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Mew

Well it doesn't seem like Mew was really given much of a chance then, unlike Latias or Deoxys-S who were brought down and thoroughly tested and found to be broken. Therefore I'm not really inclined to believe that his Baton Pass sets are what "broke him" since evidently not a lot of time was put into testing them in OU.

What I've seen of Mew so far is that it can be really effective with all of his options, but I don't think "tons of options" is a broken attribute in of itself (Celebi has like, 11 sets in its current analysis). Other than the huge movepool, Mew doesn't really stand out anywhere. It has an unspectacular typing offensively and defensively with an unspectacular ability and solid but unspectacular stats. There isn't anything about it that screams Uber right off the bat, not even an argument that includes what was so broken about it last generation because, as I said, I don't think it was given as much of a chance. If it could do everything at once, then yeah, it would most likely be broken, but that isn't the case.
 
I don't think it even matters anymore whether it's Uber or not. It's an extremely versatile Pokemon whose unpredictability can only be bested by Arceus. Even if it's not the best at everything it does, I can think of many, many uses for it. I'll even beast with it in PO UU as long as people keep forgetting about it and how good it is.
 
So I will say I have almost never seen one of these things on PO. Is it because it sucks, or is it because, as SJCrew has suggested, it's just overlooked?
 
It's overlooked, sadly. I mean with Manaphy and the BL Ubers and Inconsistency, etc, people forget about Mew and say that it has a bad typing.

Point being? Psychic isn't the worst typing imaginable and only has weaknesses to Ghost/Dark/Bug and Mew can do something to pretty much every switch in. Plus he's bulky.
 
Yes, probably overlooked in favor of the powerhouses.

He can be very effective. He's basically like a mini-Mewtwo that also has the ability to sharply raise any of its stats and Baton Pass the boosts away.
 
Mew isn't seeing much use because of its combination of mediocre typing (there are worse types than Psychic - Bug and Rock stand out) and the fact that "Oh, a Darkrai / Shaymin-S / Deoxys / etc. *Mew dies* So much for that, then."
 
Well, as far as the pixies go Jirachi and Manaphy make better tanks or support pokemon thanks to their typing or ability. I think Mew is better on the offensive with it's movepool or baton passing.
 
When I see a Mew, I'd automatically think "Baton Pass" because honestly that's the only thing I can really see it abusing better than other OU pokemon.
 
Outside of BP its best niches are:

- absurdly fast RP sweeper (at the same time, 100 base Atk/SpA isn't going anywhere.)
- really bulky NP/SD sweeper (as bulky as Celebi, with better-ish typing and a massive movepool)
- defensive (screens, almost every status, recover, etc.)
 
psychic is one of the worst mono typings. only one noteworthy resist, and offers mew very little coverage. it is probably the biggest thing holding offensive mew back.
 
Can mew still learn (almost) every attack in the game by transforming into smeargle and using sketch?

EDIT: Okay, bulbapedia says that sketch will fail. It was possible at some point, right?
 
Chou Toshio said:
When I see a Mew, I'd automatically think "Baton Pass" because honestly that's the only thing I can really see it abusing better than other OU pokemon.
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This. If Mew becomes standard, it might actually become predictable. (What a weird thought) Baton Pass, Nasty Plot and Support might be his 3 most common sets.

I know I'm being a pessimist and I want Mew to balanced in OU as much as the next guy, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

psychic is one of the worst mono typings. only one noteworthy resist, and offers mew very little coverage. it is probably the biggest thing holding offensive mew back.
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Actually Mew has excellent coverage. Psychic / Fighting / Fire hits most of the metagame making Nasty Plot in hard to wall. Psycho Shock means that dedicated Special walls like Chansey and Blissey can't beat him. (+2 Psycho Shock almost OHKOes with Stealth Rocks) Not even the mighty Tyranitar can get near Nasty Plot Mew, making Mew one of the best special sweepers in the game imo.
 
Psychic isn't very little coverage. Other than Steels, Psychics, and Darks, everything gets hit hard and while those three are common, Mew can run moves to defeat them and Mew is variable and is amazingly bulky for such a "crappy" type (can we even say that with Rankurusu, Mew, Mewtwo, Cresselia, Mushurna, Jirach, Azelf, etc?). Mono Normal and Fire are as types arguably worse than Psychic with notable exceptions (Snorlax, Blissey, Hidiharuma, etc). Especially Normal with the Mach Punch weakness and Fire with the Stealth Rock and Water weaknesses.

