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This thread is to allow all monotype players to share cool sets and ideas they have seen or made in the metagame. The idea is to not only increase the usage of unique sets in monotype but also to showcase how less used pokemon can be adapted for the monotype metagame. Below states what it means to have a creative or underrated set within the monotype metagame. Any post that is considered a gimmick will not be tolerated in the thread and deleted.

1. What is a creative moveset?
A) It has not previously been widely used.
B) It successfully pulls off a role, and is not strictly outclassed by other Pokemon in that role.
C) It takes advantage of metagame trends.
D) It has had some success. Post replays / logs to strengthen your case.

2. What is an underrated moveset?
A) It is an existing set that for whatever reason isn't common.
B) Its use is meant to prey on specific facets of the metagame.
C) It might be able to surprise and demolish Pokemon that normally counter the usual sets, but does not become a bad gimmick in order to do so.

3. What constitutes a good post?
1) Have a good description of the set.
2) Having relevant calcs to go along with the post.
3) Why did you use this set over the standard set?
4) Showing replays of the set in action.

4. What are some things that constitute a bad gimmick?
A) Using a Pokemon that has no business being used in Monotype, for the sake of using it (Shedinja / Glaceon).
B) Movesets that are inferior and ineffective compared to existing movesets (e.g. Swords Dance Venusaur), or using an obscure move for the sake of hitting an even more obscure check or counter.
C) Movesets that are utterly impractical or are horribly outclassed by another Pokemon (e.g. Dragon Dance Crawdaunt).
D) A bad gimmick is not limited to the above, though. The moderator team and I will use our best judgment to determine which sets should be deleted
E) If your set has been brought up multiple times and rejected for being a gimmick it will be listed in the Gimmicky/Rejected Sets in the OP

If you have a question about the thread VM me on Smogon and or pm me on Showdown
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Every submission to this thread will be responded to in a wave. If the submission is infact Creative and or Underrated it will be approved, however if it is a common set or unviable I will provide an explanation to why the set was not approved. Please also provide replays and a proper description of what the unique set does whether its the EVs, what it techs with a surprise move, etc.​
 

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Defensive Sets
Unaware Hazards Setter Clefable
by Wanka
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 172 Def / 84 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
- Moonlight
- Fire Blast

Stored Power Necromza by incorolla
Prometheus (Necrozma) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Morning Sun
- Iron Defense

Offensive Sets
Steel Check A-Golem (Rock)
by Bitana
Fire punch? (Golem-Alola) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 184 Atk / 160 SpA / 164 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Wild Charge
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

Z-Mirror Move Tapu Koko by Declarity
Tapu Koko @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wild Charge
- U-turn
- Brave Bird
- Mirror Move

LO Healing Wish Jirachi by Shadestep
KNOCK YOU DOWN (Jirachi) @ Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Energy Ball / Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Healing Wish

Spikes Golisopod by Tyke
Golisopod @ Life Orb / Leftovers / Insect Plate
Ability: Emergency Exit
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- First Impression
- Spikes
- Aqua Jet / Sucker Punch
- Liquidation / Leech Life

Z Focus Punch Buzzwole (Bug) by Tyke
Buzzwole @ Fightium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 SpE
Jolly Nature
- Focus Punch
- Earthquake
- Substitute
- Ice Punch / Stone Edge

Salac Endure Garchomp by Hammy
Garchomp @ Salac Berry
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Endure

Double Dance Rockium Z Terrakion by Tyke
Terrakion @ Rockium Z
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish

Trick Room Mimikyu by Tyke
Mimikyu @ Red Card / Ghostium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Trick Room
- Shadow Claw
- Swords Dance / Taunt
- Shadow Sneak

Banded Heatran Lure Victini by Aki Kino
Victini @ Choice Band
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- V-create
- U-turn
- Bolt Strike
- Brick Break

Steel Breaker Porygon-Z by Tyke
Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Download / Adaptability
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Conversion

Babiri Steel Killer Kyurem-Black by stat1c
Kyurem-Black @ Babiri Berry
Ability: Teravolt
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earth Power
- Fusion Bolt

Icium Z Kyurem-Black by Zmeeed
Kyurem-Black @ Icium Z
Ability: Teravolt
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Freeze Shock
- Fusion Bolt
- Iron Head

Z Electric Terrain Xurkitree by Tyke and Declarity
Xurkitree @ Electrium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Electric Terrain
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice] / Energy Ball
- Tail Glow

Custap Berry Replacement Skarmory (Steel) by Tyke
Skarmory @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Taunt
- Brave Bird

