My First Black and White Team

Alpha Wolf

Anti Lead
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Whimsicott @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Impish Nature (+Def,-SpAtk)
Ev's: 252 Hp / 252 Def / 4 SpDef
~ Substitute
~ Leech Seed
~ Encore
~ Stun Spore

Whimsicott is an excellent Anti-Lead, as well as a phenomenal staller/subseeder. First off, I would provide leech seed (For the other sweepers/stallers of my team), and then go into a substitute, or possibly an encore (For those who lead with stealth rock/spikes). If they lead with an Anti-Lead/Suicide Lead, I can go for the Stun Spore to slow them down to bring in a sweeper. Another possible role that Whimsicott could play would be to switch out and come back in when the opponent has a weakened and statused pokemon, subbing and encoring until KO.

Dragon Dancer: Physical Sweeper
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Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Naive Nature (+Spe,-SpD)
Ev's: 4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Blast

Salamence will most likely come in after Whimsicott sets up, or to clean up at the end of the game. If my opponent brings in a bulky water or wall, salamence can easily set up Dragon Dance to start punishing anything that gets in it's way. Outrage is obvious, being that it's one of the most powerful dragon type moves in the metagame. Earthquake and fire blast will finish off pesky steel types (Skarmory/Steelix/etc.)

 All Out Attacker
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Mienshao @ Life Orb
Ability: Regenerator
Naive Nature (+Spe,-SpD)
Ev's: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Hi-Jump Kick
~ U-Turn
~ Hidden Power Ice / Stone Edge
~ Fake out / Substitute

Mienshao acts as an all out attacker. Mienshao will come in, hit hard, and get out before getting OHKO'd. Hi-Jump Kick provides an instant STAB, and hits hard against psychic and steel types that might get in the way. U-Turn provides a safe way for Mienshao to get out and heal on the side, while Hidden Power Ice deals with the dragons that will easily OHKO this somewhat fragil pokemon. Fake Out is to provide the flinch and yet another STAB for Mienshao, painfully wearing out the other opponents team if needed.

Special Sweeper
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Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
Timid Nature(+Spe,-Atk)
Ev's: 4 Hp / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Substitute
~ Shadow Ball
~ Focus Blast
~ Thunderbolt

Gengar is definatly a good choice to be Special Sweeper of this team. Providing excellent Speed and SpA, Gengar can outspeed and break down walls and stallers. Substitute is to prevent status, and to scout out if the opponent decides they cannot beat out Gengar. Shadow Ball and Focus Blast provide perfect coverage for Gengar and for the team, taking down physical walls like Dusclops/Skarmory/Snorlax/Blissey. Thunderbolt is for bulky waters that may be a threat to my team, or are just annoying to take down. Disable could be another option to get rid of Annoying Status moves/Stat Boosters/etc.

Status Staller and Wall
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Dusclops @ Pre Evolution Stone
Ability: Pressure
Calm Nature (+SpD,-Atk)
Ev's: 252 Hp / 80 Def / 176 SpD
~ Ice Beam
~ Night Shade
~ Will-o-Wisp
~ Pain Split

Dusclops acts as a Special wall, as well as a great annoyer. Ice beam will help provide coverage for salamence due to it's 4x weakness to ice moves. Night Shade is a great STAB move against other ghosts. Will-o-Wisp is to set up the burn for pokemon like Whimsicott to go in and stall, or for Haxorus/Mienshao to sweep through easily. Finally, pain split provides decent recovery, and time for dusclops to attack and switch out if needed (Such as if a sucker punch comes along his way, or if a pokemon such as dragonite/scizor overpowers)

Wish Supporter
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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Bold Nature (+Def,-Atk)
Ev's: 248 Hp / 252 Def / 8 SpD
~ Surf
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Toxic

Vaporeon is very valuable to my team as a Wish Supporter (Due to my not picking Blissey instead). Besides wish supporting, Vaporeon can also check fire types, which could be an easy death to my Whimsicott. Surf provides STAB towards hard hitting fire types such as Magmortar, Heatran and possibly Entei. Wish will help out fragile pokemon, such as Mienshao and Salamence (If Salamence gets hit by pokemon like Weavile, or even a starter like Donphan with Ice Shard). Vaporeon can scout or set up Toxic/switch out using protect, or use protect and then wish to provide defenses against a possible OHKO move due to a STAB thunder or grass type move.




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Hey, you recently rated me and I noticed that you need some help to.

As for Conkeldurr, Payback is much more needed in my opinion for the Magic Bounce Espeons, Dusklops (like your own), Bulky Reunicluis, Latias, and Latios. As for the flying opponents, your Rotom-H can take care of them with HP Ice, and Discharge (and Skarmory, as you know, is overheat)

As for Vaperoen, switch it for Jolteon.

~ Volt Switch
~ Wish
~ Yawn
~ Thunderbolt

If you use Volt Switch on the turn that wish heals your health, the next pokemon you send out will gain the effects of Wish while the opponent falls asleep (and you obviously recover from any damage).

Haxorus is better with Taunt, many opponent like to spike and stealth rock (like me) and stall you out (Wismicott/Cofargrious)


Your team is well built, a 9/10 (I only say that because every team isn't perfect, so my highest score for anyone is a 9)

Anthonias
(http://www.victinisays.weebly.com)
 
Your team is decent, but you need some work. Here are some suggestions for this team:
Haxorus
-use brick break or stone edge instead of taunt or dragon tail
-phazing is not good for a frailish pokemon and blissey+snorlax dont threaten him, and magnezone kills skarmory
-brick break kills ferrothorn and stone edge hits ice pokemon
-stone edge is more useful but it is less reliable
-ground doesnt hit ice super effectively
-SUICUNE IS WATER, NOT ICE

Conkeldurr
-use payback instead of stone edge because ghosts are more threatening to your team than flying types, and the unreliable accuracy of stone edge is not worth having

Rotom-H
-use magnezone instead of him because he can kill steel pokemon and put dents in other pokemon with a base 130 special attack:

Magnezone@ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
EVs: 4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
ivs: 31/30/31/30/31/30 (for HP fire)
-Substitute
-Charge Beam/Flash Cannon (boosting SpA vs extra coverage)
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Fire
This guy is a great pokemon who can take out steel pokes before a sweep by haxorus.

