Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

i dont get it. its too difficult. im 20 and i dont get it...lol can you actually guide me through this??? im not a wiz with wierd stuff like this. i can tell you the info and could you kinda do it for me??? i know this is a really stupid question but i dont understand it that much. i will give you a shiny totodile that i SR'd. PLZ help.

my ID is 50472. my SID is 39178. plz HELP
 
ok calm down and stop double posting before you get an infraction, and you must understand something from the article and we can help you with what you still don't understand.
 
ok calm down and stop double posting before you get an infraction, and you must understand something from the article and we can help you with what you still don't understand.
ok........i dont get the seeds......idont get the frame and how to advance it in HG/SS...um its been 6 and a half days of SRing and its boring. idont get the program. it would be nice if someone would stay with me on a page and get me through step by step.
 
Okay, you have your ID and SID, that's good.

Step 1.

Save in Lugia's room. Open up RNG reporter. Click "DPPt Time Finder." Go to the "DPPt Capture" tab.

Step 2.

Type in the your ID and SID in the required boxes. Click the "Shiny Only" checkbox. Under Method, scroll down to Method K. Put in the year you want to catch Lugia (2010). For Frames, put something acceptable, let's say 100. For Delay, put a minimum of about 700, a maximum of 999; we're going to use emloop to get a high delay. If you have a Synchronise Pokémon leading your party put in its Nature. Since you only want to find shininess, click Generate and leave the IVs, Nature and Ability boxes on blank/Any.

Let it geneate some results, then cancel the search, we don't need to look at all of them.

Step 3.

Pick one of the results it comes up with. Let's say, seed 01000376. This should be shiny with the given ID/SID. Right click it and select "Generate Times."

Step 4.

Pick one of the times that comes up. We'll go with the 28th of the 5th, 2010, at 00:58:59, delay 876.

Step 5.

Open up emloop: http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm
You'll see a window like this:
emloop.jpg


In the red box, type your delay. In our example, that's 876. Click the button immediately under that, and a seconds value appears. Our seconds were 59; so do 59 minus the value that appeared, 14.6, to get 44.4, and put this in the green box.

Step 6.

Turn your DS on, and go to adjust the time and date. Set the date to 28/5/2010, and the time to 00:58. Press A to set the time at exactly the same time as pressing spacebar on the emloop programme. emloop will begin counting down. Turn your DS off and on again and quickly get into Pokémon Soul Silver. Hold down L, Start and Select. As soon as emloop reaches 0, press R to reset the game. emloop begins another countdown. Press A to skip the opening cutscenes, and then press A to Continue the game (at the continue/new game/connect to Pokéwalker screen) as soon as emloop reaches 0 for the second time.

Step 7.

This won't give the right delay as we need to calibrate for the time spend resetting. Catch Lugia and work out its IVs. Open up RNG Reporter. Click "DPPt Seed Finder" and go to the "Find Initial Seed by IVs" tab. Enter Lugia's IVs, and the time and date we're using (2010 5 28 00:58). You might need to adjust the minutes by one (2010 5 28 00: 59) to get a result. Check the delay of the resulting seed.

Step 8.

We need to adjust the delay in emloop. We're aiming for a delay of 876. The actual delay was whatever RNG Reporter shows. Subtract one from the other to get the difference. Our delay put into emloop needs to be this much bigger. Add this difference to 876 and put the new number into emloop, then repeat step 5 to 7 with the new, larger delay number.

Step 9.

emloop is now calibrated, and if we follow it exactly we should land on our seed. Note that we need an even delay. If you notice that you always get an odd delay, you need to correct for this by adding one to the year; so, use 2011 instead of 2010.

Step 10.

Now when we do the process we should end up in the game on the right seed. We need to check if the seed was right; we can do this with romstars translated programme, using the roamers method. Alternatively, since we're on a pretty low frame, we might not need to bother.

Step 11.