Continental Crush Kabutops by Tyke
Kabutops @ Rockium Z
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Waterfall
- Low Kick / Aqua Jet

Assault Vest Celesteela by TheAveng92R
Celesteela @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 192 HP / 252 SpA / 64 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Giga Drain
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower

Continental Crush Minior by Tyke
Minior @ Rockium Z
Ability: Shields Down
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant / Naughty Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Shell Smash
- Substitute / Hidden Power [Fire]

Continental Crush Tapu Bulu by Tyke
Tapu Bulu @ Rockium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Horn Leech / Wood Hammer
- Stone Edge
- Superpower

Shattered Psyche Rotom-Wash by TheOfficialVodoom
Rotom-Wash @ Psychium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 208 HP / 252 SpA / 48 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Dream Eater
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Sub Bulk Up Bewear by Tyke
Bewear @ Leftovers
Ability: Fluffy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Substitute
- Bulk Up
- Hammer Arm
- Earthquake / Return

Balloon Magnezone by stat1c
Magnezone @ Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 252 HP / 172 SpA / 84 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Mirror Coat

Lead Excadrill by Hammy
Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Rock Tomb / Earthquake
- Toxic
- Rapid Spin

Double Dance Diggersby by Moosical
Diggersby @ Life Orb / Normalium Z
Ability: Huge Power
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Frustration
- Agility

Tailwind Charizard Y by Tyke
Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Solarbeam
- Tailwind

Endeavorsby by Jase Duken
Diggersby @ Focus Sash
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return / Earthquake
- Endeavor
- Spikes
- Quick Attack

Ground Lure Jirachi by Jase Duken
Jirachi @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Icy Wind
- Iron Head
- Psychic / Fire punch
- Energy Ball

Steel Breaker Omastar by smub
Steel-Killer Omastar
Omastar @ Air Balloon / Waterium Z
Ability: Weak Armor
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest / Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earth Power
- Shell Smash

Tailwind Mega Aerodactyl by smub
Aerodactyl-Mega @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tailwind
- Stone Edge
- Aerial Ace
- Fire Fang / Earthquake / Aqua Tail

Bulky Offensive Bewear by Tyke
Bewear @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Fluffy
Happiness: 0
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Frustration
- Taunt / Earthquake

SubSalac Hoopa by Garbagery
Hoopa @ Salac Berry
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 30 HP / 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball

CM Refresh Latias by Cloud9 NxtLvl
Latias @ Normalium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 192 HP / 252 Def / 36 SpA / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
-Calm Mind
-Refresh
-Recover
-Stored Power

Electrium Z Latios by Alpha-Harpreet
Latios (M) @ Electrium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Defog

BoltBeam Lead Deoxys-Speed by Ghost Cream
Deoxys-Speed @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Taunt

Grass/Flying Killer Greninja by HNBL
Greninja @ Expert Belt
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Rock Slide
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Taunt CM Keldeo by Haakunite
Keldeo @ Waterium Z
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Taunt
- Calm Mind


Offensive Sets
CM Firium Z Blacephalon
by The Excadrill
Blacephalon @ Firium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Calm Mind
- Taunt

Stealth Rock Kommo-o by Haakunite
Stealth Rock Kommo-o
Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Close Combat
- Clanging Scales
- Flamethrower
- Stealth Rock

Defog Tapu Koko by Haakunite
Tapu Koko @ Magnet
Ability: Electric Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Defog

Speed Boosting Blacephalon by GnralLao
Blacephalon @ Firium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 236 HP / 20 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball

OTR Reuniclus by Wanka
Reuniclus @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick Room
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Thunder

Taunt + Z-Move Kommo-o by Wanka
Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Clanging Scales
- Close Combat
- Flamethrower
- Taunt

Defensive Sets
Trapper Araquanid
by smub
Araquanid @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Bubble / Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Spider Web
- Soak
- Rest
- Toxic
 

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1. Defog Corviknight [Flying] by Decem
Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- U-turn
- Defog
- Roost

2. Choice Scarf Noivern [Flying] by Decem
Noivern @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Draco Meteor
- Switcheroo
- Hurricane

3. Defensive Cloyster [Ice] by Decem
Cloyster @ Leftovers
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Icicle Spear

4. Passho Rhyperior [Rock] by Bitana
Rhyperior @ Passho Berry
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Fire Punch
- Counter

5. Choice Specs Tyranitar [Rock] by Bitana
Tyranitar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

6. Occa Berry Celebi [Grass] by Roxiee
Celebi @ Occa Berry
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Healing Wish / Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Earth Power

7. Mirror Coat Gastrodon [Water] Chaitanya
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Mirror Coat
- Clear Smog
- Recover

