Meganium (SD Flail / Update) +

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/meganium

[SET]
name: Flail
move 1: Sword Dance
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Flail
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Though Meganium is normally viewed as a defensive Pokemon it can still make a formidable sweeper with access to Sword Dance, a 200 base power move, and Overgrow. Meganium should come in on something that it can force a switch on and begin the Substitute and Sword Dance cycle. Eventually, it should Substitute down to activate the Salac berry and Overgrow and from there can proceed to sweep with boosted Seed Bombs and Flail. Surprisingly, Grass and Normal gives remarkably good coverage in the UU environment; being resisted only by Drifblim, Shedinja, Mawile, and the seldom seen Wormadam.</p>

<p>At first glance, this set may seem to be an inferior Flail Leafeon given Leafeon's higher Speed and Attack. However, Meganium has one significant advantage over Leafeon and that is its Ability Overgrow, which boosts the power Grass moves 50% when at one-third HP or less. With an Overgrow boost, Meganium's Sword Danced Seed Bombs with hit harder then Leafeon's Sword Danced Leaf Blades.</p>

<p>The EVs are rather obvious for a sweeper of this style. Adamant and maximum Speed places Meganium at 259 Speed, enough to outrun even maximum Speed Swellow after a Salac boost.</p>
 
<p>While a may be tempting to use an Adamant nature to improve Meganium's rather average Attack, this is not recommended. A Jolly nature is required for Meganium to outrun base 110 Speed Pokemon, notably Froslass and Jumpluff.</p>

Wrong, neutral Meganium has 259 speed. 259*1,5 = 388 speed. Max base 110 speed = 350. Adamant is better.
 
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Though Meganium is normally viewed as a defensive Pokemon, it can still make a formidable sweeper with access to Sword Dance, a 200 base power move, and Overgrow. Meganium should come in on something that it can force a switch on and begin the Substitute and Sword Dance cycle. Eventually, it should Substitute down to activate the Salac berry and Overgrow and from there can proceed to sweep with boosted Seed Bombs and Flail. Surprisingly, Grass and Normal gives remarkably good coverage in the UU environment; being resisted only by Drifblim, Shedinja, Mawile, and the seldom seen Wormadam.</p>

<p>At first glance, this set may seem to be an inferior Flail Leafeon given Leafeon's higher Speed and Attack. However, Meganium has one significant advantage over Leafeon: its Ability Overgrow, which boosts the power Grass moves 50% when at one-third HP or less. With an Overgrow boost, Meganium's Sword Danced Seed Bombs with hit harder than Leafeon's Sword Danced Leaf Blades.</p>

Left the last paragraph alone as per above post.
 
Damn it, you. This was mine! I made the thread...*sob*

Does this survive a Fake Out/BP/Mach Punch from Hitmontop, and a Quick Attack from Scyther? That could be important if this gets popular.
 
That's weird. I could have sworn I changed them :/.

Fixing.

@Rinsting: I'm not worried about it surviving those priority attacks to be honest.
 
Caelum said:
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/meganium

[SET]
name: Flail
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Flail
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe


[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Though Meganium is normally viewed as a defensive Pokemon, it can still make a formidable sweeper with access to Swords Dance, a 200 base power move, and Overgrow. Meganium should come in on something that it can force a switch on and begin the Substitute and Swords Dance cycle. Eventually, it should Substitute down to activate the Salac berry and Overgrow and from there can proceed to sweep with boosted Seed Bombs and Flail. Surprisingly, Grass and Normal gives remarkably good coverage in the UU environment, being resisted only by Drifblim, Shedinja, Mawile, and the seldom seen Wormadam.</p>

<p>At first glance, this set may seem to be an inferior Flail Leafeon, given Leafeon's higher Speed and Attack. However, Meganium has one significant advantage over Leafeon and that is its ability, Overgrow, which boosts the power of Grass moves 50% when at one-third HP or less. With an Overgrow boost, Meganium's Swords Danced Seed Bombs <deleted> hit harder than Leafeon's Swords Danced Leaf Blades.</p>

<p>The EVs are rather obvious for a sweeper of this style. Adamant and maximum Speed places Meganium at 259 Speed, enough to outrun even maximum Speed Swellow after a Salac boost.</p>
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you contribute too much caelum
 
This is a decent set, but it is somewhat outclassed by Leafeon, who can run this exact set.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are better special defense and Overgrow enough to make Meganium a better choice?
 
