Doubles Mega Latias [QC 2/2] [GP 2/2]

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[OVERVIEW]

Great bulk, nice Speed tier, and access to reliable recovery make Mega Latias a threatening Calm Mind sweeper. These factors as well as Levitate also allow Mega Latias to consistently check notable threats like Landorus-T, Mega Charizard Y, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence even without needing a boost. However, Mega Latias is hopelessly walled by Dark-types like Incineroar and Tyranitar as well as nearly any Steel-type. Its damage output is somewhat disappointing when unboosted, too. Also, Mega Latias faces competition as a Calm Mind sweeper from Cresselia because the latter doesn't take the Mega slot and boasts higher bulk.

[SET]
name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Psyshock
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Calm Mind
move 4: Roost
item: Latiasite
ability: Levitate
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 84 SpA / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Psyshock is chosen over Psychic to ease Mega Latias's time against Tapu Fini and Chansey and give Mega Latias better chances of winning Calm Mind wars against Tapu Fini and Cresselia. Ice Beam turns Mega Latias into a sturdy check to the likes of Landorus-T and Zygarde. Calm Mind allows Mega Latias to act as a sweeper and generally boosts its offensive presence. Roost lets Mega Latias check various threats more consistently and gives it more setup opportunities.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread and a Timid nature allow Mega Latias to outpace Kyurem-B and OHKO most Zygarde variants with an unboosted Ice Beam, while the leftover EVs are dumped into Defense. Maximizing its Speed will let Mega Latias outpace Kartana, making it even better check to Kartana. This comes at the cost of bulk, however.

Usage Tips
========

Mega Latias's aim is to pull of a sweep late-game when its answers like Incineroar, Mega Metagross, and Aegislash are severely weakened or completely eliminated. However, you can use Mega Latias to check the likes of Landorus-T and Mega Salamence at any point of the battle. Keep Mega Latias healthy so it can check various threats more consistently and secure more setup opportunities. Avoid status from the likes of Chansey and Porygon2 at all cost, since it prevents Mega Latias from successfully checking threats and sweeping the opposing team.

Team Options
========

Ground-types like Landorus-T and Zygarde are amazing teammates because they put a lot of pressure on Mega Latias's anwers like Incineroar and Mega Metagross; additionally, Landorus-T provides Intimidate support to Mega Latias. Fire-types such as Incineroar and Volcanion can break past Steel-types as well, with the former also boasting Intimidate to help Mega Latias further, while Fairy-types like Tapu Fini threaten Dark-types. Speed control from the likes of Zapdos and Kartana helps Mega Latias set up and sweep the opposing team. Fake Out support from Pokemon such as Incineroar and Zeraora gives Mega Latias more setup opportunities and free turns, as does Intimidate support.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Dragon Pulse hits the likes of Incineroar and Tyranitar for neutral damage, but Ice Beam is usually preferred because it lets Mega Latias beat Pokemon like Landorus-T, Kartana, and Tapu Bulu one-on-one more easily. Icy Wind can be used over Ice Beam to provide teammates with a form of speed control while still hitting Landorus-T, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence. However, Icy Wind's drop in power is very noticeable and makes it generally inferior to Ice Beam. A non-Mega Latias set with Psychic, Ice Beam, Tailwind, and Heal Pulse or Ally Switch holding Psychium Z could be used if you need a bulky Tailwind setter. Unfortunately, this set struggles against many common threats and is outclassed by better Tailwind setters like Kartana.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Dark-types**: Pokemon like Incineroar and Tyranitar are immune to Psyshock and take little damage from Ice Beam. In return, they threaten to KO Mega Latias with their super effective Dark-type STAB options.

**Steel-types**: The likes of Mega Metagross, Genesect, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor are resistant to Mega Latias's attacks and usually can deal heavy damage in return.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B is bulky enough to withstand any of boosted Mega Latias's attacks save for the rare Dragon Pulse and, if running Icium Z, is capable of easily KOing Mega Latias.

**Toxic**: Status from Pokemon like Chansey and Porygon2 significantly cuts Mega Latias's longevity and prevents it from sweeping the opposing team and checking threats.