8. Mirror Coat Avalugg by Chaitanya
Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Body Press
- Mirror Coat
- Recover

9. Nasty Plot Grimmsnarl [Dark] by Chaitanya
Grimmsnarl (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 148 SpA / 28 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Draining Kiss
- Dark Pulse

10. Rock Tomb Haxorus + Choice Scarf Duraludon by Day Healer
Haxorus @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- First Impression
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
- Rock Tomb

Duraludon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Iron Head
- Brick Break
- Stealth Rock


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Defog Corviknight
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Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- U-turn
- Defog
- Roost

This is a set I use on Flying because it is especially weak to Stealth Rock. Corviknight, is in my opinion, the best Defogger for Flying teams because of its excellent typing and Pressure. Pressure is great for stalling out opposing Stealth Rock and the Steel typing means you don't have to worry about getting skewed by random Toxics by Stealth Rock setters like Piloswine, Tyranitar, Seismitoad that may carry it. It's pretty easy to get momentum with it too with U-turn because of the defensive typing and bulk, you can switch it in on a bunch of stuff like Ferrothorn, Bisharp, Tyranitar, Excadrill and threaten them or use U-turn to bring another teammate in. Body Press just takes care of a ton of Pokemon that Flying teams hate dealing with, which is why I think it's mandatory. Pokemon like Bisharp, Weavile, Excadrill, Cloyster and Tyranitar are all checked pretty well by Body Press, especially considering the Defense investments. I pair this set with Mantine, which is another Defog user which can Defog on offensive Seismitoad and its bulk and typing lets it check things like Charizard, Choice Specs Keldeo, and Dracovish which Corviknight struggles against. I wouldn't say Defog Corviknight is a creative set, but it's underrated on Flying teams for sure.

Choice Scarf Noivern

Noivern @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Draco Meteor
- Switcheroo
- Hurricane

This is another set I use on Flying, but I think it's terrible on Dragon because Choice Scarf Dragapult there is strictly better. Basically with Kyurem-B I think this is one of the best checks to it on the type, being able to outspeed and beat it with Draco Meteor pretty nicely, even after a Dragon Dance. Dragon teams historically just suck against super effective coverage, and this is an instance of where it can be easily taken advantage of. The only thing that outspeeds Choice Scarf Noivern on Dragon is Choice Scarf Dragapult, and Choice Scarf Dragapult means it can't really break through Flying's defensive Pokemon, leaving it prone to take advantage of. Furthermore, Infiltrator means you can ignore screens on both of the types Kyurem-B is on, ignoring things like Alolan Ninetales's Aurora Veil and Dragapult/Duraludon's screens when checking a massive threat in Kyurem-B. Switcheroo's pretty nice against anything Noivern can't touch naturally, and locks setup into itself. I use this set with another rather odd Choice Scarf user in Hawlucha with Encore, making it pretty much impossible for Kyurem-B to get to +2 against Flying because of all the pivoting with U-turn and power that pressures it. Choice Scarf Noivern is also nice in other matchups because of its nice Speed and ability to cripple things with Switcheroo. Definitely a nice set in the metagame right now, and if it gets a free turn against Dragon, something's going to faint.

Defensive Cloyster

Cloyster @ Leftovers
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Icicle Spear

Something I used when I wanted to build a Pressure Kyurem team with Substitute, and from prior experience I thought Pressure could work nicely with Spikes and Toxic Spikes spam. I didn't really have room for Rapid Spin on the team either, so instead of using Froslass and Avalugg/Galarian Mr. Mime I just decided to make Cloyster my spinner, since it could stack Spikes/Toxic Spikes very well too. Cloyster's high defense and Water typing is nice for Rapid Spin because its neutral to Steel, meaning it can switch into things like Choice Scarf Jirachi and Excadrill and get it off. Everyone expects Shell Smash on Cloyster so that can be taken advantage of to get up multiple layers of hazards and spin away your own. The main downside is that Cloyster's Special Defense is horrid, and unlike Avalugg, it doesn't have Sturdy, and unlike Galarian Mr. Mime, it's not fast, but t I think it compresses roles pretty well. I'll look for more replays in the morning, and add them if I can find any more good ones.
 
