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M&M Mix and Mega

:Raging-Bolt: @ Froslassite
Stats: 125/73/91/197/119/85
- Thunderclap
Another insane Spa stat, this time with priority

:Iron-Treads: @ Skarmorite
Stats: 90/172/90/72/100/146
- Earthquake
- Iron head
- Filler
- Rapid spin
Faster and stonger than ever, and still resisting pixie espeed!
i will say that both of these are directly outclassed by luc/dia and metagrossite respectively, i dont think either stone will have a niche until we actually know what the abilities are. id imagine skarm gets tough claws which does seem like it'd be promising altho that defense drop is NOT nice, but im not sure what froslass would get - probably a signature ability?
 
can someone w/ a lot more time on their hands compile every new stone stat/type change and drop it in thread ples
Please, please do not open this if you want to avoid any leaks or spoilers regarding Legends ZA.
I put together this graphic to visualize how these new mega stones could shake things up.
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Please note that the ability on Mega-Starmie is SPECULATION. Also, Zygarde seems to only gain 70 BST. We do not have an explanation for this at the current moment.
 
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Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
Fighting
| +4kg )

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Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3kg )

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Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, −20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A )

:latiasite: Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +
Flying
| +2.3kg )

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Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A )

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Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8kg )

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Dragoninite (−10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80kg )

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Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A )

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Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5kg )

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Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3kg )

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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6kg )

:latiosite: Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, +10 Special Attack | Torrent | +
Dragon
| +20kg )

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Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9kg )

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Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3kg )

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Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37kg )

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Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A )

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Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5kg )

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Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary | N/A | +22.8kg )

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Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +
Fairy
| +100.5kg )

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Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8kg )

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Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1kg )

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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, −50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30kg )

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Skarmorite (+60 Attack, −30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1kg )

:latiasite: Starminite (+25 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Huge/Pure Power | N/A | N/A ) (probably)

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Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110kg )

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Zygardite (−30 Attack, −30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, −10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Power Construct? | N/A | N/A )

made one in the style of the current stone list

also note that the abilities there are just the base ability of the mon, as that is how these stones will likely work in a custom implementation. I kinda hope they dont do that though, cuz most of these abilities are so ass..
 
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Heres some theorymonning for the two differing cases of scolipite

:deoxys-speed: 50/135/150/115/120/130
Deoxys-Speed @ Scolipite
Ability: Pressure (Speed Boost)
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Stealth Rock
- Taunt
- Psycho Boost

Ban worthy. This mfer might even be better as a nasty plot stored power abuser idk

:zamazenta: 92/160/175/100/145/88
Zamazenta @ Scolipite
Ability: Dauntless Shield (Speed Boost)
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Def / Filler
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- Don’t Know
- Don’t Know
- Don’t Know

I dont even know what to run on this guy, but this is REALLY funny
:gallade: 68/165/120/85/145/30
:gardevoir: 68/105/125/145/145/30
- Teleport

These two get teleport. Idk if there are better options available but slow pivoting is always a nice thing to have. I dont really have full sets in mind for these two.

Theres also the objectively funnier slow pivot:
:slowking-galar: 95/105/140/130/140/1
Slowking-Galar @ Scolipite
Ability: Regenerator (???)
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Chilly Reception
- Slack Off
- Future Sight
- Sludge Bomb

One. Thats as slow as it gets. Lmao.
 
Surprised that there hasn't been a ton of activity here, but then again we can probably blame no known abilities for that.

Anyways I wanna highlight Meganiumite because while the lack of a Speed boost hurts, I'd argue that the SpAtk boost + Fairy typing more than makes up for it.

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Gengar for instance loves the massive boost to it's power, and the new found neutrality to Dark, Ground, and Psychic type moves. Plus it has Dazzling Gleam to take advantage of the new Fairy sub typing.

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Still outclassed by Iron Moth though in terms of stats. 200 base SpAtk with Fiery Dance is no joke. Also likes losing the psychic weakness and going from double weakness to ground to just a plain weakness. Not that it will help a ton seeing as the bulk still leaves much to be desired.