Updated Meganium to reflect this set. Minor changes basically.

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Energy Ball
move 2: Aromatherapy
move 3: Light Screen / Reflect
move 4: Leech Seed / Synthesis
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 216 HP / 148 Def / 144 SpA

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Meganium is a quite a good supporting member in the UU environment. Energy Ball provides a more reliable STAB move than Grass Knot in UU because the bulky waters (mainly Pokemon like Quagsire and Gastrodon) are generally lighter there. Aromatherapy is always good to have, especially on a bulky Pokemon like Meganium. Light Screen and Reflect can basically go either way, depending on whether your team is more vulnerable to physical or special attacks. In normal play, Synthesis wouldn't be a real option for healing, but the lack of Sand Streamers and the increased prevalence of Sunny Day makes it a completely viable UU option. This is a physically defensive Meganium and, while Special Defense is an option since Meganium's defensive stats are the same, Hypno and Grumpig are generally better in that regard.</p>

[SET]
name: Flail
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Substitute
move 3: Flail
move 4: Seed Bomb
item: Salac Berry
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Though Meganium is normally viewed as a defensive Pokemon it can still make a formidable sweeper with access to Swords Dance, a 200 base power Normal move, and Overgrow. Meganium should come in on something that it can force a switch on and begin the Substitute and Sword Dance cycle. Eventually, it should Substitute down to activate the Salac berry and Overgrow and from there can proceed to sweep with boosted Seed Bombs and Flail. Surprisingly, Grass and Normal gives remarkably good coverage in the UU environment; being resisted only by Drifblim, Shedinja, Mawile, and the seldom seen Wormadam.</p>

<p>At first glance, this set may seem to be an inferior Flail Leafeon given Leafeon's higher Speed and Attack. However, Meganium has one significant advantage over Leafeon and that is its Ability Overgrow, which boosts the power Grass moves 50% when at one-third HP or less. With an Overgrow boost, Meganium's Sword Danced Seed Bombs with hit harder then Leafeon's Sword Danced Leaf Blades.</p>

<p>The EVs are rather obvious for a sweeper of this style. Adamant and maximum Speed places Meganium at 259 Speed, enough to outrun even maximum Speed Swellow after a Salac boost.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Counter is always an interesting choice but Meganium has a hard time fitting it into his moveset. GrassWhistle can provide additional support and give Meganium an extra turn of Leech Seed or a chance to use Synthesis. You can use Hidden Power if you want to get some additional type coverage so that you're not completely walled by other Grass-types. Hidden Power Rock hits Fire, Ice, Bug and Flying-types, 4 of Meganium's weaknesses; however Hidden Power Ice deals better with Altaria and fellow UU Grass-types. Earthquake is a strong move, but splitting Meganium's offense isn't generally the best.</p>

[EVs]

<p>High HP and Defense are standard on the Support set. Investing in Special Defense is probably not a good idea, since Meganium can already use Light Screen to boost its Special Defense and its typing better suits that of a physical wall. You can take a few slices off Defense if you want some Speed to go before something specific, or move a few attacking EVs into HP or Defense to allow for a more defensive EV spread.</p>

<p>For the offensive Flail set you are just going to want to run maximum Attack and Speed to give Meganium its best hope at sweeping.</p>

[Opinion]