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Passho Rhyperior

Rhyperior @ Passho Berry
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Fire Punch
- Counter


After losing to good old Scarf Mr. Fish for the 11th time, I decided to switch to this set, which I used on Rock at the very tail end of Gen 7. Considering how Rock has no water inmunity at the moment, Passho Rhyp helps out that weakness by ensuring the team is not swept by Aqua Jets or Fishious Rends while still doing it's main job as a physical check to various threats like Conkeldurr, Hawlucha and most importantly Excadrill and Bisharp. While you could run Smack Down on this set in order to try to annoy Corviknight on Steel, the lack of EV investment into Attack makes it less than ideal in taking it on. This leaves Rock with the unfortunate job of finding a way to check Bulk Up Corviknight with its meager special attackers. As such, presenting...

Choice Specs Tyranitar

Tyranitar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt


Rock's special attacking options fall somewhere between awful and Lunatone. While I did try out Lunatone for a good while and had surprising success with it, it failed to stop Bulk Up Corviknight, a deadly threat for Rock. So I looked to the next best option... Which unfortunately is T-tar.
However, Modest Choice Specs Tyranitar actually reaches a decent special stat of 475, which is higher than Lunatone can attest. It's Flamethrower is strong enough to 2HKO Sp. def Corviknight, so I didn't bother with Fire Blast as Pressure stalling was a big concern. The rest of the moves are used for coverage against other types, Dark Pulse is obviously really good against Ghost, since it doesn't care about being burned by Corsola, Ice Beam catches Ground by surprise and Thunderbolt sends Flying packing.
 
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Berry Lead Celebi + Choice Specs Venusaur (Grass)

(Celebi) @ Occa Berry
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Healing Wish / Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Earth Power
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(Venusaur) (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Chlorophyll
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
- Weather Ball
- Giga Drain
Grass has a problem beating Fire and setting Stealth Rock safety can be very significant in doing a good bit of damage. Playing around with Grass, I've made some small minor changes and changed my Venusaur to Choice Specs. Occa Berry is useful for forcing Celebi to get Stealth Rock to help Venusaur have a better chance at sweeping Fire. I feel like Appletun belongs more on a Non-Sun Grass variant and getting hazards up is very crucial for Sun-abusers like Shiftry and Venusaur. Of course, Specs Venusaur does not OHKO Torkoal but with Choice Specs you can run Earth Power which does OHKO Torkoal. Once Torkoal is out, of course, you will have to sack a Pokemon to get sun back up and make use of Venusaur again. Celebi's Occa Berry along with its Ground and Psychic coverage allows it to be very effective against Poison. It's kind of weird but I feel like this "core" is another option as compared to "You must get Growth up against a Fire mon to win" which can be practically impossible when Pokemon like Incineroar ignores Whimsicott's Prankster and Darmanitan's Sheer Force + Sun + STAB damage on Flare Blitz.
-2 252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Venusaur in Sun: 474-558 (157.4 - 185.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Venusaur Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Torkoal: 362-426 (105.2 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


RestTalk Obstagoon (Normal)

(Obstagoon) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Knock Off
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Weird set, I know right. I have been testing around with Normal and I was not happy with running CurseRest Lax which ONLY runs one Dark ALONG with Obstagoon that does the same. Running Curse Lax is situational in the Fairy Matchup, although its a great special attack absorber, Darkest Lariat is very predictable. So I thought, what if I maximized Obstagoon's SpD and make it a Snorlax 2.0, then give Snorlax coverage moves like Heavy Slam, Earthquake, Outrage, Heat Crash, or Double Edge for coverage. Obstagoon's Defiant Ability helps Obstagoon gain attack from Strength Saps. This ought to be one of the weirdest teams I have created this generation but I feel like Obstagoon RestTalk can be very effective.
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AV Incineroar (Dark)

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Flamethrower
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Brick Break

The metagame's main thing every team needs to worry about unfortunately is Kyurem-Black. Incineroar's Flamethrower is useful so you won't take unneeded damage from Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs and Recoil from Flare Blitz. Flamethrower is also for Avalugg so you won't be completely walled. Brick Break breaks Screens/Veil and Kyurem-Black's sub and also does a good bit of chip every time it is used. U-Turn gives Incineroar a slow pivot into another Pokemon and hits Appletun effectively.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Incineroar: 112-132 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Incineroar Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-Black: 122-144 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
88 SpA Incineroar Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 330-390 (83.7 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

88 SpA Incineroar Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 316-376 (89.7 - 106.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
 

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This thread is barren damn. Was originally going to post a few more but seeing how dead this is I'll add them slowly and hope you guys can find some more neat tech.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Mirror Coat
- Clear Smog
- Recover

This is one of my favorite mons honestly. I haven't had much success with this set on ground but on water it does so much in every game. Mirror coat is fantastic cause it removes annoying grass knot users such has heliolisk or raichu, takes care of some mons that can just draco meteor through your team and things like some aegislash, indeedee, gengar and vileplume.