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Also gives Mons like Cinderace the potential to run mixed sets. To lure in a physical wall only to blast them with a now boosted Special attack.

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Also means you can give Steel types like Hisuian Goodra the amazing Steel / Fairy typing on top of some additional bulk and a massive boost to it's SpAtk which it can use a lot more effectively than the Altarianite's boost to it's Atk thanks to it's wide Special movepool.

Also here is Altarianite Hisuian Goodra for comparison.
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Deoxys-Speed is another solid potential user for the Meganiumite, and it certainly appreciates the boost to it's bulk and lessened weakness to Dark type moves, and of course the boost to it's SpAtk making it a massive threat with Nasty Plot.

Of course, this is almost entirely dependant on what the ability actually is, because for all we know it could get something like Leaf Guard and be damn near useless outside of sun, or Triage and be even stronger than initially thought, or some other new ability that we have no way of predicting.

Still, I don't think not knowing the abilities is reason enough to not try and speculate about how the new stones will fair, because even if the abilities wind up proving our predictions dead wrong, I think it's still fun to think about and speculate.
 

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Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +
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| +2.3 Kg)
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Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)
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Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)
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Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)
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Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +
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| +100.5 Kg)
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Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +
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| +20 Kg)
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Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)
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Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)
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Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)
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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)
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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)
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Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)
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Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)
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Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)
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Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)
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Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)
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Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)
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Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)
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Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)
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Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary | N/A | +22.8 Kg)
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Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)
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Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)
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Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)
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Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)
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Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)
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Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)
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Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)
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Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +
Steel.png
| +7 Kg)
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Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +
Ghost.png
| +2 Kg )
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Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +
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Primary | +25.1 Kg)
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Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Lucarionite Z (-10 Attack, +49 Special Attack, +61 Speed | Adaptability | N/A | -4.6 Kg)
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Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)
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Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)
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Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)
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Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)
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Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)
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Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +
Steel.png
| +40 Kg)
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Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)
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Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)
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Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)
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Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)
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Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)
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Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)
 
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Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +
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| +2.3 Kg)
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Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)
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Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)
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Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)
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Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +
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| +100.5 Kg)
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Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +
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| +20 Kg)
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Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)
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Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)
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Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)
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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)
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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)
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Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)
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Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)
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Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)
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Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)
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Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)
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Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)
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Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)
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Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)
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Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary | N/A | +22.8 Kg)
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Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)
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Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)
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Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)
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Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)
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Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)
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Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)
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Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)
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Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +
Steel.png
| +7 Kg)
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Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +
Ghost.png
| +2 Kg )
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Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +
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Primary | +25.1 Kg)
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Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Lucarionite Z (-10 Attack, +49 Special Attack, +61 Speed | Adaptability | N/A | -4.6 Kg)
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Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)
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Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)
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Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)
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Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)
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Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)
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Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +
Steel.png
| +40 Kg)
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Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)
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Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)
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Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)
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Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)
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Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)
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Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)
Can you make a shorter list of the ones that are relevant thanks I love you
 
Can you make a shorter list of the ones that are relevant thanks I love you
Worry not UT I gotchu, as someone who is very qualified and totally has not kept up with anything regarding MnM for the last 4 months I'll offer my takes & predicions on each stone, and highlight which ones I believe will be good and which ones will join Abomasite as "worst stone ever"

Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +
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| +2.3 Kg)

Maaan this could've been absolutely goated if it gave Magic Guard > Cute Charm, unfortunately it doesn't which leaves it kind of mediocre, +Flying is interesting atleast and it gives alright stats but nothing to write home about.

Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)

Chlorophyll stone is very exciting, and finally gives Sun teams some new tools to work with, will probably be the premier option over Scovillainite, hard to say if I'm coping or not but definetly something I'll wanna try out

Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)

The stats are very appealing, but don't be fooled, it's probably not very great, being essentially another version of Mewtwonite X but no Fighting-type, which like sure it's better but still not that great I feel.

Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)

Mediocre, Good stats but no useful ability which leaves it in the dust compared to other options.

Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +
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| +100.5 Kg)

Okay guys what if Audinite gave like, a billion SpAtk instead. Honestly might be good on Spectrier but don't see it getting used by anyone else really.

Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +
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| +20 Kg)

Right in the bin together with all the other +Dragon stones, this one is especially underwhelming since it doesn't have an ability

Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)

Cool stone & cool stats, however ability is useless and I can't really figure out who'd wanna use this over any TC stone/lopunnite/diancite

Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)

Holdup maybe Abomasite isn't that bad actually, Good stats and if you do run snow or Glowking you might be able to get some bullshit off, so it has potential atleast

Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)

Just bad, mediocre stats + useless ability

Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)

Another weather stone I'm excited to try out, coulda perhaps wished for a little more Atk but still getting more of these weather stones is always cool and we have setters in Hippowdon & Tyranitarite

Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)

Holy defensive stats, -50 Speed is not even bad and works great on any slow pivots so it's basically free stats, and Poison Point is arguably not even that bad even if there's a lot of Steel-types in the tier, a welcome addition.

Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)

I guess this could maybe potentially idk pull off Rest bullshit, but otherwise looks underwhelming.

Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)

Hell yeah, offensive levitate stones are always welcome (Sorry latiosite we didn't really like you), I expect this to see some use at the very least.

Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)

Meh, I expect Heatranite to just be superior, hard to think of anyone that'd really prefer the speed, not terrible but also not the most amazing thing ever.

Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)

This one rocks if you've developed amnesia and forgot about Sablenite, if you do remember Sablenite odds are you'll quickly forget about this one too.

Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)

Again, Stones that gives good stats but no useful ability tend to not be that great, and this is no exception.

Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)

What did I just say.

Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)

On everyone's soul we will not be dealing with Rivalry, also stats are not that great.

Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)

This is eerily similar to Pyroarite, but it does share the mediocre factor, aka not that great.

Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary | N/A | +22.8 Kg)

I totally support this stone being legal for atleast but I also expect it to get immediately banned after lmao Contrary + any speed is hideously broken.

Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
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| +4 Kg)

It's another TC stone woohoo, but it does actually give some decent stats and if you do fancy the +Fighting then it's a good option.

Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)

Why would I run this over Scolipite.

Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)

Limber is an interesting ability but unfortunately it does not give any speed which does not make up for that, bad.

Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)

That stat spread is just absurd lol, I expect this to either get banned sometime or for it to become the premier stone for Spatkers, it's basically Diancite but you trade the speed for being allowed to drop atomic bombs, and with the few good Special walls you can imagine how fun that might turn out, but maybe I'm wrong and the negative defenses and not huge speed increase keeps it fair.

Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)

If you're a bit of a psycho you could make Sub + Agil sets or Sub with a really speedy spatker work, but if you're normal and expect consistency then yeah it's not the best

Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)

Good stats, but unfortunately the ability won't save it, even if Battle Armor technically ain't that bad.

Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)

Oh lord we've gotten Surge Surfer stones, unfortunately Koko is not here & Mirai is illegal which makes these remain potential man for now

Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)

Same as above, but more minmaxed which is actually great if there were ANY. GOOD. SETTERS.

Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +
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| +7 Kg)

The main talk of the town, and for great reasons, this is a great addition that lets balance teams finally stop running Magearna and can instead run something else that pairs well with Physdef Etern, I expect this to become 2nd best defensive stone to Sablenite.

Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +
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| +2 Kg )

Lots of people have been gassing this up so I'll bold it, but I don't really see it? Huge speed stat sure, and +Ghost is exciting but it doesn't really help anyone and to me kind of just looks worse than Diancite, but maybe somebody's gonna cook with this.

Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +
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Primary | +25.1 Kg)

Defensive stone that gives +Fighting. Just put it in the bag bruh this is not seeing any use, especially since Manectite exists.

Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +
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| +4 Kg)

I haven't kept up much with leaks but the fuck is up with the minmaxing. Probably average unless you're able to cook up that devious sand team, but even then +Dragon hurts a lot.

Lucarionite Z (-10 Attack, +49 Special Attack, +61 Speed | Adaptability | N/A | -4.6 Kg)

Second stone I expect to be banned in a week or two, this is just Lucarionite but better which quite frankly is impressive that GF managed to create this.

Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)

I think this is a solid addition, since our only other Fire-immune option was Blue Orb which, lets honest kind of stinks.

Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)

(What the fuck did they do to Darkrai...) Uhh not much to write home about just another stat blod with an unusable ability, not great.

Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)

This seems quite good on paper until you realize that almost any other TC stone outshine it, which is a shame but it's the truth.

Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)

Good stats, bad ability lets keep it going folks.

Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)

I don't see a single use case for this stone so it joins the hot garbage pile.

Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +
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| +40 Kg)

Mostly highlighting cause it's an interesting stone, I don't actually think it'll have many applications but stats + typing is good so you never know.

Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)

What if you wanted to run base Spectrier but actually it's Mega spectrier! This seems quite decent, and has lots of snowball potential, definetly has its use cases.

Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)

YES! We did it folks. We got an Electric-immune stone that doesn't lose to Altarianite Eleki! Aside from that stats are quite solid, but the first part is more exciting.

Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)

Same thoughts as Victreebellite, but you'd run this on the physical attackers.

Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)

Oh... oh no, Toxic Debris but anyone can have it... Thankfully we do have a lot of ways to circument it from Etern, Pecha & Iron Moth being very popular to all the Steel-types in the tier to more options for Levitate, but Big HO is not gonna like this stone.

Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)

You know the deal, bad ability but good stats- wait, no, the stats are bad here as well.

Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)

Cool alternative to beat WoW Arceus formes, unfortunately I don't think it'll see a lot of use especially with no speed but still neat.

In summary, the stones I think will be good / have potential are:
  • Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll
  • Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush
  • Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point
  • Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate
  • Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary
  • Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
    Fighting.png
  • Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break
  • Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +
    Steel.png
  • Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +
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  • Lucarionite Z (-10 Attack, +49 Special Attack, +61 Speed | Adaptability
  • Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire
  • Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +
    Steel.png
  • Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart
  • Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb
  • Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll
  • Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris

With the only stones I'm expecting to get instabanned being Bolded.
Since this is only based on datamines and nothing it fully confirmed things are naturally subject to change, but if these changes stay final then these are my thoughts, can't wait to be proven wrong in like two months lmao
 
