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Metagamiate!

252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 363-427 (105.5 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 321-378 (91.1 - 107.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Why would noivern run flamethrower ? Also i saw some empoleon on the ladder who take a lot on focus blast
 
252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 363-427 (105.5 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Ferrothorn: 321-378 (91.1 - 107.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Why would noivern run flamethrower ? Also i saw some empoleon on the ladder who take a lot on focus blast

Flamethrower is more reliable than Focus Blast for taking on most Steel types, such as Magnezone or Aegislash, has a chance of burning targets which is more useful if they switch in a Dragonite or Zygarde or Azumarill or whatever, and... well, Flamethrower doesn't miss. Most Noivern are Choiced and will have to successfully anticipate the switch-in of Tyranitar, or else be unable to take it down, at risk from Return and at risk from Pursuit should they decide to switch. Aegislash in particular 100% walls Noivern if it runs Focus Blast over Flamethrower, and even with how little it gets out of the meta is still a powerful, flexible Pokemon.

Overall it's fairly redundant with Aerilated Boomburst, what with both being effective on Grass and Bug and resisted by Rock, while Focus Blast provides coverage on Rock and also provide's Fire's coverage on Steel, so there's definitely arguments to be made for running Focus Blast over Flamethrower, but it's not actually a clear-cut improvement over Flamethrower.

Your numbers are also misleading anyway, because they only hold up if you actually assume Choice Specs. I see Scarf a lot, and for Scarf Noivern Flamethrower is more reliable on both Mega Scizor and Ferrothorn over Boomburst, vs Focus Blast being inferior against both of them. I've also seen Sashed Noivern, Life Orb Noivern (For whom Flamethrower always OHKOs Mega Scizor and Boomburst only usually OHKOs it), and I think even Sharp Beak Noivern.
 
Guys, remember TheBurgerKing99's old meta, Megamons? Well, I had the craziest idea: MEGAgamiate! Yeah, Metagamiate+Megamons! Personally, I would run...
Charizard-Mega-X @ Choice Band
Ability: Tough Claws
Happiness: 0
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Frustration
- Quick Attack
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
OR...
Aerodactyl-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
Happiness: 0
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Frustration
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Hone Claws
or even...
Banette-Mega @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Destiny Bond
- Frustration
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
or... OH GOD
Kangaskhan-Mega @ Life Orb
Ability: Parental Bond
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Frustration
- Power-Up Punch
- Sucker Punch
- Earthquake
 
Absol, Combusken, Flygon, Gliscor, Houndoom, Infernape, Sableye, Weavile are all the viable legal forms of pokemon that can get SE feint on aegislash
Electavire and Pikachu/Raichu are all the viable forms of pokemon that get neutral feint on aegislash
 
Flamethrower is more reliable than Focus Blast for taking on most Steel types, such as Magnezone or Aegislash, has a chance of burning targets which is more useful if they switch in a Dragonite or Zygarde or Azumarill or whatever, and... well, Flamethrower doesn't miss. Most Noivern are Choiced and will have to successfully anticipate the switch-in of Tyranitar, or else be unable to take it down, at risk from Return and at risk from Pursuit should they decide to switch. Aegislash in particular 100% walls Noivern if it runs Focus Blast over Flamethrower, and even with how little it gets out of the meta is still a powerful, flexible Pokemon.

Overall it's fairly redundant with Aerilated Boomburst, what with both being effective on Grass and Bug and resisted by Rock, while Focus Blast provides coverage on Rock and also provide's Fire's coverage on Steel, so there's definitely arguments to be made for running Focus Blast over Flamethrower, but it's not actually a clear-cut improvement over Flamethrower.

Your numbers are also misleading anyway, because they only hold up if you actually assume Choice Specs. I see Scarf a lot, and for Scarf Noivern Flamethrower is more reliable on both Mega Scizor and Ferrothorn over Boomburst, vs Focus Blast being inferior against both of them. I've also seen Sashed Noivern, Life Orb Noivern (For whom Flamethrower always OHKOs Mega Scizor and Boomburst only usually OHKOs it), and I think even Sharp Beak Noivern.
True, i run sky plate noivern because without life orb damage people usualy assume a choice spec. But i run flamethrower and focus blast, i don't see much use for draco meteor anyway

And i just lost a match because of focus miss, lol
 
Noivern with expert belt/sharp beak has no reason to run switcheroo so it can have both flamethrower and focus blast. The combination of a boomburst and focus blast with expert belt has a chance to ko a bulky attacking tyranitar.
 
well its actually refrigerate, but it says in the OP that mons that already had a -ate ability keep that same ability.
 
I was just thinking, could the Dark-type -ate ability be called Enervate? Because that means to weaken or remove vitality of.
 
Has anyone thought of combining Empoleon with Petaya Berry + Torrent. That'll give it a straight up +2 if you combine that with the 1.3x boost you are getting a total boost of 2.6x. Unfortunately I'm not sure if Torrent boosts normal moves in this meta, and Empoleon gets shit all for normal special attacks. Otherwise this would work on stickyweb teams. Just Subs down until at Range. Then begin wreckage. This could also work for Swarm Volarona but yet again it gets shit all for Special normal attacks. Okay, I was thinking that maybe Galvanutula would be a decent choice for this, as it gets webs, but once again it gets shit normal special atks. Thinking about Extreme Speed + Sash + Swarm yet not a single mon has the combo of Espeed + Swarm or Espeed + Torrent. Keep looking guys for other niches like these, it'll be a lot of fun to use...
 
wait what? how would you get a straight up +2? And why would you use Empoleon instead of something not so slow like maybe infernape or something? I really don't see how thats an amazing strategy, and let your subs say hi to boomburst noivern and hyper voice everything.
 