Obstagoon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Switcheroo
- Parting Shot

Most of playing with normal in my opinion is getting specs indeedee in or trying to set up snorlax or the bear. This set allows you to cripple a pokemon that would prevent you from setting up and also allows you to get them in. Just don't knock them after you trade your scarf lmao. Not sure if there is a better fourth move over Close combat, but if there is I have yet to find it.

Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Body Press
- Mirror Coat
- Recover

Completely standard set outside of mirror coat. Behind veil avaluggs really bulky, allowing it to get off mirror coat with relative ease. Also great in case you need a ko on a special mon and you have sturdy intact. Should've won a blt finals game but alas

Grimmsnarl (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 148 SpA / 28 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Draining Kiss
- Dark Pulse

Was looking for something to help with water and tinkered around with this. Honestly does a good job as you can sub on pex and just set up while flinching. Goes great with a twave user such as hydregion where toxapex is almost the forced switch in on water teams. Evs live a specs keldeo hydro and ko after spike damage. It's natural bulk allows sub to eat a lot of stuff so you can set up, does a lot of work in almost every mu if used well. Also should've won a blt finals game but oh well...


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Rock Tomb Haxorus + Scarf Duraludon


Haxorus @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- First Impression
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
- Rock Tomb

Duraludon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Iron Head
- Brick Break
- Stealth Rock

So the CCAT event showed me the GOAT Haxorus, now that kyu-b is banned Haxorus is the only one that can OHKO mimikyu through disguise. Anyways my team still had problems with focus sash leads with sticky webs, specially ribombee which is fast and very annoying to deal, ohkoing some dragons or paralyzing others. Rock tomb is lit again it, it does damage while lowering speed, and coupled with roseli berry give me the upper hand again ribombee leads without losing a dragon. Roseli berry is a cool surprise again fairy move users like banded zeraoras or gengars, so that too lols.
Scarf Duraludon completes the fairy counter team, is fairly standard except Iron head instead of Flash cannon, which OHKOes gardevoir and have a juicy chance to flinch (Avalugg is not problem tbh, having special attackers like dragapult or Hydreigon in the type). Dmeteor still kills any dragon it is supposed to defeat even without Evs investment. Brick Break is a nice tech again teams with screens, but can be changed to any other move if you feel so.


Bulk Up Cinderace


Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Lum Berry
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Sucker Punch
- Bulk Up
Not my idea, I saw someone posting it on chat, tried it and liked it. Anyways this is pretty lit, bulk up 1 time and start sweeping most types, HJK and Sucker Punch are mandatory for power and priority, for the third move Pyro ball with sun is pretty powerful, anyways I prefer Zen headbutt to cteam fightings, nice flinch chance again toxapex (does 70% more or less) and because im full of other fire attacks in my team.
The boots are obv the prefered item, but lately I have started testing Lum berry and its not bad, I can setup all over Cobalion thunder wave or toxapex toxic and attempt a sweep (obviously u will need more hazard control support from teammates).
 

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Defog Corviknight
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Corviknight @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Body Press
- U-turn
- Defog
- Roost

This is a set I use on Flying because it is especially weak to Stealth Rock. Corviknight, is in my opinion, the best Defogger for Flying teams because of its excellent typing and Pressure. Pressure is great for stalling out opposing Stealth Rock and the Steel typing means you don't have to worry about getting skewed by random Toxics by Stealth Rock setters like Piloswine, Tyranitar, Seismitoad that may carry it. It's pretty easy to get momentum with it too with U-turn because of the defensive typing and bulk, you can switch it in on a bunch of stuff like Ferrothorn, Bisharp, Tyranitar, Excadrill and threaten them or use U-turn to bring another teammate in. Body Press just takes care of a ton of Pokemon that Flying teams hate dealing with, which is why I think it's mandatory. Pokemon like Bisharp, Weavile, Excadrill, Cloyster and Tyranitar are all checked pretty well by Body Press, especially considering the Defense investments. I pair this set with Mantine, which is another Defog user which can Defog on offensive Seismitoad and its bulk and typing lets it check things like Charizard, Choice Specs Keldeo, and Dracovish which Corviknight struggles against. I wouldn't say Defog Corviknight is a creative set, but it's underrated on Flying teams for sure.

