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[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set's main purpose is not to check foes. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wallbreakers in the tier; in fact, Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb and Regenerator work well together to give Mienfoo a great advantage as a wallbreaker; the former allows Mienfoo to hit extremely hard, while the latter lets it last throughout the battle. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, as it 2HKOes most of the tier—even Croagunk—with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets as it is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most opponents that don't resist it. Stone Edge is vital to OHKO Shelmet and Larvesta; although they are both 2HKOed by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage. However, Larvesta can burn Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp if it is not immediately removed, making Stone Edge ideal. Fake Out rounds off the set, and gives your team strong priority thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and the Life Orb boost.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the top defensive threats, but can also play a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, which gives your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common check to Life Orb Mienfoo, Stunky is one of the best partners for this set; it effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit and OHKOes with Crunch. As this set can easily destroy most walls, other physical attackers are good partners. Timburr, for example, can take a hit or two from Misdreavus and retaliate with Payback. Timburr also appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, which Life Orb Mienfoo can assure.</p>
 
But seriously, this is apparently needs to be discussed since some people think its good and others don't. Please don't just immediately stamp or reject this until everyone has been heard.
 
So Life Orb Mienfoo is one of the hardest, if not the hardest Pokemon to switch into in this metagame, with the exception of maybe Houndour. It 2HKOS every relevant Pokemon in the tier with the exception of Misdreavus and although the ghost is very common, it's easily dealt with the likes of Stunky, Houndour, etc. Additionally, LoFoo is probably the best physical wall breaker in the tier. Typical Mienfoo checks are destroyed by this set, letting things like Timburr sweep with ease. Finally, with Regenerator, this thing is bring the pain throughout the match

Counterpoints: Blarajan mentioned on irc that this set doesn't do the main thing Mienfoo is supposed to do, beat Scraggy. This is true but this set is NOT a Scraggy check. It's a wall breaker. So the question we have to ask ourselves is are we going to reject all sets that are not checking Scraggy? Next, without Eviolite, Mienfoo can STILL take some neutral STAB moves! Just because this set forgoes Eviolite doesn't mean this set is destroyed by a simple breeze. Finally, the "Mienfoo is too slow in this meta" argument doesn't really mean anything because Mienfoo is not trying to beat any of the 19-base Speed Pokemon. Life Orb Foo is supposed to be getting in on walls on a double switch, Stealth Rock, Volt Switch, etc, and destroying the wall that is currently on the field or crushing the switch in.

These things have EVs I just changed the final stats on the damage calc because it's easier for me.
Meinfoo@Life Orb (0 EVs, Neutral Nature) Hi Jump Kick vs Croagunk@Evolution Stone (0/0 EVs, Neutral Nature): 54.1 ~ 66.6% (13 ~ 16 HP) That's a 2HKO without hazards support against the "Fighting-type" counter haters.

Mienfoo@Life Orb (0 EVs, Neutral Nature) Stone Edge vs Larvesta@Evolution Stone (0/0 EVs, Neutral Nature): 139.1 ~ 173.9% (32 ~ 40 HP) Destroyed.

Mienfoo@Life Orb (0 EVs, Neutral Nature) Stone Edge vs Shelmet@Evolution Stone (0/0 EVs, Neutral Nature): 95.6 ~ 113% (22 ~ 26 HP) Also destroyed.
 
I have tried using this and I love it. It might not be as good as several of Mienfoo's other sets, but it has a different niche in the metagame. This is not meant to be a defensive pivot on a team or a Scraggy check. This Mienfoo is meant to break down walls, scout, and even sweep if faster mons are taken down. There is a lot of room to play around with moves on here. Not only is it using different moves, but it uses a different EV spread. I believe that those, along with how differently it plays, is just too much to throw into the "additional comments" or "other options" sections and it should just get its own analysis.
 