Now we work out the frame we want, and what we're on. With the seed I'm using in the example, we want to get frame 11. Depending on how many of the roamers are in your game our starting frame will vary. If two are out, I think we'll start on frame 3 to get Lugia (I might be mistaken here...). In that case, we'd need 8 advances, so we'd walk 256 steps with four Pokémon in our party, then catch Lugia. If the Lugia isn't shiny, work out its IVs and see what seed and frame it is on, then adjust accordingly; you might need to take a few steps outside the cave if you have the wrong number of party Pokémon instead...

To work out what frame our Lugia is, use step 7 to find the seed we're on, then copy this seed to the main window of RNG Reporter. Select Method K in the Method drop down, input your SID and ID where required, and click generate. Look on the list for Lugia's IVs.
 
oke first off romsstar seed verifier works flawlessly *yet another confirmation* one thing i needed to know is. my target frame was 1183. i subtracted one because raikou's frame is 1. i called elm 117 times and divided the remaining 1065 by 5 and took that many steps times 128. i was one frame under. so is this because i shouldnt subtract the one due to raikou or because the calling was off? (i checked it through romsstars seed verifier so it shouldnt have been.) anyone got a thought??

question again is: do you count raikou's 1 frame when advancing the frame? the methode 1 frame i need to hit is 1183. so should i subtract 1 from raikou? or shouldnt i for RNGing Raikou himself? I have no roamers out!

epic question bumping manouvre. seriously i need a fast answer here guys or else i cant continue on here.
 
epic question bumping manouvre. seriously i need a fast answer here guys or else i cant continue on here.

Yes, you just subtract it by 1. I just RNGd a shiny Raikou last night via method 1.

My target frame was 267. So i had to make 266 frame advancements
 
epic question bumping manouvre. seriously i need a fast answer here guys or else i cant continue on here.

So you ended up on frame 1182, after doing things that should have advanced the RNG 1182 times? I think that means you must have only advanced the RNG 1181 times, so you were doing the right thing but lost count... I think so, anyway, but I'm not 100% sure.
 
In HGSS: I plan on getting Giratina but I want to know what the monster frame is for the Sinnoh Dragons and if anything in the cutscene before the battle advances the frames. Or is it inconsistent like a lot of things in this game?
 
Okay, you have your ID and SID, that's good.

Step 1.

Save in Lugia's room. Open up RNG reporter. Click "DPPt Time Finder." Go to the "DPPt Capture" tab.

Step 2.

Type in the your ID and SID in the required boxes. Click the "Shiny Only" checkbox. Under Method, scroll down to Method K. Put in the year you want to catch Lugia (2010). For Frames, put something acceptable, let's say 100. For Delay, put a minimum of about 700, a maximum of 999; we're going to use emloop to get a high delay. If you have a Synchronise Pokémon leading your party put in its Nature. Since you only want to find shininess, click Generate and leave the IVs, Nature and Ability boxes on blank/Any.

Let it geneate some results, then cancel the search, we don't need to look at all of them.

Step 3.

Pick one of the results it comes up with. Let's say, seed 01000376. This should be shiny with the given ID/SID. Right click it and select "Generate Times."

Step 4.

Pick one of the times that comes up. We'll go with the 28th of the 5th, 2010, at 00:58:59, delay 876.

Step 5.

Open up emloop: http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm
You'll see a window like this:
emloop.jpg


In the red box, type your delay. In our example, that's 876. Click the button immediately under that, and a seconds value appears. Our seconds were 59; so do 59 minus the value that appeared, 14.6, to get 44.4, and put this in the green box.

Step 6.

Turn your DS on, and go to adjust the time and date. Set the date to 28/5/2010, and the time to 00:58. Press A to set the time at exactly the same time as pressing spacebar on the emloop programme. emloop will begin counting down. Turn your DS off and on again and quickly get into Pokémon Soul Silver. Hold down L, Start and Select. As soon as emloop reaches 0, press R to reset the game. emloop begins another countdown. Press A to skip the opening cutscenes, and then press A to Continue the game (at the continue/new game/connect to Pokéwalker screen) as soon as emloop reaches 0 for the second time.

Step 7.