Choice Scarf Noivern

Noivern @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- U-turn
- Draco Meteor
- Switcheroo
- Hurricane

This is another set I use on Flying, but I think it's terrible on Dragon because Choice Scarf Dragapult there is strictly better. Basically with Kyurem-B I think this is one of the best checks to it on the type, being able to outspeed and beat it with Draco Meteor pretty nicely, even after a Dragon Dance. Dragon teams historically just suck against super effective coverage, and this is an instance of where it can be easily taken advantage of. The only thing that outspeeds Choice Scarf Noivern on Dragon is Choice Scarf Dragapult, and Choice Scarf Dragapult means it can't really break through Flying's defensive Pokemon, leaving it prone to take advantage of. Furthermore, Infiltrator means you can ignore screens on both of the types Kyurem-B is on, ignoring things like Alolan Ninetales's Aurora Veil and Dragapult/Duraludon's screens when checking a massive threat in Kyurem-B. Switcheroo's pretty nice against anything Noivern can't touch naturally, and locks setup into itself. I use this set with another rather odd Choice Scarf user in Hawlucha with Encore, making it pretty much impossible for Kyurem-B to get to +2 against Flying because of all the pivoting with U-turn and power that pressures it. Choice Scarf Noivern is also nice in other matchups because of its nice Speed and ability to cripple things with Switcheroo. Definitely a nice set in the metagame right now, and if it gets a free turn against Dragon, something's going to faint.

Defensive Cloyster

Cloyster @ Leftovers
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Icicle Spear

Something I used when I wanted to build a Pressure Kyurem team with Substitute, and from prior experience I thought Pressure could work nicely with Spikes and Toxic Spikes spam. I didn't really have room for Rapid Spin on the team either, so instead of using Froslass and Avalugg/Galarian Mr. Mime I just decided to make Cloyster my spinner, since it could stack Spikes/Toxic Spikes very well too. Cloyster's high defense and Water typing is nice for Rapid Spin because its neutral to Steel, meaning it can switch into things like Choice Scarf Jirachi and Excadrill and get it off. Everyone expects Shell Smash on Cloyster so that can be taken advantage of to get up multiple layers of hazards and spin away your own. The main downside is that Cloyster's Special Defense is horrid, and unlike Avalugg, it doesn't have Sturdy, and unlike Galarian Mr. Mime, it's not fast, but t I think it compresses roles pretty well. I'll look for more replays in the morning, and add them if I can find any more good ones.
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Passho Rhyperior

Rhyperior @ Passho Berry
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Fire Punch
- Counter


After losing to good old Scarf Mr. Fish for the 11th time, I decided to switch to this set, which I used on Rock at the very tail end of Gen 7. Considering how Rock has no water inmunity at the moment, Passho Rhyp helps out that weakness by ensuring the team is not swept by Aqua Jets or Fishious Rends while still doing it's main job as a physical check to various threats like Conkeldurr, Hawlucha and most importantly Excadrill and Bisharp. While you could run Smack Down on this set in order to try to annoy Corviknight on Steel, the lack of EV investment into Attack makes it less than ideal in taking it on. This leaves Rock with the unfortunate job of finding a way to check Bulk Up Corviknight with its meager special attackers. As such, presenting...

Choice Specs Tyranitar

Tyranitar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt


Rock's special attacking options fall somewhere between awful and Lunatone. While I did try out Lunatone for a good while and had surprising success with it, it failed to stop Bulk Up Corviknight, a deadly threat for Rock. So I looked to the next best option... Which unfortunately is T-tar.
However, Modest Choice Specs Tyranitar actually reaches a decent special stat of 475, which is higher than Lunatone can attest. It's Flamethrower is strong enough to 2HKO Sp. def Corviknight, so I didn't bother with Fire Blast as Pressure stalling was a big concern. The rest of the moves are used for coverage against other types, Dark Pulse is obviously really good against Ghost, since it doesn't care about being burned by Corsola, Ice Beam catches Ground by surprise and Thunderbolt sends Flying packing.
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Berry Lead Celebi + Choice Specs Venusaur (Grass)

(Celebi) @ Occa Berry
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Healing Wish / Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Earth Power
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(Venusaur) (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Chlorophyll
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Sludge Bomb
- Weather Ball
- Giga Drain
Grass has a problem beating Fire and setting Stealth Rock safety can be very significant in doing a good bit of damage. Playing around with Grass, I've made some small minor changes and changed my Venusaur to Choice Specs. Occa Berry is useful for forcing Celebi to get Stealth Rock to help Venusaur have a better chance at sweeping Fire. I feel like Appletun belongs more on a Non-Sun Grass variant and getting hazards up is very crucial for Sun-abusers like Shiftry and Venusaur. Of course, Specs Venusaur does not OHKO Torkoal but with Choice Specs you can run Earth Power which does OHKO Torkoal. Once Torkoal is out, of course, you will have to sack a Pokemon to get sun back up and make use of Venusaur again. Celebi's Occa Berry along with its Ground and Psychic coverage allows it to be very effective against Poison. It's kind of weird but I feel like this "core" is another option as compared to "You must get Growth up against a Fire mon to win" which can be practically impossible when Pokemon like Incineroar ignores Whimsicott's Prankster and Darmanitan's Sheer Force + Sun + STAB damage on Flare Blitz.
-2 252 Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Venusaur in Sun: 474-558 (157.4 - 185.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Venusaur Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Torkoal: 362-426 (105.2 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