Mew kills Tyranitar with +2 Life Orb Aura Sphere
Scizor takes over 80% so if weaknened...
Nattorei dies to Aura Sphere/Flamethrower

Plus Mew is REALLY bulky, particularly behind screens which it is very adept at as well with reliable recovery...and the stall set is bulky...and Shanderra.

The darks to fear are Darkrai (without Light Screen), Tyranitar, and maybe Sazandora at low health.

Steels: Scizor, Metagross, maybe Brongzong
Faster things: Latis Twins, Weather sweepers without Screens
Obscure things: Spiritomb, Pendorra, Sableye
When boosting: Erufuun, Sableye
Other: Shanderra
 
mew has excellent coverage because it is mew, not because it is psychic. the psychic stab would be better off as ghost, fighting, water.. almost anything. it's the same with mewtwo and how it almost never runs psychic attacks despite having stab on it.
 
^Mewtwo now commonly runs Psycho Break, which hits Blissey and multiple Uber Pokemon incredibly hard.

Psychic isn't a bad STAB when you have coverage moves to back it up, and Mew is king when it comes to coverage.
 
Actually, this time around, using Psychic isn't the worst idea. I mean it batters Roopushin, Breloom, other fighters and so on and after a Nasty Plot, it does heck load of damage. Psycho Shock is useful for Blissey/Chansey. Aura Sphere demolishes Tyranitar (+2), Darkrai (with Stealth Rock without a boost), Scizor (+2 and residual damage), etc. While faster ones than Mew (like the Darkrai) might be a problem, behind Screens (Everything is good behind Screens) it will take those moves and Nasty Plot up to beat them.

It is hard to pick which is scarier, Mew or Manaphy (no rain, in rain obviously Manaphy is godly). While Nasty Plot isn't quite as large a boost, Mew does have coverage able to beat that Nattorei that Manaphy struggles with even with rain easily with Aura Sphere/Flamethrower. Mew has recovery moves that aren't Rest and for some reason no one would really take Mew seriously as if it couldn't attack. It is a huge draw for Taunters and Mischievious Hearts and that could be a big weakness for them since Mew can beat a lot of those (attack on switch in) and without Rain, Manaphy isn't in general particularly scary, not like Mew (at least, people should be afraid of Mew).

I don't know about an all out attacking Nasty Plot Mew (because I really like Recovery and he survives some amazing things) but with Wish, I can dig it. Nasty Plot/Psychic (Psycho Shock)/Aura Sphere/Icebeam or Flamethrower is excellent. Kind of similar to Nasty Plot Azelf almost but bulkier and can use a decent Fighting move and can be pretty tough to get around. He doesn't keel over and die to priority either (except Sucker Punches).

The best counter for Mew is probably Spiritomb or Shanderra when Mew isn't behind a Screen in which case, it won't die. Tyranitar is iffy because without Choice Scarf, Mew wins with +2 Aura Sphere or sets up a screen and flees. Scizor and Metagross won't like Flamethrower. Dragonite dies to +2 Psychic after Stealth Rock (which would disable Multi-Scale as well). Tornelos/Voltlos have a 1/3 chance of dieing to an unboosted max special Orb Icebeam and Erufuun is 1-2 hit koed as well. Darkrai is faster and can Dark Pulse to ko...without Screen up and must beware of Aura Sphere but otherewise is an amazing counter. Blissey is handled by Psycho Shock. Really, only a few things are going to get rid of it and they're probably not all that common common for the most part.

Zoroark, Shanderra, Spiritomb, Pendorra, Darkrai, Sableye, and really fast things are the only real potential counters. Everything else can be iffy. And looking at that list, only three of this are going to likely be common.