This won't give the right delay as we need to calibrate for the time spend resetting. Catch Lugia and work out its IVs. Open up RNG Reporter. Click "DPPt Seed Finder" and go to the "Find Initial Seed by IVs" tab. Enter Lugia's IVs, and the time and date we're using (2010 5 28 00:58). You might need to adjust the minutes by one (2010 5 28 00: 59) to get a result. Check the delay of the resulting seed.

Step 8.

We need to adjust the delay in emloop. We're aiming for a delay of 876. The actual delay was whatever RNG Reporter shows. Subtract one from the other to get the difference. Our delay put into emloop needs to be this much bigger. Add this difference to 876 and put the new number into emloop, then repeat step 5 to 7 with the new, larger delay number.

Step 9.

emloop is now calibrated, and if we follow it exactly we should land on our seed. Note that we need an even delay. If you notice that you always get an odd delay, you need to correct for this by adding one to the year; so, use 2011 instead of 2010.

Step 10.

Now when we do the process we should end up in the game on the right seed. We need to check if the seed was right; we can do this with romstars translated programme, using the roamers method. Alternatively, since we're on a pretty low frame, we might not need to bother.

Step 11.

Now we work out the frame we want, and what we're on. With the seed I'm using in the example, we want to get frame 11. Depending on how many of the roamers are in your game our starting frame will vary. If two are out, I think we'll start on frame 3 to get Lugia (I might be mistaken here...). In that case, we'd need 8 advances, so we'd walk 256 steps with four Pokémon in our party, then catch Lugia. If the Lugia isn't shiny, work out its IVs and see what seed and frame it is on, then adjust accordingly; you might need to take a few steps outside the cave if you have the wrong number of party Pokémon instead...

To work out what frame our Lugia is, use step 7 to find the seed we're on, then copy this seed to the main window of RNG Reporter. Select Method K in the Method drop down, input your SID and ID where required, and click generate. Look on the list for Lugia's IVs.
but when i am in the time finder, i put in the lugia stats but there is only 2 slots for #s. HELP
 
That gives Lugia - #249 (Hasty): 25 / 20 - 22 / 3 - 4 / 20 - 22 / 6 - 7 / 3 - 4

to get the exact IVs, you'll need to give it some rare candies, then report its stats at every level, up to about 50.
 
this is so hard...

i dont get the IV thing at all. and im using your example b/c i found one that matched your example

ok. lemme go level it up. LV 46 165 97 113 97 149 117....LV 47 168 99 116 99 152 119 LV 48 171 101 117 101 155 123..... LV 49 175 103 120 103 158 125.....LV 50 178 105 123 105 162 127...kk there you go. PLZ CALCULATE THEM nature is hasty. loves to eat

and when it says repeat steps 5-7, i dont know what time to use. I AM NOT on that step yet, i just want to be aware of what to do.
 
Of course, you might not need the IVs; if you use the "Find Initial Seed by Stats" tab you might get a result anyway. But plugging that info into metalkid's Iv calculator:

Lugia - #249 (Hasty): 25 / 20 - 21 / 4 / 20 - 21 / 6 / 3

The attack and special attack still aren't certain, but it's close enough that you can simply try each possibility until one works. Test out
25/20/4/20/6/3, then 25/21/4/20/6/3 then 25/21/4/21/6/3 then 25/21/4/21/6/3 and see which one works.
 
Alrighty, more questions about the 128 step counter frame advancement!

1) Walking into the Pokemon Center and moving from room to room inside a building don't count as steps, right?

2) Are "forced" steps applied towards the counter? For example, the steps the game forces you to take just after entering a room with a E4 member.

I've been assuming the above don't add to the counter, but I've overshot my target frame by the # of Pokemon in my party a few times. Not consistently enough for me to say my assumptions are wrong, but by my count, the only way for me to overshoot by that much is if the counter started with 1 step. Wondering if anyone can provide some insight in this matter. Thanks.
 