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Clefablite (+10 Attack, +20 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Cute Charm | +
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| +2.3 Kg)
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Victreebelite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +110 Kg)
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Starminite (+65 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +5 Speed | Illuminate | N/A | N/A)
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Dragoninite (-10 Attack, +20 Defense, +45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Inner Focus | N/A | +80 Kg)
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Meganiumite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +60 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Overgrow | +
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| +100.5 Kg)
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Feraligite (+55 Attack, +25 Defense, + 10 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense | Torrent | +
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| +20 Kg)
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Skarmorite (+60 Attack, -30 Defense, +30 Special Defense, +40 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | -10.1 Kg)
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Froslassite (+60 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Snow Cloak | N/A | +3 Kg)
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Emboarite (+25 Attack, +10 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Blaze | N/A | +30.3 Kg)
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Excadrite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +15 Speed | Sand Rush | N/A | +19.6 Kg)
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Scolipite (+40 Attack, +60 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, -50 Speed | Poison Point | N/A | +30 Kg)
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Scraftinite (+40 Attack, +20 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Shed Skin | N/A | +1 Kg)
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Eelektrossite (+30 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Levitate | N/A | +79.5 Kg)
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Chandelurite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +35.3 Kg)
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Chesnaughtite (+30 Attack, +50 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -20 Speed | Overgrow | N/A | N/A)
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Delphoxite (+45 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense, +30 Speed | Blaze | N/A | N/A)
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Greninjite (+30 Attack, +10 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +10 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Torrent | N/A | N/A)
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Pyroarite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Rivalry | N/A | +11.8 Kg)
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Floettite (+20 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Flower Veil | N/A | +99.9 Kg)
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Malamarite (+10 Attack, +30 Special Attack, +45 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Contrary | N/A | +22.8 Kg)
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Barbaracite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Tough Claws | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Dragalgite (+10 Attack, +15 Defense, +35 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense | Poison Point | N/A | +18.8 Kg)
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Hawluchanite (+45 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Defense | Limber | N/A | +3.5 Kg)
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Zygardite (-30 Attack, -30 Defense, +125 Special Attack, -10 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Aura Break | N/A | N/A)
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Drampanite (+25 Attack, +25 Defense, +25 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Berserk | N/A | N/A)
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Falinksite (+35 Attack, +35 Defense, +5 Special Defense, +25 Speed | Battle Armor | N/A | +37 Kg)
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Raichunite X (+45 Attack, +40 Defense, +15 Special Defense | Surge Surfer | N/A | +8 Kg)
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Raichunite Y (+10 Attack, +70 Special Attack, +20 Speed | Surge Surfer | N/A | -4 Kg)
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Chimechite (+30 Defense, +40 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Levitate | +
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| +7 Kg)
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Absolite Z (+24 Attack, +76 Speed | Magic Bounce | +
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| +2 Kg )
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Staraptite (+20 Attack, +30 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Intimidate | +
Fighting.png
Primary | +25.1 Kg)
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Garchompite Z (-10 Defense, +61 Special Attack, +49 Speed | Sand Force | +
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| +4 Kg)
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Lucarionite Z (-10 Attack, +49 Special Attack, +61 Speed | Adaptability | N/A | -4.6 Kg)
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Heatranite (+30 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +35 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Flash Fire | N/A | +140 Kg)
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Darkranite (+30 Attack, +40 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +40 Special Defense, -40 Speed | Bad Dreams | N/A | +189.5 Kg)
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Golurkite (+35 Attack, +25 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +25 Special Defense | Iron Fist | N/A | N/A)
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Meowsticite (+60 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense, +20 Speed | Keen Eye | N/A | +1.6 Kg)
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Crabominite (+25 Attack, +45 Defense, +40 Special Defense, -10 Speed | Hyper Cutter | N/A | +72.8 Kg)
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Golisopite (+25 Attack, +35 Defense, +10 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense | Emergency Exit | +
Steel.png
| +40 Kg)
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Magearnite (+30 Attack, +40 Special Attack, +30 Speed | Soul-Heart | N/A | +167.6 Kg)
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Zeraorite (+45 Attack, +45 Special Attack, +10 Speed | Volt Absorb | N/A | N/A)
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Scovillainite (+30 Attack, +20 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +20 Special Defense | Chlorophyll | N/A | +7 Kg)
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Glimmoranite (+35 Attack, +15 Defense, +20 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense, +15 Speed | Toxic Debris | N/A | +32 Kg)
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Tatsugirinite (+15 Attack, +30 Defense, +15 Special Attack, +30 Special Defense, +10 Speed | Commander | N/A | N/A)
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Baxcalibrite (+30 Attack, +25 Defense, +30 Special Attack, +15 Special Defense | Thermal Exchange | N/A | +105 Kg)
Sweet merciful Neptune who thought it would be a good idea to spam all of the most useless baseline Abilities? Cute Charm? Feraligatr losing Sheer Force and gaining Dragon typing without at least Fairy Purifying Salt? I'm glad I skipped ZA.

I shouldn't have commented, I don't even play MnM.
 