I think it's pretty common knowledge that I dislike this set. Before going into that, I kind of just want to bash Sir for a minute. Sir, I've spoken to you for approximately an hour about this set, and once again, you completely ignore the arguments I actually made and discuss what you think I said. It's kind of like those debaters that ignore his opponents and then tries to rebut everything with a single terribly backed up line. I'm sorry, Sir, but talking about this Mienfoo with you has consistently irritated me, as you're so blinded by your adoration for it that you're incapable of taking into consideration other people's points.

Keeping that in mind, there has to be actual substance for my dislike of this Mienfoo. Sir slightly touched on them, but neglected the big issue. My two main arguments are:

1) Mienfoo's awkward speed tier makes it inevitable to take some hits when necessary and;

2) While Mienfoo's damage output is impressive, the bulk that it has to forgo and the Pokemon it now gets crushed by outweigh the boons of the increased power.

I personally believe that Mienfoo has to give up way too much for a function that isn't as appreciated for the team. It only hits 17 Speed, meaning it will probably end up taking some hits from faster Pokemon such as Misdreavus, Diglett, Staryu, Choice Scarf anything, etc. The difference is, unlike with standard Mienfoo, this Mienfoo does not have the bulk to take those hits. I recognize the purpose of this set is not to take those hits; however, I want Sir to understand that when playing with Mienfoo, it is honestly inevitable for these sorts of things to happen. Not being able to tank these hits when necessary has Mienfoo ending up as a liability when he's needed the most. The service Life Orb provides is just less important and less useful for the team, in my opinion, than standard bulky Mienfoo.

Sir liked to provide damage calculations when providing examples for his set's power. That's all fine and dandy, but I would like to point out that they don't mean all that much.

156 Atk Mienfoo Stone Edge vs 76 HP/76 Def Eviolite Larvesta: 121.74% - 156.52%

Standard Mienfoo already OHKOes Larvesta.

Next:

236 Atk Life Orb Mienfoo Stone Edge vs 116 HP/156 Def Eviolite Shelmet: 60.87% - 78.26%

Life Orb Mienfoo doesn't even do nearly as much as he is saying to standard Shelmet.

Fuck, it does even less than what Sir said to min bulk Shelmet...

236 Atk Life Orb Mienfoo Stone Edge vs 0 HP/0 Def Eviolite Shelmet: 76.19% - 95.24%

Finally, the HJK calculation is just incredibly incorrect. It does less than Sir's calc to min bulk Croagunk: 236 Atk Life Orb Mienfoo Hi Jump Kick vs 0 HP/0 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 52.38% - 61.9%

Actual Croagunk takes: 236 Atk Life Orb Mienfoo Hi Jump Kick vs 212 HP/36 Def Eviolite Croagunk: 41.67% - 50%

So there is a chance to 2HKO, but only 9/64 times.

So now let's not just exaggerate the power of this Mienfoo. I recognize that it's strong as fuck, but it's not as ridiculous as those calcs are making it seem.

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Regarding my points: Mienfoo hits 17 Speed. Fact. I know that is a fast Pokemon, but in this tier, the tier to hit is 19. There are many Pokemon that outspeed Mienfoo, such as the ones I mentioned above. Furthermore, priority in Little Cup is incredibly common, so it is not just as straight forward as Sir is trying to make it. As these Pokemon outspeed Mienfoo or hit it with its own priority moves, frequently it will have to take a hit in order to get its own powerful hit out. If you are honestly trying to say "This Mienfoo is never supposed to tank a hit before hand, and should only be used after you predict correctly and get it in for free" then I don't really think we will be having as much discussion as we are. QC rejection right there. Tanking hits IS necessary to use Mienfoo properly, and is necessary to use this set.

Now that it is established that Mienfoo is not the fastest Pokemon in the tier (obviously), and must take some hits, unless the crux of this set is perfect prediction, let's show some of the hits it now cannot take. Keep in mind that this set uses 2 HP ivs in order to reduce its natural HP from 21 to 19, so it only takes 1 HP of LO recoil as opposed to 2.