Assuming you're using the same time I did in my example, that comes out with a seconds of 29 and a delay of 2541, yes? That seems a bizarre number for the seconds, so something must have gone wrong... Unless you're using a different time and date.
 
i dont get how to do steps after the IV check. 5-7. it is kinda hard to do. please tell me or give me a little walkthrough on what i should do. i used 00:58 instead of the minute 59.i hope i didnt do anything wrong.
 
Anyone know of a flawless Bold HP Electric Method K spread with a reasonably low frame? I think someone had a 31/31/31/30/31/31 Bold Suicune on the DMP thread, which apparently appears on frame 4, but according to PokéRNG that spread's on something like 2500, and another spread of 31/7/31/30/31/31 is on frame just over 500...

So, anyone know of a seed with a low-frame flawless spread?
 
i dont get how to do steps after the IV check. 5-7. it is kinda hard to do. please tell me or give me a little walkthrough on what i should do. i used 00:58 instead of the minute 59.i hope i didnt do anything wrong.

Okay, I'll assume you're using the time from my example. Open up emloop in a different window. http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm

In the top left box, type 876. Click the grey box with two black arrows immediately under it and 14.6 should appear. Now type 44.4 in the box jsut to the right and below of where 14.6 appeared.

Now, if you press space emloop should count down from 44.4 to 0, then immediately count down from 14.6 to 0, yes?

Turn your DS on, and go to adjust the time and date. First, set the date to the 28th of the 5th 2010.

Now set the time to 00:58. Press A to set the time at exactly the same time as you press spacebar on the emloop programme to begin the countdown.

Turn your DS off, turn your DS on and enter Soul Silver. Get into the opening cutscene and wait for emloop to count down.

As soon as emloop reaches 0, press R, L, Start and Select at the same time. It helps to already have three pressed down and just press the last one. This will soft reset your DS.

Now quickly press A until you get to the continue screen. Wait until emloop reaches o, then press A immediately when it does.

Now catch Lugia straight away and check its IVs as you just did.
 
Anyone know of a flawless Bold HP Electric Method K spread with a reasonably low frame? I think someone had a 31/31/31/30/31/31 Bold Suicune on the DMP thread, which apparently appears on frame 4, but according to PokéRNG that spread's on something like 2500, and another spread of 31/7/31/30/31/31 is on frame just over 500...

So, anyone know of a seed with a low-frame flawless spread?

That's because you're limiting yourself by looking at seeds you can hit just by mashing A at the start of the game, I assume. We are going to be rewriting the guides, phasing out this outdated and imprecise method in favor of using a timer like emloop to hit high delays.

You'll notice that if you plug that spread (31\31\31\30\31\31, Bold) into RNG Reporter's Seed Finder, and check "Open Search" and "Show Offset", you will see that spread shows up on frame 5 on seed C8080a94. That's the Method 1 equivalent. When you select that seed, and show a Method K list with a Bold synchronizer, you'll see it lands on frame 4. C8080a94 is the frame 4 seed they were talking about, and has a delay of 2698 in 2010.
 
Okay, I'll assume you're using the time from my example. Open up emloop in a different window. http://pokem.client.jp/emloop.htm

In the top left box, type 876. Click the grey box with two black arrows immediately under it and 14.6 should appear. Now type 44.4 in the box jsut to the right and below of where 14.6 appeared.

Now, if you press space emloop should count down from 44.4 to 0, then immediately count down from 14.6 to 0, yes?

Turn your DS on, and go to adjust the time and date. First, set the date to the 28th of the 5th 2010.

Now set the time to 00:58. Press A to set the time at exactly the same time as you press spacebar on the emloop programme to begin the countdown.

Turn your DS off, turn your DS on and enter Soul Silver. Get into the opening cutscene and wait for emloop to count down.

As soon as emloop reaches 0, press R, L, Start and Select at the same time. It helps to already have three pressed down and just press the last one. This will soft reset your DS.

Now quickly press A until you get to the continue screen. Wait until emloop reaches o, then press A immediately when it does.

Now catch Lugia straight away and check its IVs as you just did.
im catching him now.do i have to have 5 pokes in my party? i have 6 in it already. his IVs are docile, good perseverance, 152,91,135,94,151,108
 
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