**Bug-types**: Threats like Genesect and Volcarona are capable of KOing Mega Latias with their super effective Bug-type STAB options. The former also doesn't fear any of Mega Latias's attacks, while the latter can set up on Mega Latias with Quiver Dance.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[MajorBowman, 188164], [talkingtree, 232101]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Estronic, 240732], [The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216]]
 
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  • [Overview] I'd emphasize that Latias is a check to those Pokemon you mentioned even without being boosted, but otherwise great points in the overview
  • [Set] Name could probably be "Calm Mind Sweeper" or something like that, "Mega Calm Mind" just sounds clunky
  • [Moves] Mention that Psyshock gives it a better chance of winning CM wars against Fini/Cress
  • [Moves] I'd probably mention Zygarde over Mence in the Ice Beam section, Mence isn't wrong but if Latias is chipped Mence can finish it off before Latias can KO it
  • [Set Details] Any more info on the ev spread? If it's just an HP/Def dump then mention that
  • [Team Options] Mention Lando's Intimidate also bolstering Latias' defense in the ground types point; same with Incineroar in the fire types point
  • [Other Options] Icy Wind has seen some usage, probably worth mentioning
  • [Other Options] the non-mega set should run Psychic > Psyshock if it's using Psychium for the greater base power; I think it has better options over Recover too, like Heal Pulse or Ally Switch
  • [Checks and Counters] Mention Aegislash and maybe Mega Scizor under steel types
  • [Checks and Counters] I'd probably throw Kyurem-B in here somewhere since non-Dragon Pulse Latias loses to it, but admittedly I'm not sure where I'd put it. Maybe a bit about ice-type moves since Kyurem is really the only relevant ice type mon
Good work, these are all pretty minor so implement for 1/2!

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Egor

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  • [Overview] I'd emphasize that Latias is a check to those Pokemon you mentioned even without being boosted, but otherwise great points in the overview
  • [Set] Name could probably be "Calm Mind Sweeper" or something like that, "Mega Calm Mind" just sounds clunky
  • [Moves] Mention that Psyshock gives it a better chance of winning CM wars against Fini/Cress
  • [Moves] I'd probably mention Zygarde over Mence in the Ice Beam section, Mence isn't wrong but if Latias is chipped Mence can finish it off before Latias can KO it
  • [Set Details] Any more info on the ev spread? If it's just an HP/Def dump then mention that
  • [Team Options] Mention Lando's Intimidate also bolstering Latias' defense in the ground types point; same with Incineroar in the fire types point
  • [Other Options] Icy Wind has seen some usage, probably worth mentioning
  • [Other Options] the non-mega set should run Psychic > Psyshock if it's using Psychium for the greater base power; I think it has better options over Recover too, like Heal Pulse or Ally Switch
  • [Checks and Counters] Mention Aegislash and maybe Mega Scizor under steel types
  • [Checks and Counters] I'd probably throw Kyurem-B in here somewhere since non-Dragon Pulse Latias loses to it, but admittedly I'm not sure where I'd put it. Maybe a bit about ice-type moves since Kyurem is really the only relevant ice type mon
Good work, these are all pretty minor so implement for 1/2!

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implemented and wrote up, thx. ready for the 2nd check.
 

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  • [Set Details] Mention that max Speed is also an option for outrunning Kart. This also gives you a good chance to talk about how solid of a Kart check Lati is
  • [Team Options] Kart should go in the Speed control section, maybe in place of Tapu Fini since Icy Wind is pretty rare
  • [Other Options] Instead of saying that Ice Beam is better for Zygarde, say it's better for Kart/Bulu, which are otherwise kind of stalemate matchups
  • [Checks and Counters] Saying Kyurem-B can easily KO MLati is a big stretch -- A LO Ice Beam almost never 2HKOes a +1 MLati, so you might want to just say that Icium sets are especially threatening or something
Implement these and send it off to GP! QC 2/2
 

Egor

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  • [Set Details] Mention that max Speed is also an option for outrunning Kart. This also gives you a good chance to talk about how solid of a Kart check Lati is
  • [Team Options] Kart should go in the Speed control section, maybe in place of Tapu Fini since Icy Wind is pretty rare
  • [Other Options] Instead of saying that Ice Beam is better for Zygarde, say it's better for Kart/Bulu, which are otherwise kind of stalemate matchups
  • [Checks and Counters] Saying Kyurem-B can easily KO MLati is a big stretch -- A LO Ice Beam almost never 2HKOes a +1 MLati, so you might want to just say that Icium sets are especially threatening or something
Implement these and send it off to GP! QC 2/2
implemented, thx. sending this to gp.
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Great bulk, nice Speed tier, and access to reliable recovery make Mega Latias a threatening Calm Mind sweeper. These factors as well as Levitate also allow Mega Latias to consistently check notable threats like Landorus-T, Mega Charizard Y, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence even without needing a boost. However, Mega Latias is hopelessly walled by Dark-types like Incineroar and Tyranitar as well as by nearly any Steel-type. Its damage output is somewhat disappointing when unboosted, (AC) too. Also, (AC) Mega Latias faces competition as a Calm Mind sweeper from Cresselia because the latter doesn't take the Mega slot and boasts higher bulk.