184 SpAtk Snover Blizzard vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Mienfoo: 94.74% - 115.79%
87.5% chance to OHKO
Possible HP Damage: 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 22

184 SpAtk Snover Blizzard vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Mienfoo: 57.14% - 71.43%
Possible HP Damage: 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15

252 SpAtk Staryu Hydro Pump vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Mienfoo: 94.74% - 115.79%
Possible HP Damage: 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 22

252 SpAtk Staryu Hydro Pump vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Mienfoo: 57.14% - 71.43%
Possible HP Damage: 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15

252 Atk Life Orb Diglett Earthquake vs 0 HP/36 Def Mienfoo: 100% - 115.79%
Possible HP Damage: 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 21, 22, 22, 22, 22

252 Atk Life Orb Diglett Earthquake vs 0 HP/196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 47.62% - 61.9%
Possible HP Damage: 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13

252 SpAtk Misdreavus Shadow Ball vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Mienfoo: 78.95% - 94.74%
Possible HP Damage: 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18

252 SpAtk Misdreavus Shadow Ball vs 0 HP/36 SpDef Eviolite Mienfoo: 42.86% - 57.14%
Possible HP Damage: 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12

252 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs 0 HP/36 Def Mienfoo: 68.42% - 84.21%
Possible HP Damage: 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 16

252 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs 0 HP/36 Def Mienfoo: 36.84% - 47.37%
Possible HP Damage: 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9

252 Atk Timburr Drain Punch vs 0 HP/196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 33.33% - 42.86%
Possible HP Damage: 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 9

252 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs 0 HP/196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 19.05% - 28.57%
Possible HP Damage: 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 6


And here's the kicker:

236 +1 Atk Scraggy Drain Punch vs 0 HP/36 Def Mienfoo: 84.21% - 110.53%
Possible HP Damage: 16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 21

236 +1 Atk Scraggy Drain Punch vs 0 HP/196 Def Eviolite Mienfoo: 42.86% - 57.14%
Possible HP Damage: 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 12

The above calculations were assuming the proper natures. Some used 252 evs because I got lazy.

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So in conclusion, this current Mienfoo set HAS to take hits unless you want to put a set that requires perfect prediction on site, and is unable to do so when necessary. Those are very common attacks, and nowhere near everything you see in the metagame. The difference is: standard Mienfoo can withstand them and retaliate when necessary, and Choice Scarf Mienfoo can outspeed them entirely and avoid the hit. The Mienfoo being recommended can do none of those things, and has to tank a hit it can't in order to attack. I believe not being able to tank these hits when necessary makes this Mienfoo a liability on one's team, as opposed to the current standard Mienfoo. The utility that standard Mienfoo provides completely blows away the coolness of Life Orb Mienfoo. This Mienfoo loses the ability to check the countless number of threats that Standard Mienfoo does, and increases the number of things it loses to as shown above, for the ability to hit incredibly hard. I don't think that's worth it.

I recognize that it is a cool set, and fun to use. I also recognize that it plays differently than the other Mienfoo sets. However, just because it plays differently does not mean it is good enough to go on site. Calm Mind Mienfoo plays differently as well, but is not being given an analysis. This Mienfoo is different, yes. But not good enough to come out of OO, in my opinion.

QC Rejected, 1/2. i'll wait a little =(
 
"blarajan said:
So in conclusion, this current Mienfoo set HAS to take hits unless you want to put a set that requires perfect prediction on site, and is unable to do so when necessary. Those are very common attacks, and nowhere near everything you see in the metagame. The difference is: standard Mienfoo can withstand them and retaliate when necessary, and Choice Scarf Mienfoo can outspeed them entirely and avoid the hit. The Mienfoo being recommended can do none of those things, and has to tank a hit it can't in order to attack. I believe not being able to tank these hits when necessary makes this Mienfoo a liability on one's team, as opposed to the current standard Mienfoo. The utility that standard Mienfoo provides completely blows away the coolness of Life Orb Mienfoo.
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Phew that was a read. Firstly, if you believe that this Mienfoo set HAS to take hits then you haven't tested it enough. In my experience, if Life Orb Mienfoo is taking a hit, you're probably in a terrible position anyways so it doesn't really matter. Secondly, how on earth does this set require perfect prediction. In fact, it requires little to no prediction. You get Mienfoo in on a wall, if they have Misdreavus you use U-turn as they switch to it, if not spam Hi Jump Kick. This set is incredibly easy to use and is not at all skill intensive like say Koffing.

