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[Zoap]

Should I keep this or keep going for Timid?

Gamestop Celebi
Nature: Naive (+Spe -SpD)
HP Fire: 70

The IV's are near perfect(as close as HP Fire gives), I'm just wondering if the +Spe is worth it even though it lowers my SpD.

I'm hitting my delay pretty well tonight but I'm not sure I like my odds lol.

 

[dragonboy52]

Should I keep this or keep going for Timid?

Gamestop Celebi
Nature: Naive (+Spe -SpD)
HP Fire: 70

The IV's are near perfect(as close as HP Fire gives), I'm just wondering if the +Spe is worth it even though it lowers my SpD.


I'm hitting my delay pretty well tonight but I'm not sure I like my odds lol.

Naive is not bad, IMO.
Its a good nature for celebii.

 

[Aardvark]

Earlier I got 3 naughty natures in a row on a wondercard, and then later on when my ds clock was set to 27/8/11 ~11:38:53 and accepted the wondercard I got a timid Pokemon from the wondercard. Given that's the nature I want, I then tried to replicate this, by doing my Elm responses and then exiting out of that around ~11:38:48 and accepting the wondercard as quickly as possible. According to my external clock, the page where it says he gave me a Mew had appeared at the 53 second point. This suggests to me that the nature of a wondercard Pokemon is contingent upon the time you receive it, and if you accept it at the exact same time each time you would get the same result. I just thought I'd contribute that, because it might be interesting if it hasn't already been discovered.

 

[His Eminence Lord Poppington II]

Earlier I got 3 naughty natures in a row on a wondercard, and then later on when my ds clock was set to 27/8/11 ~11:38:53 and accepted the wondercard I got a timid Pokemon from the wondercard. Given that's the nature I want, I then tried to replicate this, by doing my Elm responses and then exiting out of that around ~11:38:48 and accepting the wondercard as quickly as possible. According to my external clock, the page where it says he gave me a Mew had appeared at the 53 second point. This suggests to me that the nature of a wondercard Pokemon is contingent upon the time you receive it, and if you accept it at the exact same time each time you would get the same result. I just thought I'd contribute that, because it might be interesting if it hasn't already been discovered.

That's pretty damn interesting, perhaps post into RNG research. It's generally come to an understanding that wondercard IVs are random, did you manage to get the timid mew with desired IVs then?

 

[riddlinkid]

Earlier I got 3 naughty natures in a row on a wondercard, and then later on when my ds clock was set to 27/8/11 ~11:38:53 and accepted the wondercard I got a timid Pokemon from the wondercard. Given that's the nature I want, I then tried to replicate this, by doing my Elm responses and then exiting out of that around ~11:38:48 and accepting the wondercard as quickly as possible. According to my external clock, the page where it says he gave me a Mew had appeared at the 53 second point. This suggests to me that the nature of a wondercard Pokemon is contingent upon the time you receive it, and if you accept it at the exact same time each time you would get the same result. I just thought I'd contribute that, because it might be interesting if it hasn't already been discovered.

Kaphotics posted about how the nature is determined at some point. I'm not sure if it was in this thread, or the research thread. I believe he said the nature was based on an in-game delay, and was generated when the convo with the delivery man was exited.

 

[PokeTroopa]

The Elm call app is telling me that Im getting certain delays even though Im not getting their corresponding elm calls. Did I do something wrong?

 

[Aardvark]

That's pretty damn interesting, perhaps post into RNG research. It's generally come to an understanding that wondercard IVs are random, did you manage to get the timid mew with desired IVs then?

Kaphotics posted about how the nature is determined at some point. I'm not sure if it was in this thread, or the research thread. I believe he said the nature was based on an in-game delay, and was generated when the convo with the delivery man was exited.

Sorry I thought I said that. Yes I got a Timid Mew with the correct IVs through attempting to replicate obtaining a Timid Mew on a wondercard minutes before.

Of course, it could be coincidental I got 3 naughty natures in a row at one point, and successfully replicated a Timid nature at another point, but it could not be as well. As an additional piece of information, I paused for a second after the delivery man screen where he mentions the word Mew as I checked my clock and was astonished It was exactly 11:38:53. That would make the end of his speech around 11:38:54-55, if that's helpful for future research. Aside from the aforementioned page, I tried to get through what he said pretty quickly.

 

[Toast++]

The Elm call app is telling me that Im getting certain delays even though Im not getting their corresponding elm calls. Did I do something wrong?

No. The Elm calls have to be in the same order but they don't have to start at number 1. That's what's happening for you.

 

[Boss TJW]

Hey, can someone explain the poketimer thing to me. I'm trying to get shiny egg then iv

 

[Toast++]

Hey, can someone explain the poketimer thing to me. I'm trying to get shiny egg then iv

Uhh.. poketimer?
I'm going to assume you mean pikatimer. If that's the case, read about it on the first page. "Explain it to me" is far too broad of a question.