[SET]
name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Psyshock
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Calm Mind
move 4: Roost
item: Latiasite
ability: Levitate
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 84 SpA / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Psyshock is chosen over Psychic to ease Mega Latias's time against Tapu Fini and Chansey as well as to and give Mega Latias better chances of winning Calm Mind wars against the aforementioned Tapu Fini and Cresselia. Ice Beam turns Mega Latias into a sturdy check to the likes of Landorus-T and Zygarde. Calm Mind allows Mega Latias to act as a sweeper and generally boosts its offensive presence. Roost lets Mega Latias check various threats more consistently and gives it more setup opportunities.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread and a Timid nature allow Mega Latias to outpace Kyurem-B and OHKO most Zygarde variants with an unboosted Ice Beam, while the leftover EVs are dumped into HP and Defense. Maximizing its Speed will let Mega Latias outpace Kartana, making it even better check to Kartana. This comes at the cost of bulk, however.

Usage Tips
========

Mega Latias's aim is to pull of a sweep late-game, (RC) when its answers like Incineroar, Mega Metagross, and Aegislash are severely weakened or completely eliminated. However, you can use Mega Latias to check the likes of Landorus-T and Mega Salamence at any point of the battle. Keep Mega Latias healthy so it can check various threats more consistently and have more setup opportunities. Avoid status from the likes of Chansey and Porygon2 at all cost, since it prevents Mega Latias from successfully checking threats and sweeping the opponent.

Team Options
========

Ground-types like Landorus-T and Zygarde are amazing teammates because they put many a lot of pressure on Mega Latias's anwers like Incineroar and Mega Metagross; additionally, (AC) Landorus-T also provides Intimidate support to Mega Latias. Fire-types such as Incineroar and Volcanion can break past Steel-types as well, with the former also boasting Intimidate to help Mega Latias further, while Fairy-types Pokemon (consistency) like Tapu Fini threaten Dark-types. Speed control from the likes of Zapdos and Kartana helps Mega Latias set up and sweep the opposing team. Fake Out support gives Mega Latias more setup opportunities and free turns, as does Intimidate support.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Dragon Pulse hits the likes of Incineroar and Tyranitar for neutral damage, (AC) but Ice Beam is usually preferred because it lets Mega Latias beat Pokemon like Landorus-T, Kartana, and Tapu Bulu one-on-one easier. Icy Wind can be used over Ice Beam to provide teammates with a form of speed control while still hitting Landorus-T, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence. However, Icy Wind's drop in power is very noticeable and makes it generally inferior to Ice Beam. A non-Mega Latias set with Psychic, Ice Beam, Tailwind, and Heal Pulse or Ally Switch holding Psychium Z could be used if you need a bulky Tailwind setter. Unfortunately, this set struggles against many common threats and is outclassed by better Tailwind setters like Kartana.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Dark-types**: Pokemon like Incineroar and Tyranitar are immune to Psyshock and take little damage from Ice Beam. In return, they threaten to KO Mega Latias with their super effective Dark-type STAB options.

**Steel-types**: The likes of Mega Metagross, Genesect, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor are resistant to Mega Latias's attacks and usually can deal heavy damage in return.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B is bulky enough to withstand any of boosted Mega Latias's attacks save for the rare Dragon Pulse and, if runs running Icium Z, is capable of easily KOing Mega Latias.

**Toxic**: Status from Pokemon like Chansey and Porygon2 significantly cuts Mega Latias's longevity and prevents it from sweeping the opposing team and checking threats.

**Bug-types**: Threats like Genesect and Volcarona are capable of KOing Mega Latias with their super effective Bug-type STAB options. The former also doesn't fear any of Mega Latias's attacks, while the latter can potentially set up on Mega Latias with Quiver Dance.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[MajorBowman, 188164], [talkingtree, 232101]]
- Grammar checked by: [[, ], [, ]]
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[OVERVIEW]

Great bulk, nice Speed tier, and access to reliable recovery make Mega Latias a threatening Calm Mind sweeper. These factors as well as Levitate also allow Mega Latias to consistently check notable threats like Landorus-T, Mega Charizard Y, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence even without needing a boost. However, Mega Latias is hopelessly walled by Dark-types like Incineroar and Tyranitar as well as nearly any Steel-type. Its damage output is somewhat disappointing when unboosted, too. Also, Mega Latias faces competition as a Calm Mind sweeper from Cresselia because the latter doesn't take the Mega slot and boasts higher bulk.