I understand that this set cannot take hits, but Life Orb Mienfoo is NOT meant to take hits, and it seems you fail to understand that. I don't see how a set is rejected because it can't take hits when it needs to. Life Orb Houndour has horrid defensive typing and will take serious damage from any breeze. Does that mean Life Orb Houndour is not viable? Of course not. Substitute Gastly will eventually find itself in a situation where it will have to take a hit, so maybe Choice Scarf Gastly is the only viable Gastly set because it can outpace things so it won't have to take hits? Obviously false. Etc, etc. Just because something can't powerful STAB attacks doesn't mean that it's a liability on a team(I did peak one with Life Orb Mienfoo as the centerpiece of my team so I know for sure that it's not a liability).

So yes, I acknowledge the fact that Mienfoo can't take hits from faster Pokemon but it doesn't matter because it's NOT SUPPOSED to be taking those hits in the first place. Blarajan, you seem completely ignore all of the pros of this set. Only one Pokemon in the tier can switch into this thing, everything else is demolished. Regenerator means that this thing can survive throughout the battle so even though it can't take hits, it survives longer than some mons that actually can.

So in conclusion, just because something can't take hits doesn't mean it isn't viable. Blarajan, once you get past the fact that this thing is only taking hits when you're probably going to lose the battle anyway you'll learn that this set is incredibly anti-metagame and many other users have tried it and loved it,probably because they're not taking hits with it(AJ, Artemisa, and Prem like/love the set).

Elevator Music said:
But seriously, this is apparently needs to be discussed since some people think its good and others don't. Please don't just immediately stamp or reject this until everyone has been heard.
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Hey, hi. Not really the best player but I'd like to ask something... What is this checking/countering?

-super cool wall breaker
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That is, I assume, the relevant role in this set, isn't it? Then, Blarajan's calcs make no sense as it will not be facing Offensive Snover, Staryu, Digglet or Scraggy, as they are, clearly, not walls... But your clacs don't make sense either as NO ONE uses 0HP/0DEF neutral Shelmet, 0HP/0HP Croagunk or 0HP/0DEF Larvesta, do they?

Typical Mienfoo checks are destroyed by this set,
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I just don't see this point. The calcs on Blarajan's side are much more realistic. If this set is supposed to take on Walls and make easier for a sweeper to go through then the calcs should be made better; I mean, it cannot take on a Shelmet with an Acid Armor as it cannot stop recover, it cannot 2HKO Croagunk because Drain Punch + Life Orb Recoil + No-Eviolite will wear it down really quickly, and even if it doesn't carry Drain Punch a Shadow Ball on Mienfoo's weaker SpD side will take it down; in regards of Larvesta, Eviolite Mienfoo already checks it if it has Stone Edge so I see no point on running a LO with Mienfoo.

If it is a wallbreaker, how well does this set fares against Vullaby who Mienfoo can outpace to avoid the Brave Bird/Air Slash? I asume the response would be good with Stone Edge, but truth is Eviolite-set does well against it IF it carries Stone Edge, ergo LO is redundant. The same goes for Lileep who NEVER in its life should stay against a Mienfoo, whether Eviolite or LO. How well does it work against Hippo, the most common wall nowadays, who can use Earthquake (then, SS damage + LO recoil) or just stall you out until HJK misses? And Koffing? That one resist U-turn and HJK. Stone Edge shaky accuracy?

I'm not against this set as it is a new view on Mienfoo, I'm just saying it's not very clear what it does over other Mienfoo. It hits hard, yes, I can see that, but then I would use another Pokemon like Riolu who can hit like a truck, or Timburr who has Priority.