 

[Skytt]

I'm looking for some help in trying to RNG a wondercard Mew in HGSS. I've just returned to Pokemon, the games and also hopefully competetively, so i'm a bit rusty.

So much infact that i've forgotten nearly everything about RNG abuse, seeing as my last RNG attempt was the same wondercard Mew over a year ago. I'm pretty sure I can get up to speed again with RNG once I get into it but for that I have a few questions to ask first:

1. Is wondercard RNG on HGSS method K or 1? (It doesn't make it that clear in the thread and I tried searching)

2. Is there any method of advancing frames consistantly WITHOUT using the Pokegear phone? My SS is Japanese, so I had to previously use the radio to advance frames on other RNG'd Pokemon and it worked okay, but i've now learnt it isn't very consistant(?).

3. Does the frame start on 1 or 0?

4. If I RNG'd with both Raikou and Entei roaming, would I always consistantly get +7 frames advanced?

I would be very grateful if someone could answer these for me. Thanks in advance. :)

 

[riddlinkid]

I'm looking for some help in trying to RNG a wondercard Mew in HGSS. I've just returned to Pokemon, the games and also hopefully competetively, so i'm a bit rusty.

So much infact that i've forgotten nearly everything about RNG abuse, seeing as my last RNG attempt was the same wondercard Mew over a year ago. I'm pretty sure I can get up to speed again with RNG once I get into it but for that I have a few questions to ask first:

1. Is wondercard RNG on HGSS method K or 1? (It doesn't make it that clear in the thread and I tried searching)

2. Is there any method of advancing frames consistantly WITHOUT using the Pokegear phone? My SS is Japanese, so I had to previously use the radio to advance frames on other RNG'd Pokemon and it worked okay, but i've now learnt it isn't very consistant(?).

3. Does the frame start on 1 or 0?

4. If I RNG'd with both Raikou and Entei roaming, would I always consistantly get +7 frames advanced?

I would be very grateful if someone could answer these for me. Thanks in advance. :)

1. You should find a method 1 seed and then generate in RNG Reporter using the Wondercard IVs option.

2. The only other consistent option to advance frames is to take 128 steps, which will advance the frame equal to the number of pokemon in your party.

3. If you go into the game (assuming you have no roamers out) and directly pick up your gift, the pokemon you receive will be on frame 1.

4. Not sure what you mean here. Each roamer will advance your initial starting frame by one. For example, if you have both Entei and Raikou roaming, and you go into the game and directly pick up your pokemon, it will have the spread for frame 3.

 

[Toast++]

I'm looking for some help in trying to RNG a wondercard Mew in HGSS. I've just returned to Pokemon, the games and also hopefully competetively, so i'm a bit rusty.

So much infact that i've forgotten nearly everything about RNG abuse, seeing as my last RNG attempt was the same wondercard Mew over a year ago. I'm pretty sure I can get up to speed again with RNG once I get into it but for that I have a few questions to ask first:

1. Is wondercard RNG on HGSS method K or 1? (It doesn't make it that clear in the thread and I tried searching)
It's (sort of) method 1. Wondercards are just two frames higher.

2. Is there any method of advancing frames consistantly WITHOUT using the Pokegear phone? My SS is Japanese, so I had to previously use the radio to advance frames on other RNG'd Pokemon and it worked okay, but i've now learnt it isn't very consistant(?).
Walking.. yeah. You can usually find low frame numbers if you look. There's a flawless one on frame 26 for sure.

3. Does the frame start on 1 or 0?
Assume that you're on frame 1 to start.

4. If I RNG'd with both Raikou and Entei roaming, would I always consistantly get +7 frames advanced?
Sorry, this one I don't know. I've never RNG'd with active roamers.

I would be very grateful if someone could answer these for me. Thanks in advance. :)
Ninja'd =(

 

[Skytt]

Thanks, both of you.

This Mew has been there since the wondercard was released in November 09, hopefully now I can finally get it.

Also, I just found my 31/14/31/31/31/31 Bold/Timid shiny seed on an old document i've been looking for. Looks like i'm back to RNG abusing for the next few weeks! :D

 

[PokeTroopa]

How much is known about RNG in black and white?

 

[Toast++]

How much is known about RNG in black and white?

Enough. There's plenty documented in the research thread and instructions in the 5th gen help thread.

 

[Katten]

Alright, it's been a long time since I've done any RNGing and I've forgotten many of the tricks (I seem to recall you can change odd/even delay by changing the year on the DS, but that's pretty much it). The release of Black and White prompted my return.

Anyway, here's my problem: I can hit the correct delay, thanks to the "Delay Hit" feature on the EonTimer, but I keep hitting 1 second early. Increasing the "Target Second" by one makes me either hit the same second and some completely different delay or hit several seconds too early/late and some completely outlandish delay. That or I simply can't find my seconds/delay on the adjacent finder. Changing the "Calibrated Second" messes it up in even worse.