[SET]
name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Psyshock
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Calm Mind
move 4: Roost
item: Latiasite
ability: Levitate
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 84 SpA / 136 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========

Psyshock is chosen over Psychic to ease Mega Latias's time against Tapu Fini and Chansey and give Mega Latias better chances of winning Calm Mind wars against the aforementioned Tapu Fini and Cresselia. Ice Beam turns Mega Latias into a sturdy check to the likes of Landorus-T and Zygarde. Calm Mind allows Mega Latias to act as a sweeper and generally boosts its offensive presence. Roost lets Mega Latias check various threats more consistently and gives it more setup opportunities.

Set Details
========

The given EV spread and a Timid nature allow Mega Latias to outpace Kyurem-B and OHKO most Zygarde variants with an unboosted Ice Beam, while the leftover EVs are dumped into HP and Defense. (weirdly worded when you're doing max HP investment + also mention a reason for doing so here) Maximizing its Speed will let Mega Latias outpace Kartana, making it even better check to Kartana. This comes at the cost of bulk, however.

Usage Tips
========

Mega Latias's aim is to pull of a sweep late-game when its answers like Incineroar, Mega Metagross, and Aegislash are severely weakened or completely eliminated. However, you can use Mega Latias to check the likes of Landorus-T and Mega Salamence at any point of the battle. Keep Mega Latias healthy so it can check various threats more consistently and have secure more setup opportunities. Avoid status from the likes of Chansey and Porygon2 at all cost, since it prevents Mega Latias from successfully checking threats and sweeping the opponent opposing team.

Team Options
========

Ground-types like Landorus-T and Zygarde are amazing teammates because they put a lot of pressure on Mega Latias's anwers like Incineroar and Mega Metagross; additionally, Landorus-T also provides Intimidate support to Mega Latias. Fire-types such as Incineroar and Volcanion can break past Steel-types as well, with the former also boasting Intimidate to help Mega Latias further, while Fairy-types like Tapu Fini threaten Dark-types. Speed control from the likes of Zapdos and Kartana helps Mega Latias set up and sweep the opposing team. Fake Out support (from?) gives Mega Latias more setup opportunities and free turns, as does Intimidate support.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Dragon Pulse hits the likes of Incineroar and Tyranitar for neutral damage, but Ice Beam is usually preferred because it lets Mega Latias beat Pokemon like Landorus-T, Kartana, and Tapu Bulu one-on-one easier more easily. Icy Wind can be used over Ice Beam to provide teammates with a form of speed control while still hitting Landorus-T, Zygarde, and Mega Salamence. However, Icy Wind's drop in power is very noticeable and makes it generally inferior to Ice Beam. A non-Mega Latias set with Psychic, Ice Beam, Tailwind, and Heal Pulse or Ally Switch holding Psychium Z could be used if you need a bulky Tailwind setter. Unfortunately, this set struggles against many common threats and is outclassed by better Tailwind setters like Kartana.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Dark-types**: Pokemon like Incineroar and Tyranitar are immune to Psyshock and take little damage from Ice Beam. In return, they threaten to KO Mega Latias with their super effective Dark-type STAB options.

**Steel-types**: The likes of Mega Metagross, Genesect, Aegislash, and Mega Scizor are resistant to Mega Latias's attacks and usually can deal heavy damage in return.

**Kyurem-B**: Kyurem-B is bulky enough to withstand any of boosted Mega Latias's attacks save for the rare Dragon Pulse and, if running Icium Z, is capable of easily KOing Mega Latias.

**Toxic**: Status from Pokemon like Chansey and Porygon2 significantly cuts Mega Latias's longevity and prevents it from sweeping the opposing team and checking threats.

**Bug-types**: Threats like Genesect and Volcarona are capable of KOing Mega Latias with their super effective Bug-type STAB options. The former also doesn't fear any of Mega Latias's attacks, while the latter can potentially set up on Mega Latias with Quiver Dance.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Egor, 439341]]
- Quality checked by: [[MajorBowman, 188164], [talkingtree, 232101]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Estronic, 240732], [, ]]
 

Egor

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implemented, thx. and the analysis is finally finished!
 

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