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[Showsni]

Okay, first, this is all for SoulSilver version...

I have a friend who wants her starter to be shiny, right out of Elm's lab.

We got her Secret ID by using the ID finder on Pandora's Boxas she started her New Game.

Using RNG Reporter, we've managed to find the date, time and delay value that'll generate a shiny in Frame 1. (That'll be a shiny Chikorita if memory serves.)

Without Lv50 pokemon or the pokegear to calibrate, I'm not sure how to tell her to proceed in hitting that target time and delay. All the guides were written for D/P rather than HGSS, so I'm not sure if delay determination has changed since then.

I'll use a hypothetical target time of, say, 12:34:56, and a hypothetical delay of... 7890. (That delay comes out to a little over two minutes.)
What should she set her DS's clock to, when should she soft-reset, and at which screen should she press A when the clock strikes 12:34:56?

On D/P, it was the main menu screen. I've heard rumors that in HG/SS it's now the title screen... showing Lugia swimming along.

Can I get some help, please?

Ot's best to use one of the timers designed for this purpose; for example, emloop. (There's a link and guide ont he first page of the thread). Entering the delay into emloop will automatically convert it to a time. Then you input some amount of time into the second box to make up your seconds. Set your clock as you press space, and the first timer (from the second box) will count down. Get into the game, then soft reset jsut as this timer reaches zero.

Pressing A is on the main menu screen as before; do this once emloop finishes the second countdown.

Emloop needs some calibration, which is (practically) impossible at this early stage; so, add about 310 to the delay in emloop. (Well, that's the value that works for me).

You might find you're only hitting either even or odd delays (though you won't be able to tell, of course). To fix this, scroll to the lower screen at the "Continue" menu and then back up before pressing A. This adds 1 to your delay.

 

[Gigafreak]

Ot's best to use one of the timers designed for this purpose; for example, emloop. (There's a link and guide ont he first page of the thread). Entering the delay into emloop will automatically convert it to a time. Then you input some amount of time into the second box to make up your seconds. Set your clock as you press space, and the first timer (from the second box) will count down. Get into the game, then soft reset jsut as this timer reaches zero.

Pressing A is on the main menu screen as before; do this once emloop finishes the second countdown.

Emloop needs some calibration, which is (practically) impossible at this early stage; so, add about 310 to the delay in emloop. (Well, that's the value that works for me).

You might find you're only hitting either even or odd delays (though you won't be able to tell, of course). To fix this, scroll to the lower screen at the "Continue" menu and then back up before pressing A. This adds 1 to your delay.

It's worth a shot, I suppose. The language barrier will make this difficult... (doubly difficult since my friend's native language is German.)

Thanks for the help.

 

[Nexus]

That guide (and probably emloop itself as well) was written for D/P. Are you certain that HGSS determines delay at the main menu (Continue) screen?

yes that has not changed its the same I don't know where you found that rumor but it is INCORRECT

 

[Gigafreak]

yes that has not changed its the same I don't know where you found that rumor but it is INCORRECT

It's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone watched the seed data at the title screen and noticed it stopped moving when he hit A.

Hmm.

 

[Nexus]

It's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone watched the seed data at the title screen and noticed it stopped moving when he hit A.

Hmm.

if you find it then it will be considered but until then the data kept increasing until your pressed A at the continue screen not the title screen with lugia/ho-oh

 

[Showsni]

On my RNG Reporter, whenever I put a desired nature, 0 Speed IVs, or both it won't find any results...ever....

Is there any reason? Or do I have to change the date or something?


And I have one (hopefully) last question:
How can you tell what frame you start on? Do you just start on 0 after you test the Magikarp Coin Flip? I am RNG Reporting on my Platinum......

What method are you using to search for seeds?

There are some spreadsheets with Trick Room spreads, I think; if not, you could try asking if anyone knows some good seeds for the natures you want.

You start on frame 1 of the RNG. (And the IRNG, though after ten coin flips you'll be on 11.) So, if you immediately catch a Pokémon, it'll be the frame 1 one you get, assuming you haven't made any advances.

It's buried in this thread somewhere. Someone watched the seed data at the title screen and noticed it stopped moving when he hit A.

Hmm.

Yeah, I think I read that post; was it about getting the ID/SID? In any case, it's definitely set when you press A at the continue screen (and my shiny Latias agrees!).

 

[Airfoil]

Method J

My main problem is I'm trying to get Timid Palkia, but when I select Timid and choose generate, nothing comes up. It will only generate anything when I leave it untouched or I have IVs set for one stat. Anything more and it won't generate anything.

So, when I first get in the game world, it's one, then after the 10 coin flips, it's 11, then start from there?