Speaking of Zoroark, Zoroark/Mew can have some real fun mind games with Zoroark luring out things like Shanderra, Darkrai, etc and beating them with Sucker Punch/Ankle Sweep (Swords Dance variant is probably the best set to pretend ot be Mew since Mew's general switch ins often have weaker defense, weak to Dark, or fear Flamethrower). Ankle Sweep in particular can be useful to make things slower and you might trick people into thinking you're using some sort of Mew gimmick. But either case, it does heavy damage to Darkrai, Choice Scarfers, etc and make them slower. Or Sucker Punch mops the floor with Latis twins, etc. Scizor dies to Flamethrower (only on Switch in), no one is likely to Mach Punch a Mew so Mach Puncher won't be switching in on Zoroark.
 
PokéMontage said:
^Mewtwo now commonly runs Psycho Break, which hits Blissey and multiple Uber Pokemon incredibly hard.

Psychic isn't a bad STAB when you have coverage moves to back it up, and Mew is king when it comes to coverage.
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Lol understatement. Mewtwo 1-2 hit koes everything with boost Psycho Break. Mew does have some fun coverage doesn't he? While it is pointless to do so, I still wish he had gotten Mischievious Heart or Inconsistent as a Dream World ability which would firmly make him able to be clearly just as Uber like he was obviously meant to be even with those guys who currently make him pretty average that people think all he could do is Baton Pass (although with Mischievious Heart/Inconsistent...oh lordy but it is Mew!).
 
Ive been using a bulky NP Mew
Timid 252speed/ 104 SAtk/ 152 HP
Psychic
Aura Sphere
NP
Softboiled

I constantly want to switch Psychic for shadow ball but then he kills another BU Roob, and I love him all over again. Im also considering giving up on the SpAtk for more HP but it adds some needed bite to his attacks if he does not get the NP off.
 
i dont know why everyone always hype BP mew omg. Its not as broken as last gen due to gorebyss in my experience. If you use dual screen, use BP from gorebyss. It only use 1 turn and it transfer not +2 on speed and some stats but +2 on every offensive stats which is better in every cases.

Mew's job is now using stall two set and sweeping. Stall two is a beast in this metagame(especialy with deoxys-D or Blissey) and NP or SD set can work well.
As a bonus he has synchronize as ability. Its fun abusing such a broken pokemon

Oh and psychic typing good on mew. It lures scizor, ttar etc making statusing(especialy burning) them easier. Its resist is nice too.
 
A bulky Nasty Plot set is good as well since short of really special defensive Tyranitar +2 Aura Sphere still ohkoes and outspeeds Tyranitar as well as being an excellent lure. Scizor/Tyranitar don't particularly like Mew since he can kill them and not only that, status and make them useless. Either way, he's dang good.

Nasty Plot and Defensive annoying Mew are the best sets. Dragon Tail is pointless really on Mew with Team viewer, low attack (you're not probably using Dragon Tail and Swords Dance together), etc.

Defensive Mew should always run U-turn to escape being an excellent lure, escaping Shadow Tag Shandera, and all the things that will continuously try to Taunt you (Mischievious Heart Sableye, I'm looking at you).
 
IIRC I've noticed that JSND loves to explain the many advantages of will-o-wisp. I can see how, as it's a move with scant distribution and nice effects.

Ideal set to me looks like Screens/W-o-w/Psychic. I don't think anything but houndoom 100% walls that.
 
Breludicolo said:
IIRC I've noticed that JSND loves to explain the many advantages of will-o-wisp. I can see how, as it's a move with scant distribution and nice effects.

Ideal set to me looks like Screens/W-o-w/Psychic. I don't think anything but houndoom 100% walls that.
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I find U-Turn to be more useful (with Roost and Screens or Will-O-wisp slashed over Reflect sometimes) for scouting, dealing damage, and the fact that Sableye keeps loving to use Taunt and will be the first thing they do and with Mischievious Heart could seriously wreck defensive Mew (and most Mews in general). U-Turn would still hit Houndoom really hard (lol). It also somewhat smacks Erufuun although wouldn't do all that much, but then you can Shandera trap it and kill or something.
 
However what makes mew is powerful is w-o-w(this set i mean)
Roost and taunt is a must. W-o-w is THE crux move seeing this set is a slower and better copy of stalltwo. ST dera might be a problem but non scarf set cant set up on me and if hes using scarf dera, get ready to face my terrakion and ttar. This is big reason scarf shandy not as broken as st wobb
 
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