If this is meant to be a wallbreaker, then I'd use Toxic instead of Fake Out and that's something a lot of other Pokes can do. Then, I'd rather use Mienfoo as a defensive pivot rather than a wallbreaker as I have taunt users to stop the recover or set-up.

EDIT:

Life Orb Houndour has horrid defensive typing and will take serious damage from any breeze.
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This is, in fact, very true as they hit the same speed tier; BUT Houndour is a better wallbreaker as LO set is MIXED, and then, everywall is threatened by it.

On second thought, just like Houndour, this set, as far as I can see, it's very difficult to switch into...
 
Sir, you seem to have missed a big part of my post! It's not, "LO Mienfoo cannot take hits and thus it sucks." It's "because LO Mienfoo cannot take hits nor outspeed many of the Pokemon it would have to take a hit from, and because it is now unable to check many of the Pokemon Standard Mienfoo would have been able to due to this lack of bulk, I believe this is an inferior set to Standard Mienfoo, and thus should remain an, albeit large, OO mention."

Thanks for listening to my critique <3

edit1: fuck gk
edit2: we are not playing this game again
 
I think I'm leaning towards blarajan's points here (not that my opinion matters, but hey). Whenever I see or use mienfoo, I instantly assume that it's a pivot or go-to offensive guy if you like.

I think Mienfoo's main purpose in this metagame, is purely to support the team, in the form of picking off weakened things or picking up momentum and taking random hits. Granted, this set can do the first two, but one of the great things about mienfoo is due to its bulk and regenerator, you can play quite recklessly with him and get the game back in your favour, which you can't do with this set. It doesn't hold the revenge-killing niche that choice scarf sets have either.

Idk, if it's not revenge killing things like the choice scarf set and isn't viable to use for synergy, I think it's out-classed by eviolite sets. Personally, I think there are things that make better use of these "free" turns in which presumably you switch in mienfoo safely (I'm guessing after a u-turn or a kill) such as pawniard, offensive DD dratini, axew etc. Things that can actually kill more than one thing before switching out to due to how ridiculously easy this set is to revenge kill.
 
Alright this is getting annoying. This is NOT Eviolite Mienfoo. This is NOT Choice Scarf Mienfoo. Please stop comparing the two because they do completely different things. I don't care if this thing can't take hits because it doesn't NEED to take hits in order to attack. This set will never NEED to take a hit from anything faster than it because that's not how you play this set, and as a member of QC I'd expect you'd be able to test a set thoroughly enough to understand how a set works. This set is not TRYING to check anything blarajan, it doesn't want to take any of the calcs you listed and retaliate back.

Since blarajan seems to have selective reading let me just show you some examples of Mienfoo NOT taking hits and working in the manner that it needs to(oh and you'll see that this set is basically brainless and is never a liability).

:( No more log since Raseri is using the team in the log for his finals match :( In this example, once i got rid of Misdreavus, Mienfoo was able to demolish each and everyone of his switch ins. The only relevant hit that Mienfoo took was an Ice Shard from Snover.
 
Ok i know mienshao has high attack and sp.attack the only problem is that life orb and high jump kick have really bad recoil. on the other hand it will be able to sometimes ohko opponets.
 
Sir, after approximately 100 times repeating the argument I had made, your primary complaint and personal attacks towards me have, every single time, disregarded everything I have said and my main points regarding my opinion. I even explicitly said what my point was to you, as directly as I could, TWICE, that "it cannot take hits" is not my argument. Seeing as you have incredibly "selective reading" as you said, I'm going to stop arguing it with you, as you're going to completely disregard what I think once more, and say I'm wrong. Please don't tell me I'm ignoring your points when you're the only one here doing so.