So how does Technician work in this? If I use, say, Swift on a Technician Roserade, does the Metagamiate boost apply first or the Technician boost?
 
it doesn't matter lol, its still just multiplication:
60 * 1.5 (Tech) * 1.3 * 1.5 (stab and -ate) = 175.5
60 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 175.5
60 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.3 = 175.5

Also, the -ate doesn't change the move's base power, it is a multiplier, meaning it will always stack with other boosts, so yes tech will work.
 
So how does Technician work in this? If I use, say, Swift on a Technician Roserade, does the Metagamiate boost apply first or the Technician boost?
it doesn't matter lol, its still just multiplication:
60 * 1.5 (Tech) * 1.3 * 1.5 (stab and -ate) = 175.5
60 * 1.3 * 1.5 * 1.5 = 175.5
60 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.3 = 175.5

Also, the -ate doesn't change the move's base power, it is a multiplier, meaning it will always stack with other boosts, so yes tech will work.
Very very glad I OHKOed your Roserade in our match now...
 
base 175.5 isin't all that powerful in this meta, it is really the equivalent of a base 90 power normal move.

and for roserade it is grass and grass coverage sucks
 
Mega Aerodactyl easily my favorite. Return finally gives it a good stab AND something that makes contact so it also benefits from tough claws. Plus he's already pretty strong and very fast. I've swept many games just by return spamming
 
I've been running an ESpeed team and my MVP was this:

Togekiss @ Choice Band
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Drain Punch
- Trick
- Aerial Ace

Basically Fairy Type ESpeed is amazing and what you'll be spamming mostly. Nearly everyone assumes you're special so they will switch in special walls, just to get OHKO'd or 2HKO'd. If they start to understand your strategy, you can Trick the band to something like Ferrothorn, Forretress, Skarmory or whatever their Physical wall is. Drain Punch is there for coverage but I haven't actually used it at all so far as it's quite weak and you better switch out. Aerial Ace is STAB and can get you a reliable KO if needed without the miss chance. Fairy type is amazing for checking Dragonite as his ESpeed doesn't affect you and your ESpeed hits him for Super Effective damage. It's a really strong set and Hustle makes it more powerful than you'd imagine. (Also the misses aren't too horrible as you expect them, but they can hurt at critical situations). This set brought won me a 16-P tour on PS for what that means.

Some calcs:
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 307-363 (43.6 - 51.5%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 729-858 (103.5 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO (Dunno, but I've only encountered these sets, people like to switch them in as well)
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 243-286 (75 - 88.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Dragonite: 486-572 (150 - 176.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lucario: 312-367 (111 - 130.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 560-660 (180 - 212.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Togekiss Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 232-274 (57.4 - 67.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
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is seemingly good in this metagame. Thanks to access to Tough Claws Return, it's sheer power combined with a high Speed stat and then a really good primary STAB makes it one of the most powerful late-game sweepers in this metagame, although not widely used. The below set is what I use, however you can feel free to use it yourself or construct another one as you please.

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Ability: Unnerve / Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Return
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Facade

It's not very surprising to see an Aerodactylite on an Aerodactyl this Generation, but the pre-evolving choice of ability is what matters more. Unnerve can be used to prevent the use of Berries, like perhaps Sitrus Berry, Oran Berry (Recycle L1 Magnemite because FEAR me that's why [not really]), and Chople, Babiri Berry, etc that weaken the power of super effective moves. However, the latter ability, Pressure can be used to stall out 2 PP instead of 1 for the ESpeed Zygardes. Adamant nature is because you'll outspeed everything that's not Scarfed in the metagame and anyways, ESpeed is priority, plus you need more power to ensure more KOes. Return is obvious, Dragon Claw is for them Zygarde's switching in to Dactyl (yes, you have to predict) and EQ is for Lucarios and other Steel-types. Facade is just so if you want to switch-in on a WoW or Poisoning move. In fact, if you do, you can OHKO even stuff like Clefable (252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Facade (166 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 357-421 (90.6 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO)!
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 364-429 (94.3 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 680-804 (181.8 - 214.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 786-926 (252.7 - 297.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Mega Aerodactyl Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lucario: 330-390 (117.4 - 138.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 222-262 (52.8 - 62.3%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Sadly, Zygarde can 2HKO Megadactyl with ESpeed even before it can Dragon Claw it the second time.
-1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 524-618 (136.4 - 160.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 286-337 (72.5 - 85.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
One thing I've used:
Cloyster @ White Herb
Ability: Skill Link
252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 HP / (+Atk, -SpA)
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Spike Cannon
- Rock Blast

It's a basic set for Cloyster, except it gets a multi hit Water type move now thanks to Spike Cannon being Water.
 
One thing I've used:
Cloyster @ White Herb
Ability: Skill Link
252 Spe / 252 Atk / 4 HP / (+Atk, -SpA)
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Spike Cannon
- Rock Blast

It's a basic set for Cloyster, except it gets a multi hit Water type move now thanks to Spike Cannon being Water.
I see this set ALL the time on the ladder. I'd say Unaware Quagsire is the best counter, as it can take all of these moves well.
 
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