RestTalk Obstagoon (Normal)

(Obstagoon) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Knock Off
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Weird set, I know right. I have been testing around with Normal and I was not happy with running CurseRest Lax which ONLY runs one Dark ALONG with Obstagoon that does the same. Running Curse Lax is situational in the Fairy Matchup, although its a great special attack absorber, Darkest Lariat is very predictable. So I thought, what if I maximized Obstagoon's SpD and make it a Snorlax 2.0, then give Snorlax coverage moves like Heavy Slam, Earthquake, Outrage, Heat Crash, or Double Edge for coverage. Obstagoon's Defiant Ability helps Obstagoon gain attack from Strength Saps. This ought to be one of the weirdest teams I have created this generation but I feel like Obstagoon RestTalk can be very effective.
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AV Incineroar (Dark)

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 168 Def / 88 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Flamethrower
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Brick Break
The metagame's main thing every team needs to worry about unfortunately is Kyurem-Black. Incineroar's Flamethrower is useful so you won't take unneeded damage from Ferrothorn's Iron Barbs and Recoil from Flare Blitz. Flamethrower is also for Avalugg so you won't be completely walled. Brick Break breaks Screens/Veil and Kyurem-Black's sub and also does a good bit of chip every time it is used. U-Turn gives Incineroar a slow pivot into another Pokemon and hits Appletun effectively.
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Incineroar: 112-132 (28.4 - 33.5%) -- 0.1% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Incineroar Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-Black: 122-144 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
88 SpA Incineroar Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 330-390 (83.7 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

88 SpA Incineroar Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 316-376 (89.7 - 106.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Adding the occa berry Celebi set. For the specs venusaur set I feel its too niche and with a sun sweeper like that you want the flexibility to change moves to make the most of sun turns, also the fact that running a specs set locks you into a move which can be taken advantage of. I am up to add your AV incineraor since it can still work on offensive dark builds as a sp.def pivot and where ttar is not utility set but I want you to revise the EVs for it since Kyurem-B is now gone. I am not sold on the rest talk Obstagoon set so if you could show me some replays for it in action then I may change my mind.
This thread is barren damn. Was originally going to post a few more but seeing how dead this is I'll add them slowly and hope you guys can find some more neat tech.

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Mirror Coat
- Clear Smog
- Recover

This is one of my favorite mons honestly. I haven't had much success with this set on ground but on water it does so much in every game. Mirror coat is fantastic cause it removes annoying grass knot users such has heliolisk or raichu, takes care of some mons that can just draco meteor through your team and things like some aegislash, indeedee, gengar and vileplume.

Obstagoon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Switcheroo
- Parting Shot

Most of playing with normal in my opinion is getting specs indeedee in or trying to set up snorlax or the bear. This set allows you to cripple a pokemon that would prevent you from setting up and also allows you to get them in. Just don't knock them after you trade your scarf lmao. Not sure if there is a better fourth move over Close combat, but if there is I have yet to find it.

Avalugg @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Rapid Spin
- Body Press
- Mirror Coat
- Recover

Completely standard set outside of mirror coat. Behind veil avaluggs really bulky, allowing it to get off mirror coat with relative ease. Also great in case you need a ko on a special mon and you have sturdy intact. Should've won a blt finals game but alas

Grimmsnarl (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 148 SpA / 28 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Draining Kiss
- Dark Pulse

Was looking for something to help with water and tinkered around with this. Honestly does a good job as you can sub on pex and just set up while flinching. Goes great with a twave user such as hydregion where toxapex is almost the forced switch in on water teams. Evs live a specs keldeo hydro and ko after spike damage. It's natural bulk allows sub to eat a lot of stuff so you can set up, does a lot of work in almost every mu if used well. Also should've won a blt finals game but oh well...