I acknowledge the power of this set, as I've told you. I know this set isn't meant to take hits, as I've. Acknowldged. I've taken your arguments into consideration, but in my opinion, as I stated multiple times, "I think, even though Mienfoo is not meant to take hits, I believe because this set now loses to many of the Pokemon Mienfoo used to be able to check, and now loses to a whole host of new offensive threats it used to be able to beat (note I am not talking about Murkrow or Abra as standard also loses), and is incapable of taking a hit from or outspeeding a faster threat IF NECESSARY, the power that this set gets from Life Orb is not worth the bulk or speed it gives up from the other sets, and thus better suited for an OO mention."

Don't tell me I'm ignoring your arguments, or insulting you for doing so, if the only one here missing the argument is you. I don't think this Mienfoo is bad by any means, and did not play it as if it should tank things. I just think that what it gets is not worth what it loses.

I refuse to say this again, regardless of how many times you tell me Mienfoo is not meant to take hits.
 
Blarajan, please stop comparing Life Orb Mienfoo to regular Mienfoo. Each set has different purposes and you keep talking about how Life Orb Mienfoo losses to the things it's supposed to check, but you don't understand that this set is not supposed to check anything. Eviolite Mienfoo is a defensive pivot, Life Orb Mienfoo is a wall breaker. Stop saying that LoFoo is supposed to check things when that's not it jobs. Its job however is performed at a higher level than nearly every other Pokemon in the tier. Life Orb Mienfoo is only taking a hard hit from a faster foe is you're losing the battle, which is something that you seem to fail to realize. I dont care if this thing losses to faster Pokemon because it's not supposed to beat faster Pokemon. I dont care if this thing can't take a strong hit from Pokemon Eviolite Mienfoo is supposed to check because this set is not supposed to check anything.

You talk a lot of garbage about Life Orb Mienfoo, could you provide some logs of the set being a liability on your team? After all is said and done, everything we say is kind of irrelevant if we don't have actual battles to back up what we're saying right?
 
uhh I think we've all made the bulk of our arguments(aka me and blararara) so you guys can reject/approve this stuff now
 
QC Rejected (1/2)

Everything that can be said about this set has been said already, not only in this thread but in several previous others. While I think Life Orb is an okay set, it just doesn't do anything -that- much better than Eviolite. I could write a long post about why I don't like this set, but honestly it would just be too repetitive. Sorry Sir.
 
QC 1/2

ill actually check this after its for certain this will go up. but honestly if it doesnt go up, the analysis will not be as good as it could be because there are multiple people who do use lo mienfoo.
 
OK, after testing this a little I am going to go ahead and stamp it. It wasn't particularly amazing (perhaps poor team matchups/I just don't know how to use it right/my team sucked with it), but it was good enough to be stamped.

Here is my opinion: Overall, I found it slightly inferior to the standard Mienfoo. Blarajan's main point is that ignoring the fact that this Mienfoo can no longer check Scraggy (and whatever else), in many situations that do come up in battle, Mienfoo would rather use the extra bulk than the increase in power. This is definitely true. The standard Mienfoo does 'alright' against Pokemon that are faster than it, like Staryu and random Scarf Pokemon. This Mienfoo cannot even hope to beat those Pokemon, because its too frail. In Blarajan's words, "what it gets is not worth what it loses".

I'm not sure I agree with that though. It's much better as a wall breaker against more defensive or slower teams, playing a very similar role to Houndour (get it in in the right conditions and something dies). It might not be as powerful as Houndour, but its also a little better because Regenerator and lack of SR weak make it a somewhat easier to keep around, meaning you can bring it in multiple times! Obviously that also makes it good at cleaning up lategame too, especially with LO Fake Out. Basically, the fact that stuff like Hippopotas can be 2HKOed on the switchin is enough for me to differentiate it from standard Mienfoo, and I think this set is good enough at what it does to be included in the analysis.

This is kind of outside of my playstyle but I can't really deny that it has use. I like standard Mienfoo more though...

Stamp 2/2
 
I'd like to see a third stamp on this before Sir starts to write it up since a QC member had rejected this analysis before it got approved.
 