* I can get natures now; but I still can't have more than 1 IV set/IV and nature set at the same time w/o it coming up blank....

 

[Gigafreak]

Yeah, I think I read that post; was it about getting the ID/SID? In any case, it's definitely set when you press A at the continue screen (and my shiny Latias agrees!).

Is that so? Most excellent.

Let me just make certain of this last detail before I finish planning out the timing of the reset to send her...

The added 310 delay estimate, you are certain this is for HGSS?

 

[Atomsk777]

Hey guys I had an emloop question... after trying to hit my delay the first time (3451) I missed obviously and added the values to make it (3793) this time... and in the guide it said that when the seconds change... drop the minute by the same value... well my seconds went from 57 to 63.... my question is.... that is over a minute.... should I therefore lower it yet another minute?

it's on May 1, 2010.... and my initial target was 4:27 and afterwards I changed it to 4:21.... since the time I have to wait is over a minute.... should I change it to 4:20?

EDIT: this is my seed 2d040d85

 

[Nailo]

Hey guys I had an emloop question... after trying to hit my delay the first time (3451) I missed obviously and added the values to make it (3793) this time... and in the guide it said that when the seconds change... drop the minute by the same value... well my seconds went from 57 to 63.... my question is.... that is over a minute.... should I therefore lower it yet another minute?

it's on May 1, 2010.... and my initial target was 4:27 and afterwards I changed it to 4:21.... since the time I have to wait is over a minute.... should I change it to 4:20?

Do that, 3793 in the first box that gives you 63.21 seconds right?

So you choose a time.. for example going to pick this one 2010 04 02 - 04:02:35

You gonna reset your DS with 04:01 right? so you have 95s between 04:01:00 and 04:02:35 so 63.21 is your delay so yhe other 95-63.21 = 31.79 s you put in the other box.. to give you some more time of human error I suggest you put 32.2s so you have 0.4s of mistake chance before your target time and 0.6s after.

 

[Eyelander]

Regarding the multiple shiny/high IV spreads spreadsheet, are the groupings limited by some max delay? In other words, if I were to toggle with ridiculously high delays, would I be able to find other shiny, high IV spreads? Or is that not how the RNG works?

 

[Atomsk777]

Do that, 3793 in the first box that gives you 63.21 seconds right?

So you choose a time.. for example going to pick this one 2010 04 02 - 04:02:35

You gonna reset your DS with 04:01 right? so you have 95s between 04:01:00 and 04:02:35 so 63.21 is your delay so yhe other 95-63.21 = 31.79 s you put in the other box.. to give you some more time of human error I suggest you put 32.2s so you have 0.4s of mistake chance before your target time and 0.6s after.

it seems we are using different guides... I have been using Syberia's guide... is the other one easier?

 

[Nailo]

I used Syberia guide too... but when you realizes how emloop works you can change the things as you want. If you understand my logic about the timers you gonna be success with any delay.. and if you have to adjust something it gonna be simple like that. Try it with the info I gave to you and see if you are not going to hit it faster than you thought you could hehehe. If you still didnt understand my logic please question me. I d love to explain...

 

[Efemera]

I think I read something about HG/SS randomly skipping some Egg PIDs...how does this work? I'm trying to breed a shiny Quiet Tyranitar, which is on frame 7 with the initial seed 1A0901F1. I successfully hit my seed and verified it by calling Elm 10 times. I then clicked Generate for DPPt Egg PID (Normal) and got this.

(unnecessary info removed)
Number, PID, Shiny, Nature, Ability, Coin, 50% Female
1, 441672ff, , Rash, 1, Heads, M
2, e749e5bf, , Naive, 1, Heads, M
3, 20258d72, , Naughty, 0, Tails, F
4, e06f0630, , Naive, 0, Tails, F
5, a6c6b30b, , Rash, 1, Heads, F
6, e686a049, , Serious, 1, Heads, F
7, 6b743d26, !!!Quiet, 0, Tails, F
8, 898d3e8a, , Adamant, 0, Tails, M
9, e0c5ae9e, , Adamant, 0, Tails, M

I collected the first two eggs, which were Rash and Naive males, respectively. Confident, I proceeded to reject the next 4 eggs. I saved in front of the Daycare man, and picked up the egg I believed to be shiny. It turned out to be an Adamant male, which means either I skipped one or two frames along the way, or I miscounted. Is the skipping random, or do the same eggs always get skipped? I will be picking up each egg individually next time, just in case.

This wouldn't be so annoying if Larvitar didn't take 10 minutes to hatch even with a Magmar in my party.

Edit: Never mind, I tried it again and I got it to work. Frame 3 was skipped for no apparent reason, but everything else went smoothly.