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Rock Tomb Haxorus + Scarf Duraludon


Haxorus @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- First Impression
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail
- Rock Tomb

Duraludon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Iron Head
- Brick Break
- Stealth Rock

So the CCAT event showed me the GOAT Haxorus, now that kyu-b is banned Haxorus is the only one that can OHKO mimikyu through disguise. Anyways my team still had problems with focus sash leads with sticky webs, specially ribombee which is fast and very annoying to deal, ohkoing some dragons or paralyzing others. Rock tomb is lit again it, it does damage while lowering speed, and coupled with roseli berry give me the upper hand again ribombee leads without losing a dragon. Roseli berry is a cool surprise again fairy move users like banded zeraoras or gengars, so that too lols.
Scarf Duraludon completes the fairy counter team, is fairly standard except Iron head instead of Flash cannon, which OHKOes gardevoir and have a juicy chance to flinch (Avalugg is not problem tbh, having special attackers like dragapult or Hydreigon in the type). Dmeteor still kills any dragon it is supposed to defeat even without Evs investment. Brick Break is a nice tech again teams with screens, but can be changed to any other move if you feel so.


Bulk Up Cinderace


Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Lum Berry
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Sucker Punch
- Bulk Up
Not my idea, I saw someone posting it on chat, tried it and liked it. Anyways this is pretty lit, bulk up 1 time and start sweeping most types, HJK and Sucker Punch are mandatory for power and priority, for the third move Pyro ball with sun is pretty powerful, anyways I prefer Zen headbutt to cteam fightings, nice flinch chance again toxapex (does 70% more or less) and because im full of other fire attacks in my team.
The boots are obv the prefered item, but lately I have started testing Lum berry and its not bad, I can setup all over Cobalion thunder wave or toxapex toxic and attempt a sweep (obviously u will need more hazard control support from teammates).
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Thank you to all those who contributed to this project, I would really like to see more users posting sets here so i can update it weekly especially now that DLC dropped weeks ago.
 
Bulk Up Cinderace


Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots / Lum Berry
Ability: Libero
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Sucker Punch
- Bulk Up
Not my idea, I saw someone posting it on chat, tried it and liked it. Anyways this is pretty lit, bulk up 1 time and start sweeping most types, HJK and Sucker Punch are mandatory for power and priority, for the third move Pyro ball with sun is pretty powerful, anyways I prefer Zen headbutt to cteam fightings, nice flinch chance again toxapex (does 70% more or less) and because im full of other fire attacks in my team.
The boots are obv the prefered item, but lately I have started testing Lum berry and its not bad, I can setup all over Cobalion thunder wave or toxapex toxic and attempt a sweep (obviously u will need more hazard control support from teammates).
This is my build. I think that Pyro Ball is pretty redundant for the same reasons you said: I have a team full of fire types. Lum berry is an interesting idea that I hadn’t considered. When do you feel that setting up on Cobalion is important? HJK is 81.3% to OHKO it and with Jolly you’re faster.

To clarify, it’s only ~70 damage against Toxapex at +1. At neutral it does just over 50 and misses out on a 2HKO due to Black Sludge:
+1 252 Atk Libero Cinderace Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 194-230 (63.8 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery.

Some Pokémon that HJK gets a KO on but P Ball doesn’t: Duraludon, Ushifu (81% chance to OHKO max HP), Terrakion (Zen Headbutt does not), and Kyurem.

I find Cinderace to be especially clutch against Dragon, and more or less single handedly makes it a favorable MU. Cinderace OHKOs Duraludon, Dragapult (with rocks), and Kyurem. At +1, Cinderace OHKOs Kommo-o (lead) and Dragalge. At +1 you live a Fisheous Rend and 2HKO with Sucker punch and while you don’t OHKO, defensive Kommo-O sets are hardcore set-up fodder.

An important note about Sucker Punch is that your type changes if the move is blocked, such as by protect or Psychic Terrain. This means that Cinderace can force choiced psychics out, even under Psychic Terrain. Dark is definitely the best defensive typing on Cinderace. You can switch types to resist a fighting attack and the rest of your team resists Fairy and Bug.
 
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Psych Up Alakazam
Alakazam @ Focus Sash
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock / Stored Power
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Psych Up
Psychic has an enormous problem dealing with Volcarona, considering +1 Quiver Dance can threaten the entire team. Psych Up would be useful for revenge sweeping Special-Attackers, notably Volcarona and copying their setup~
+1 252 SpA Alakazam Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Volcarona: 285-336 (91.6 - 108%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+1 252 SpA Alakazam Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Volcarona in Psychic Terrain: 370-436 (118.9 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Alakazam Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 112 Def Volcarona in Psychic Terrain: 367-433 (98.3 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Alakazam Stored Power (140 BP) vs. +2 0 HP / 4 SpD Volcarona in Psychic Terrain: 337-397 (108.3 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 

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