that Medicham isn't the one to stay in for long battles. She's not as bulky as Gallade. Frankly though, Azumarill is better for revenge killing because the priority is STABbed and hits a lot of stuff harder despite the lower Attack.
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Gallade and Medicham are two completely different Pokemon. Yes Gallade is more bulky and no it doesn't outclass. Medicham is designed to hit and run. And saying Azumarill hits harder is not quite true; Medicham has the strongest non-boosted (Pure Power doesn't count) High Jump Kick in the whole game.
 
I think the point of using medicham is not staying in the battle for a long time. Medicham is to hit back hard and get some pokemon out of the battle. I really wanted to use power trick and magic coat altogether so I had to use drain punch for recovery. But I think I can use hi jump kick with recover instead of drain punch + magic coat. And I tried power trick. Yes, it swaps the atk and def stats, but the pure power boost does not get swapped. It does work like that. The def stat goes to atk stat and get boosted by pure power. I don't know about the setup boost get swapped but it doesn't matter because bulk up raises both atk and def stats. Do you know SlayerS_HaxeR who uses cham lead? That's me.
 
Gallade is bulkier. But Medicham has some niche over it-Nice attacking power, strong move, and access to recover and power trick. Also, Shadow sneak can take down weakened foes, but it only takes down SEVERELY weakened foes. I don't use bullet punch or fake out on my cham either.
 
Medicham is way too frail to use Recover effectively or for a 2 turn set up (Bulk Up + power Trick) and it also wastes a move slot. I think the best way to use it is either Choiced sets to Revenge Kill or break walls.
 
Gallade seems way better with bulk up... It has way better defenses, and recover doesn't matter when there's drain punch (and medicham's special defense will not be boosted by the bulk ups so...)

Medicham should be doing hit and run. This means Band and Scarf sets are best. High Jump kick was an awesome addition that might make medicham more viable.

The other set that could be interesting was the set popular in 4th gen nu. Life orb with fake out, bullet punch, and 2 other moves.
 
A few people here have stated it perfectly. Medicham just can't stay in and wall - it doesn't have the defenses, even with Bulk Up. It should be going in, quickly hitting something with its massive Attack, and switching out.
 
It might be enough for Medicham to one turn setup when it forces switch, to endure one hit with recoverable HP left from strong attackers such as unboosted Excadrill and hit back hard. Also bulk up medicham is for stallers. I know medicham cannot stand a chance against strong attackers boosting up. Choice sets are good for hit and run with decent speed. But Bulk up is also good for endure, hit back and kill, and run, if it is not a flying type or psychic type. It is not THAT frail when you invest some EVs in durability. It can take some stallers' mediocre attacks with a bulk up, which usually goes first when fighting a bulky by slow stallers.
 
Medicham isn't "enduring" anything with 60/75/75 defenses. Even unboosted physical attacks still have a good chance to take him out. Also, with his glass-cannon-ness, he needs all the Speed he can get, meaning that you have to sacrifice his usefulness to bulk him up.
 
Well almost anything would endure with a bulk up got from opponent's switching turn if the opponent is non-boosted. It can be too frail if not given EVs to its durability. Actually you are right-Medicham is not enduring anything so well. It loses like 50 to 60 percent HP from strong attacks(around base 100) even with bulk up and specially based defense EVs. That is why this is for stallers for mediocre attacks. I don't do, and recommend you use it to wall strong attacks. It is to use stallers as setup fodder or kill them, which choiced sets would not do because of all the legendaries and beasts used in walling. After using stallers as setup fodder, it does not die that easily. Medicham is not an OU, even if I use it in OU. Strong attack-this is all medicham has got. 80 speed is not so much to outspeed faster things, even with scarf, because there are many more scarfers, dragon dancers, agility/rock polish users, and so on. Even if it has huge attack, its raw power is walled by so much things, as all other raw powers are. Even if it 2HKOes many things, it does not OHKO so much. Prediction is not that easy, and opponent can also predict. So I wanted to make use of its high attacks to kill bulky stallers, boosting up. I gave up killing strong attackers, because it is so outclassed for doing it. Using its high attack, which is all it has, it can break through walls. uninvested 80 speed is not so bad when facing slow stallers which are usually below 70.
 
dude what, I have been saying that Gallade outclasses Medicham at Bulk Up, that's it. ._.

Also a good player will not let you setup period, you prolly need Wobbuffet to help.
 
Yeah I think ur right. Medicham has many counters, and that would not let me setup. That is why I have scarftrick gengar, specially defensive magnezone and so on. Gallade does better bulk up. It is just the sheer power of medicham I want to use over gallade in bulk up. I like getting throgh walls with sheer power even if it just one pokemon. It does not have to be so bulky because I am gonna use it against bulky stallers and mediocre attackers. Excadrill I said before was not even in the target. Several targets I use it against includes:

Chansey, Blissey, Ferrothorn, Porygon2, Forretress, Abomasnow, Hippowdon, Vaporeon(hard, cuz of acid armour), Lanturn, Tyranitar, maybe severly damaging skarm, Conkeldurr, Gallade...

But I always get to use it in front of gengar, reuniclus, espeon, excadrill, thundurus...wtf...
 
311 HP 201 Atk 239(?)SpD with 200/110/200 Adamant investment. In power trick set 311 HP 210 Def 249(?)SpD with same EV with Careful nature. It actually doesn't ROCK, but can deal with something in OU.
 
Sung-Hyun Jin said:
Yeah I think ur right. Medicham has many counters, and that would not let me setup. That is why I have scarftrick gengar, specially defensive magnezone and so on. Gallade does better bulk up. It is just the sheer power of medicham I want to use over gallade in bulk up. I like getting throgh walls with sheer power even if it just one pokemon. It does not have to be so bulky because I am gonna use it against bulky stallers and mediocre attackers. Excadrill I said before was not even in the target. Several targets I use it against includes:

Chansey, Blissey, Ferrothorn, Porygon2, Forretress, Abomasnow, Hippowdon, Vaporeon(hard, cuz of acid armour), Lanturn, Tyranitar, maybe severly damaging skarm, Conkeldurr, Gallade...

But I always get to use it in front of gengar, reuniclus, espeon, excadrill, thundurus...wtf...
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