 

[Showsni]

Is that so? Most excellent.

Let me just make certain of this last detail before I finish planning out the timing of the reset to send her...

The added 310 delay estimate, you are certain this is for HGSS?

That's what I use for my Heart Gold; it might be different for SS, or even between carts. You could potentially play far enough into the game that you can use the usual seed check methods (i.e. catching and checking IVs) to calibrate it for you and then restart, but you'd either have to go without saving or abuse the SID all over again, so it probably isn't worth it.

You could just ask here and see if anyone has SS... Hey, anyone with SS, what value do you usually add to emloop's delay?

 

[Wichu]

Regarding the multiple shiny/high IV spreads spreadsheet, are the groupings limited by some max delay? In other words, if I were to toggle with ridiculously high delays, would I be able to find other shiny, high IV spreads? Or is that not how the RNG works?

No, you can't. The delay range only affects the frames the spreads can be found on, not the available spreads themselves.

 

[ΩDonut]

I think I read something about HG/SS randomly skipping some Egg PIDs...how does this work? I'm trying to breed a shiny Quiet Tyranitar, which is on frame 7 with the initial seed 1A0901F1. I successfully hit my seed and verified it by calling Elm 10 times. I then clicked Generate for DPPt Egg PID (Normal) and got this.

*snip*

There's a recent discovery in the RNG Research thread about how receiving phone calls can advance the IRNG by 2. However, I haven't gotten around to comfirming it.

 

[Evil-Tim]

When you're doing a shint egg with the Time Finder. You got to check your delay. I've done that and also did the right amount of happiness tabs and coin flips (included the ones for checking your delay) Tho when I put my parents in de day care and go cycle for my egg and save in front of the day care man the egg I hatch isn't shiny. I wonder how?

Is there an order in what you need to do? Like: 10 flips (checking your delay), then do the happiness tabs and then do the remaining flips?
Also I have 6 pokemon in my party (Including parents).

 

[Nailo]

You could just ask here and see if anyone has SS... Hey, anyone with SS, what value do you usually add to emloop's delay?

326 in my SS

 

[Ferrouswheel]

When you're doing a shint egg with the Time Finder. You got to check your delay. I've done that and also did the right amount of happiness tabs and coin flips (included the ones for checking your delay) Tho when I put my parents in de day care and go cycle for my egg and save in front of the day care man the egg I hatch isn't shiny. I wonder how?

Is there an order in what you need to do? Like: 10 flips (checking your delay), then do the happiness tabs and then do the remaining flips?
Also I have 6 pokemon in my party (Including parents).

What is the frame that you are trying to get, how many flips+ taps are you doing, and are you sure that you have the most recent RNGReporter? In one of the earlier versions, it had a bug with the number of happiness taps, and coin flips that you needed. If you give me the frame, I can make sure that the number is right.

 

[Evil-Tim]

What is the frame that you are trying to get, how many flips+ taps are you doing, and are you sure that you have the most recent RNGReporter? In one of the earlier versions, it had a bug with the number of happiness taps, and coin flips that you needed. If you give me the frame, I can make sure that the number is right.

I do have the seed: 85070264 1 Happiness tab & 1 Flip (+10 for delay check)
It doesn't show a frame tho in the Time Finder for shiny eggs.

 

[Ferrouswheel]

I do have the seed: 85070264 1 Happiness tab & 1 Flip (+10 for delay check)
It doesn't show a frame tho in the Time Finder for shiny eggs.

What nature are you going for, and what's your ID/SID?

Right now, 11 coin flips, and switching to the happiness program, and then tapping should advance you 35 frames, getting you frame 36, which is a jolly natured egg.

Did you get the right nature when you got the non-shiny one?

 

[Evil-Tim]

I wonder where you get the frames from? Because I don't see anything about frames in the Time Finder for Shiny Eggs.

When I just RNG voor de egg IVs I can easily get the right Nature and Ability.

ID: 62206
SID: 06286

 

[oblivion geek14]

Could somebody tell me what the Elm method is? I cant find anything about it.

 

[Ferrouswheel]

I wonder where you get the frames from? Because I don't see anything about frames in the Time Finder for Shiny Eggs.

When I just RNG voor de egg IVs I can easily get the right Nature and Ability.

ID: 62206
SID: 06286

Well, the frame 36 does show up as shiny, so either you have your ID/SID combination incorrect, or you messed up during some step of the IRNG abuse.

To get the frames, you just set the method to DPPt Egg PID.

Coin flips advance by 1.
Switching to the happiness app advances by party members times 2.
Tapping in the happiness app advances by party members times 2.