In my opinion, I think we're making a bit of a big deal about this. Maybe it's not a perfect set, but no set is, and even standard Mienfoo has its weaknesses. Sure, it's bad at doing its normal job, but it achieves a different kill list and that's a common definition of a lure. If a lure / surprise set could achieve the usual kills, tank the usual hits, and do the usual job of a Pokemon alongside whatever the surprise achieves for it, the surprise set would become the most common because it does more. We should expect that some sets are slightly inferior to others, but they achieve different team roles. No other Pokemon in LC can act as a Life Orb Fake Out HJK Regenerator Pokemon, so a set should be on-site to display this niche. Certainly blara has brought up some good points, but the set can of course list the cons and disadvantages when compared to standard Mienfoo.

If sir really wants to write it, why don't we just let him?

If you must, call this the extra QC approval Aerrow desired.
 
mind if I give it a try? :B
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name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set is not meant to check anything. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wall breakers in the tier as Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb in conjunction with Regenerator allows Mienfoo to not only hit extremely hard, but also last throughout the battle;, a fact that isn't true about any other wall breaker in the tier. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, 2HKOing most of the tier, including Croagunk with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets since as it Mienfoo is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most things that don't resist it. Stone Edge is very important for to takeing out Shelmet and Larvesta, and although they're both 2HKO'd by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage, Stone Edge nets an important OHKO, as the latter can burn you Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp. Fake Out rounds off the set, giving your team strong priority due thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and Life Orb.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, which and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the tops Little Cup defensive threats, but it also plays a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, giving your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common Life Orb Mienfoo check, Stunky is one of the best partners for this set. Stunky effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit, and OHKOesS with Crunch. Since Because this Mienfoo set can easily destroys most walls, other physical attackers are good partners <Why?>. Timburr can take a hit or two from Misdreavus, retaliate with Payback, and appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, all of whicho are defeated by Life Orb Mienfoo?Misdreavus.</p>

I guess that's it. I didn't understand the underlined sentence; I believe you're trying to say that Stunky can faint Missy with Pursuit if she tries to escape or Crunch if she decides to stay in. I would just reword it.
 
worked over Cereza's check

[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set's main purpose is not meant to check anything foes. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wall breakers wallbreakers in the tier; as in fact, Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb in conjunction with Regenerator and Regenerator work well together to give Mienfoo a great advantage as a wallbreaker; the formerr allows Mienfoo to not only hit extremely hard, but also last throughout the battle while the latter lets it last throughout the battle ;a fact that isn't true about any other wall breaker in the tier. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, 2HKOing as it 2HKOes most of the tier—including even Croagunk—with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets as Mienfoo is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most things opponents that don't resist it. Stone Edge is very important to take out vital to OHKO Shelmet and Larvesta; and although they're they are both 2HKO'd 2HKOed by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage, Stone Edge nets an important OHKO, as the latter can burn Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp if it is not immediately removed. Fake Out rounds off the set, giving and gives your team strong priority thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and the Life Orb boost.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, which and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the top defensive threats, but it can also plays a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, giving which gives your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common check to Life Orb Mienfoo check, Stunky is one of the best partners for to this set. Stunky ; it effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit, and OHKOes with Crunch. Because As this set can easily destroy most walls, other physical attackers are good partners. Timburr, for example, can take a hit or two from Misdreavus, and retaliate with Payback. and it also appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, all of which are defeated by which Life Orb Mienfoo ? (you had Misdreavus here before, but that doesn't make much sense) can assure.</p>
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[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe / 36 Def

