My boss: were his actions correct?

Bleach

Recently the store I work at faced a string of robberies, causing our shrink rate (that's units lost per month) to increase to an all-time high. The other day a man came in with a bag and tried to steal an entire table's worth of clothes. My boss happened to see him and demanded that he stop this at once. The robber then made a mad dash out the door towards his car in the parking lot. Instead of calling the police, my boss decided to make an example of him. My boss promptly chased him to his car, tackled him into it's side, and put his face through the windshield before all was said and done. Now my boss may be sued for something along the lines of excessive use of force.

Do you think he was correct in what he did?
 
Yep, I'd do the same, since he tackled him down, and afterwards he was able to call the police, (actually you weren't specific about that, I'm assuming he called the cops after he took him down) and the police were able to arrest the robber, thus saving the police a lot of time on the field and investigations.

Also I seriously doubt your boss will be sued by the burglar, in order for a person to be sued, a case needs to be built up, and tackling someone down and put their face through the windshield doesn't seem like excessive use of force to me. (actually, you should probably describe what he did with the robber, by "putting his face through the windshield", did you mean he broke the windshield using the burglar, or did you mean he just put his face in contact with the windshield, sorry about the english, I just never really engage on serious conversations that much with this language).
 
lol. One of my cross country teammates almost got sued for excessive use of force for breaking the nose of someone who tried to steal his bag in an airport. :P
It wasn't right, but I don't really see anything wrong with it. :P If you do something like that, you deserve to have your face put through a windshield, or have your nose broken.
 
Yes, he did call the police ex post facto.

When I say he put the robbers face through the windshield I mean he broke the car windshield with the guy's face.
 
Oh well in that case there's a case against him, for sure. If not from the burglar, from the guy who owned the car...
 
His actions were fine. The guy was fucking robbing him. The justice system is absolutely fucked up if he actually gets in some sort of legal trouble over what he did.

Also this is more of a Congregation topic than a Firebot topic. Moving...
 
I've got to say, I would not be surprised if your boss does face legal trouble. Robbing is obviously against the law, but did the robber keep the bag, or did he drop them and run? If he dropped and ran, he can make up some bullshit argument about how he was abused in the store. If he still had them, your boss could still face legal trouble, I think.

It kind of makes me think of mantrapping - if you set up your home to have some sort of alarm set off that injures someone robbing you, the burglar can sue you for the injuries and they will win.
 
Yeah I heard something about that. I've also heard of someone who sued a cop for not spelling out his rights when being arrested and won.
 
ya, i'm sure your boss is fucked, what he did was definitely (in the legal sense) wrong. he may be alright if the judge is a hard ass and doesn't sympathize for the criminal.
 
YU-RI-OH! said:
Yeah I heard something about that. I've also heard of someone who sued a cop for not spelling out his rights when being arrested and won.
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Yeah, I'm not sure about this, but if an arrest goes down and the cop doesn't read the Miranda warning to the guy, he can get sued amongst other stuff, like the immediate dismissal of any evidence in a court of law found with a warrant or any other signed document. It's crazy how one routine line can screw up cases sometimes.
 
Any judge worth his salt would laugh the thief out of court. But then again, i have seen some really stupid shit come out of the legal system. To think a thief can sue the person he is stealing from seems dumb, but thats how the system works.
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Bleach said:
Recently the store I work at faced a string of robberies, causing our shrink rate (that's units lost per month) to increase to an all-time high. The other day a man came in with a bag and tried to steal an entire table's worth of clothes. My boss happened to see him and demanded that he stop this at once. The robber then made a mad dash out the door towards his car in the parking lot. Instead of calling the police, my boss decided to make an example of him. My boss promptly chased him to his car, tackled him into it's side, and put his face through the windshield before all was said and done. Now my boss may be sued for something along the lines of excessive use of force.

Do you think he was correct in what he did?
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Morally I think he was correct. I mean you said yourself that your store's shrink rate was increasing; the boss seeing someone stealing sent him over the edge. Of course calling the police could of been option but then the robber could have gotten away.

Putting his face though the windshield was reasonable given the current situation. Hopefully your boss won't get into trouble though; but alas today's legal system... At least he taught the robber a lesson and I don't think he'll ever try something like that again, hopefully.
 
tackled him into it's side, and put his face through the windshield
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I think you'll need to clarify this line. Was he simply trying to pin the guy down when the windshield broke? That's fine and dandy.

But if your boss already had the guy under control, and then decided to beat the shit out of him just for giggles, he definitely should be charged with excessive force.
 
It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, and I think your questions have answers on the above posts.
 
Put simply, anyone can be sued for anything. Even though that guy was robbing the store, society seems to dictate that he can sue him for "excessive force" (come on, he's alive, he has nothing to complain about) and still walk away with something. Hell, look at why cops always shoot to kill; most states have some law or another that basically says if you don't pop their head off, they can sue you for maiming them.
 
I think if it was just to pin him down so he can bring him back inside until the cops arrive then that's fine. However if it was a, "take this you little shit" show of punishment he might have problems.
 
Surgo said:
His actions were fine. The guy was fucking robbing him. The justice system is absolutely fucked up if he actually gets in some sort of legal trouble over what he did.

Also this is more of a Congregation topic than a Firebot topic. Moving...
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I don't know that much about the legal system, but I've worked a few retail jobs and we've always been expressly forbid by company policy to ever chase a fleeing thief, and my understanding is that this is because if you do use "excessive force" they actually can bring a case against you.

Maybe there's some other reason though.
 
Pretty darn stupid. The only thing he should get sued for is repairs for the windshield, and that's only if the windshield didn't belong to the thief. I cant see the messed up logic behind this, yet it happens all the time. Terrible.
 
he was pushed over the limit so no it wasnt the right thing to do. However it was a good thing that he actually chased the dude down, doubt I would of had enough guts to do that.
 
You ever hear that old saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? That applies here. This is paramount to ridiculous vigilantism and will definitely be punished, I think.
 
Reminds me of that case where a burglar was on the roof of a house, fell through the roof, and sued the homeowners. The burglar won the case.
 
Surgo said:
His actions were fine. The guy was fucking robbing him. The justice system is absolutely fucked up if he actually gets in some sort of legal trouble over what he did.

Also this is more of a Congregation topic than a Firebot topic. Moving...
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My Grandma's close friend was sued by a Burglar who fell through a skylight. I don't remember if she was found accountable, but it's a ridiuculous idea.

EDIT: Just read Firestorm's post. That's pretty much what happened in the case in my post. I don't know if the robber won the case though.
 
He shouldn't have smashed his face into the windshield. I don't sympathize with the robber, but the guy was using excessive force... That's definitely going to lose him some money if (when :/) the robber sues...

I can't say I wouldn't do the same though.
 
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