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Sweet merciful Neptune who thought it would be a good idea to spam all of the most useless baseline Abilities? Cute Charm? Feraligatr losing Sheer Force and <i>gaining</i> Dragon typing without at least Fairy Purifying Salt? I'm glad I skipped ZA.
right now the real abilities dont exist so theyre all just placeholders which are just the first ability in the ability slots (or the ability of alternate forms if any - this includes surge surfer from alolachu for the raichus, for some reason)
 
right now the real abilities dont exist so theyre all just placeholders which are just the first ability in the ability slots (or the ability of alternate forms if any - this includes surge surfer from alolachu for the raichus, for some reason)
My suggestion is to use the abilities from Legends ZA OU, but I think that might not be OM material and could be relegated to a side format in the Pet Mod itself
 
My suggestion is to use the abilities from Legends ZA OU, but I think that might not be OM material and could be relegated to a side format in the Pet Mod itself
Not happening, those are made up and antithetical to OMs ergo why it is a Petmod. We base things based on concrete data and are making an exception for MnM that defaults to the first native ability for now.
 
After some research as well as playing a few roomtours and some ladder games, I’ve gathered my thoughts on some of the new ZA Stones

Some nasty sets I’ve found:

Anything with Zygardite: It gives +108 HP due to Zygarde needing to be Complete form to mega. This allows for some bulky attacker ideas despite the defense drops. These two are probably the best abusers

:pecharunt: @ Zygardite
Pecharunt @ Zygardite
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Malignant Chain
- Shadow Ball
- Recover
- Nasty Plot
196/53/130/213/78/103
Insane statline, the defense drops don’t really matter too much when its HP stat is doubled.

:deoxys-defense: @ Zygardite
Deoxys-Defense @ Zygardite
Ability: Pressure
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Nasty Plot
158/40/130/195/150/105
Same as above, although possibly better typing since less weaknesses.

Anything with Lucarionite Z: wow who would’ve guessed the Lucarionite + Diancite stone without defense drops would be broken.

:delphox: @ :lucarionite: (Z)
Delphox @ Lucarionite Z
Ability: Blaze
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Psychic / Psyshock / Expanding Force
- Grass Knot
- Nasty Plot
75/59/72/163/100/165
I like having my broken Luc Z sweeper at least somewhat ESpeed resistant, Fire/Psychic STAB is also hard to check.

:pecharunt: @ :lucarionite: (Z)
Pecharunt @ Lucarionite Z
Ability: Poison Puppeteer
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Malignant Chain
- Shadow Ball
- Recover
- Nasty Plot
88/78/160/139/88/149
Pretty much just better Diancite Pecharunt. Not much else to say, LucniteZ broken.

This guy:

:iron-boulder: @ :lopunnite: (pretend this is Barbaracite)
Iron Boulder @ Barbaracite
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Rock
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Mighty Cleave
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
90/155/95/78/128/144
Speed could be better but this thing has almost no switchins, Arc-Fairy was the only one I could find and even it struggles when it takes Spikes chip from Hamurott.

Overrated items imo:

Malamarite: Feels overhyped, only abuser I will respect is Iron Moth. Other users have too many weaknesses, Magearna’s slow and has bad coverage, for DeoS its pretty much worse NP if opponent has a Dark type, and Draco spammers can easily be played around by switching in a Fairy or revenging with PixiSpeed.

Excadrite: Probably new toy syndrome, to me it just feels like Swampertite but its archetype has less tools.


Edit: Apparently Zygardite also gives +135 SpA and only +5 Spe, doesn't impact the sets posted above too much though since both are meant to be bulky anyways.
 
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Malamarite: Feels overhyped
Only really half-agree here. While idt its going to be absolutely meta defining i do think it will absolutely be uncompetitive enough to get banned at some point in the future, especially with some potent abusers like Hammer Arm Metagross and Deo-S, or even the lati twins or pult.
I could also see some more niche guys like Revavroom (Spin Out) or Okidogi (Bulky Superpower + Phazing Immunity) doing somewhat ok, too, in the event that latios and friends dont get malamarite banned outright
 
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