Here's all the stuff on the RNG reporter and whatnot (trying to breed a shiny perfect Riolu): http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9069/rngu.jpg

I've tried 2 different seeds, seconds 50 and 14, both with the shiny egg on frame 1 if that matters. I can hit the correct delay on both (I know the delay here is odd when the target is even) but it's 1 second early. Using roamers to verify seed.

EDIT: Ok, now I'm just hitting ridiculously high delays and completely the wrong second: http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3838/rng.jpg
I have no clue what's going on.

I found out you can change the second by changing the minute on the DS clock (?) by checking some of the older posts, but now I'm not hitting anywhere near the correct second/delay so I can't even test it.

 

[Toast++]

Anyway, here's my problem: I can hit the correct delay, thanks to the "Delay Hit" feature on the EonTimer, but I keep hitting 1 second early. Increasing the "Target Second" by one makes me either hit the same second and some completely different delay or hit several seconds too early/late and some completely outlandish delay. That or I simply can't find my seconds/delay on the adjacent finder. Changing the "Calibrated Second" messes it up in even worse.

Here's all the stuff on the RNG reporter and whatnot (trying to breed a shiny perfect Riolu): http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9069/rngu.jpg

etc..

Ok.. let me start out by saying I find your calibrated delay really odd. I'd expect about 80 higher than that for HGSS.

Anyway, it looks to me like you're forgetting the "minutes before" part. If you didn't do that, you'd be hitting a minute later than you want which looks identical to a second earlier, if I remember correctly.

Also, for 4th gen don't use +/- 9 seconds. The reason that you're getting the results you are is that RNG reporter finds only the first time that what you search for occurs. There are a total of 19683 possible combinations of 9 responses. You're searching a range of 37962. With Eon, you usually don't even need +/- 1. I'd advise you to put those to 0, the delay range to +/-100 and reset your calibrated delay to about 500. Make sure you remember the minutes before part as well.

 

[Katten]

I didn't mess up with the minutes before, I know that much. Especially considering it's not needed if you're looking for a time of around 50 seconds. Anyway, I'll try lessening my adjacent search and then messing with the minutes if I keep hitting a second early. I had it that high since it wasn't finding anything sometimes. I'll report the results.

EDIT: Uhh, yeah... on a newfound common sense suspicion I decided to check a second later after another couple times where I managed to hit a second early... And of course the second later had the same exact roamer locations on the same delay. Derp moment from me. Think this might be worth noting on the first post. I doubt I'm the only one who's made this mistake... A helluva lot of frustration for something so silly. >_>

Guess I'll be putting 0 in the seconds boxes in the future as you advised.

By the way, even if it's low, my calibrated delay is correct. If I have it near the 500 mark the delays I hit are off by about 80. Whaddya know. I hit the correct time and delay pretty much instantly now. As I apparently have unknowingly done several times already. >_>

 

[Toast++]

I didn't mess up with the minutes before, I know that much. Especially considering it's not needed if you're looking for a time of around 50 seconds. Anyway, I'll try lessening my adjacent search and then messing with the minutes if I keep hitting a second early. I had it that high since it wasn't finding anything sometimes. I'll report the results.

In the first one where you had the seconds off, you were aiming for 14 seconds. That's why I brought it up.

Edit: Interesting. I VM'd you with a couple of questions.

 

[Katten]

In the first one where you had the seconds off, you were aiming for 14 seconds. That's why I brought it up.

Yeah, I understood that. Anyway, hatched my Riolu egg and it's shiny. Now to slap some IV perfection on that and then I'm off to make an adamant one.

Thanks for the help. Would've probably sat here scratching my head for days before figuring out the problem on my own. I'm thinking of making an RNG "quick start" guide on GameFAQs (part of the sell will be quick ways of getting your SID and Pokerus with a combination of HyperGTS and Pokesav and calibrating your delay with EonTimer rather than spending a ton of time catching high-level pokemon) and if I do I'll definitely mention this bit.

EDIT: VM'd you back.

 

[Vladimir]

Is there a bug in RNG reporter version 9? Whenever i click generate more times in Method J i get a message "the seed is invalid, please verify that you have entered it correctly and try again". This never happened to me in the previous versions.

 

[Winters Zombie]

Is there a bug in RNG reporter version 9? Whenever i click generate more times in Method J i get a message "the seed is invalid, please verify that you have entered it correctly and try again". This never happened to me in the previous versions.

Gotta click the HGSS/DPPt button. Not the C-Gear one.

 

[Cefiro]

Using Eon Timer, I timed pressing A on the continue screen to when the second timer hit 0. I got 690 delay instead of the target 630. Yet when I button mash and ignore the second countdown, I get close to 630. Is this supposed to happen...?

 

[religiousjedi]

Using Eon Timer, I timed pressing A on the continue screen to when the second timer hit 0. I got 690 delay instead of the target 630. Yet when I button mash and ignore the second countdown, I get close to 630. Is this supposed to happen...?

I'm assuming this is for fourth generation, correct? It might be that your calibrated second is off. Try inputting the delay you got to adjust the timer.