<p>Meganium is a good team supporter in UU because of its nice defenses and movepool. Aromatherapy is a good move to have on any team, especially one that fears status, and Meganium is no slouch at using it. Indeed, it is one of the best clerics in UU. However, its offensive capabilities should not be overlooked. With access to Swords Dance it can also make a formidable sweeper and can often take an opponent off guard.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Countering the Support set is rather simple due to Meganium's poor offensive prowess. Pokemon that resist Grass or have high Special Defense like Hypno and Grumpig have no problems with Support Meganium. A strong Ice-type like Glaceon should be able to do some heavy damage, but slower and weaker ones might have problems under sunny conditions since Meganium is fairly fast and can use Synthesis.</p>

<p>Countering the Swords Dance set is a bit more challenging since Meganium gets great coverage with Seed Bomb and Flail. Drifblim resists Seed Bomb and is immune to Flail so it can easily take on Swords Dance Meganium. Shedinja is immune to both attacking moves and so if Stealth Rock or other entry hazards aren't in play he is the ideal counter. Steelix can easily take a Swords Danced Seed Bomb and Roar Meganium out.</p>
 
Caelum said:
<p>Meganium is quite a good supporting member in the UU environment. Energy Ball provides more reliable STAB than Grass Knot in UU because the bulky waters (mainly things like Quagsire and Gastrodon) are generally smaller and lighter there. Aromatherapy is always good to have especially on a nice bulky Pokemon like Meganium. Light Screen and Reflect can basically go either way, depending on whether your team seems more vulnerable to physical or special attacks. In normal play, Synthesis wouldn't be a real option for healing, but the lack of Sand Streamers and the increased prevalence of Sunny Day makes it a completely viable UU option. This is a physically defensive Meganium, and while Special Defense is an option since Meganium's defensive stats are the same, Hypno and Grumpig are generally better in that regard.</p>
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Took me about a day and a half to read that last sentence with the commas where they were. XD Anyways, beware of comma splicing (I'm not gonna go through and pick out every unnecessary comma, just make sure that you don't over use them). Some sentences that express two sides of an issue can be seperated with a semicolon rather than a comma. Example:

Caelum said:
<p>Counter is always an interesting choice but Meganium has a hard time fitting it into his moveset. GrassWhistle can provide additional support and give Meganium an extra turn of Leech Seed or a chance to use Synthesis. You can use Hidden Power if you want to get some additional type coverage so that you're not completely walled by other Grass-types. Hidden Power Rock hits Fire, Ice, Bug and Flying-types, 4 of Meganium's weaknesses; however Hidden Power Ice deals better with Altaria and fellow UU Grass-types. Earthquake is a strong move, but splitting Meganium's offense isn't generally the best.</p>
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I'm being rather picky right now for some reason. There's no need to revise the entire update and change any of it (unless somebody else felt it's necessary and does it). Just some advise for when you make future contributions.

EDIT: Now that I look over it again, comma splicing isn't an issue, but do watch out for it in the future
 
I was wondering whether there should be a basic Swords Dance set included for Meganium. I imagine it might actually be better suited for it than Venusaur, considering that they both have identical base values for speed, attack, hit points, and special defense as well as identical physical move-pools. However, Meganium has the clear advantage of having a higher base defense than Venusaur (83 for Venusuar and 100 for Meganium respectively). The downside would be the loss of Poison and Fighting Resistances, but in exchange you get a Ground resistance and Psychic neutrality.

You could pretty much copy the set for Venosaur and paste it up for Meganium.
 
[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Meganium is a quite a good supporting member in the UU environment. Energy Ball provides a more reliable STAB move than Grass Knot in UU because the bulky waters (mainly Pokemon like Quagsire and Gastrodon) are generally (removed smaller) lighter there. Aromatherapy is always good to have, especially on a (removed nice) bulky Pokemon like Meganium. Light Screen and Reflect can basically go either way, depending on whether your team is more vulnerable to physical or special attacks. In normal play, Synthesis wouldn't be a real option for healing, but the lack of Sand Streamers and the increased prevalence of Sunny Day makes it a completely viable UU option. This is a physically defensive Meganium and, while Special Defense is an option since Meganium's defensive stats are the same, Hypno (removed comma) and Grumpig are generally better in that regard.</p>
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Some minor nitpicks. Nice job on both sets.
 
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