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set's main purpose is not to check foes. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wallbreakers in the tier; in fact, Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb and Regenerator work well together to give Mienfoo a great advantage as a wallbreaker; the former allows Mienfoo to hit extremely hard, while the latter lets it last throughout the battle. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, as it 2HKOes most of the tier—even Croagunk—with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets as Mienfoo is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most opponents that don't resist it. Stone Edge is vital to OHKO Shelmet and Larvesta; although they are both 2HKOed by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage, the latter can burn Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp if it is not immediately removed. Fake Out rounds off the set, and gives your team strong priority thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and the Life Orb boost.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the top defensive threats, but can also play a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, which gives your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common check to Life Orb Mienfoo, Stunky is one of the best partners to this set; it effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit, and OHKOes with Crunch. As this set can easily destroy most walls, other physical attackers are good partners. Timburr, for example, can take a hit or two from Misdreavus and retaliate with Payback. it also appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, which Life Orb Mienfoo can assure.</p>

gpstamp



Sir, a few things of note:

firstly, don't use since where you mean as/ because :]

secondly, these are actually grammatically incorrect (watch for these when you amcheck as well, it's actually very common!)

Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, 2HKOing most of the tier
Fake Out rounds off the set, giving your team strong priority
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they should instead read something like this:

"Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, as it 2HKOes most of the tier" and
"Fake Out rounds off the set by giving your team strong priority"
 
Hi
GP Check said:
[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 236 SpeDef / 236 DefSpe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set's main purpose is not to check foes. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wallbreakers in the tier; in fact, Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb and Regenerator work well together to give Mienfoo a great advantage as a wallbreaker; the former allows Mienfoo to hit extremely hard, while the latter lets it last throughout the battle. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, as it 2HKOes most of the tier—even Croagunk—with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets as Mienfooit is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most opponents that don't resist it. Stone Edge is vital to OHKO Shelmet and Larvesta; although they are both 2HKOed by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage, the latter. However, Larvesta can burn Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp if it is not immediately removed, making Stone Edge ideal. Fake Out rounds off the set, and gives your team strong priority thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and the Life Orb boost.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the top defensive threats, but can also play a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, which gives your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common check to Life Orb Mienfoo, Stunky is one of the best partners tofor this set; it effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit, and OHKOes with Crunch. As this set can easily destroy most walls, other physical attackers are good partners. Timburr, for example, can take a hit or two from Misdreavus and retaliate with Payback. itTimburr also appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, which Life Orb Mienfoo can assure.</p>
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[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Stone Edge
move 4: Fake Out
item: Life Orb
ability: Regenerator
nature: Jolly
evs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike other Mienfoo sets, this set's main purpose is not to check foes. With a Life Orb equipped, Mienfoo becomes one of the best wallbreakers in the tier; in fact, Misdreavus is the only Pokemon who can comfortably switch into it. Life Orb and Regenerator work well together to give Mienfoo a great advantage as a wallbreaker; the former allows Mienfoo to hit extremely hard, while the latter lets it last throughout the battle. Hi Jump Kick is the crux of this set, as it 2HKOes most of the tier—even Croagunk—with Stealth Rock support. U-turn is a staple on most Mienfoo sets as it is able to force switches; a Life Orb boosted U-turn also does a significant amount of damage to most opponents that don't resist it. Stone Edge is vital to OHKO Shelmet and Larvesta; although they are both 2HKOed by Hi Jump Kick after Stealth Rock damage. However, Larvesta can burn Mienfoo with Flame Body or Will-O-Wisp if it is not immediately removed, making Stone Edge ideal. Fake Out rounds off the set, and gives your team strong priority thanks to Mienfoo's high Attack stat and the Life Orb boost.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>This set doesn't have a lot of other moves it can use. Knock Off is about the only viable alternative, and can be used over Fake Out. With Knock Off, Mienfoo not only retains its ability to take down many of the top defensive threats, but can also play a more supportive role by getting rid of your opponent's Eviolites, which gives your own sweepers an easier time.</p>

<p>As Misdreavus is the best and most common check to Life Orb Mienfoo, Stunky is one of the best partners for this set; it effortlessly traps Misdreavus with a STAB Pursuit and OHKOes with Crunch. As this set can easily destroy most walls, other physical attackers are good partners. Timburr, for example, can take a hit or two from Misdreavus and retaliate with Payback. Timburr also appreciates having Shelmet, Hippopotas, and Larvesta out of the picture, which Life Orb Mienfoo can assure.</p>
 
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