Dusclops
-add more special bulk to dusclops because will o wisp will reduce the power of physical attacks
-replace shadow punch with taunt because seismic toss will usually do more damage than shadow punch, and taunt forces pokemon to not use set up moves on dusclops
-the 4 attack evs are useless because it only increases attack by one point, and shadow punch should be removed

Vaporeon
-use ice beam instead of toxic because dusclops willowisp and vaporeons scald will burn lots of opponents
 
This is a nice team you got here. But it seems like you still need more knowledge in the current metagame. I, Calcifer, will be happy to help you.

So lets get this started...

First I will mention any changes to the set for each pokemon and then mention any threats with the solution right below it.

Solutions will be in bold and underlined.

Ok let us start!!!


Whimsicott: This set is really effective if used correctly. I think you should change the set to this for best results.

name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Encore / Taunt
move 4: Cotton Guard / Toxic
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
ability: Prankster
evs: 36 Def / 252 SpD / 220 Spe

I kept the Substitute and Leech Seed which is needed for this set.

Encore is really good because most trainers set-up Stealth Rock at the first turn of battle and if you lock them to that move they are forced to switch out thus giving you a free turn.

Taunt is also viable and has the same result as Encore but it is not that effective.

Cotton Guard will sharply increase your Defense which keeps your Substitute last longer.

Toxic will constantly damage them and with Leech Seed this can be deadly and they are forced to switch out.

Now for the threats...

If your planning to use this set, then Ferrothorn is a threat because its immune to Toxic and Leech Seed which will force you to switch out.
Solution: Ferrothorn will use Stealth Rock at the first turn so use Encore and switch out because they are forced to switch out too.


Taunt can ruin this whole set since this set has no attacking moves.
Solution: Use Taunt first so they won't use Taunt. Whimsicott is really fast so you shouldn't worry.


Scarfed Latios is faster than Whimsicott and Draco Meteor you to death.
Solution: Switching is the only thing you can do. Switch to Vaporeon.


Banded Scizor can also use Bullet Punch to K.O. Whimsicott before it can use Substitute.
Solution: Switching is the only solution. Switch to Dusclops.


Tip: I suggest you use Leech Seed first before Substitute.


Haxorus: Ok this set needs some work. Also I recommend replacing Haxorus with Salamence since Salamence is faster than Haxorus.

But both Dragon-types are good and using Haxorus will surprise your opponent since not many uses Haxorus.

But if you really want Haxorus then here is a set that I recommend.

name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Dragon Claw / Outrage
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Rock Slide
item: Life Orb
nature: Jolly
ability: Mold Breaker
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Dragon Dance will increase Atk and Spe.

Dragon Claw prvides STAB while Outrage has more power and can sweep an entire team.

Earthquake can take care of Steel-types like Heatran or Jirachi.

Rock Slide provides coverage against Flying-types that could be a threat to Whimsicott.

If your going to use Salamence then use this set.

name: Offensive Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Outrage / Dragon Claw
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Fire Blast / Roost
nature: Naive / Naughty
item: Life Orb
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

Almost exactly as Haxorus except for Fire Blast and Roost.

Fire Blast takes care of Steel-types like the common Ferrothorn or Scizor.

Roost can keep Salamence healthy.

Threats...

Ice Shard is a threat espicially for Salamence since it does 4x damage to it.
Solution: Switching out is the best thing you can do or you can replace the item with Focus Sash if you think that is helpful but not recommended.

Scarfed or Specs Lati@s is another threat since it K.O. you with Draco Meteor.
Solution: Again, switching out is the best thing you can do. Switch to Vaporeon.

Taunt can prevent you from using Dragon Dance.
Solution: Just use an attacking move if you can outspeed it.



Conkeldurr: This set is good and there are no changes that I can think of.

I'm stuck between Payback and Stone edge though.
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Stone Edge is better because most Ghost- or Psychic- types won't be attacking you. Instead they would try to set-up screens or subsitutes then that would make Payback useless.

Threats...

Flying-types are serious threats since most of them are fast enough to destroy your Conkeldurr.
Solution: If you already have Bulk-Up set-up then you should be fine but if you don't then switch to Dusclops.

Banded Scizor can 2HKO Conkeldurr with Bullet Punch.
Solution: You can try to eliminate it before it eliminates Conkeldurr but if it can't handle it then switch out.

Special Attacks such as Volcarona or Thundurus can sweep Conkeldurr.
Solution: Stone Edge can defeat Volcarona and Thundurus. It would be great if you had Bulk Up set-up first.

Tip: Conkeldurr can also be replaced with Mienshao, Machamp, or Scrafty. If you are planning to replace Conkeldurr with any of these options then here are the sets you should use.

Scrafty
name: Dragon Dance
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Hi Jump Kick / Drain Punch
move 3: Crunch
move 4: Ice Punch / Taunt
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Moxie / Shed Skin
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
nature: Jolly

Mienshao
name: All-Out Attacker
move 1: Hi Jump Kick
move 2: U-turn
move 3: Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Fake Out / Stone Edge
item: Life Orb
nature: Naive / Hasty
ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

Machamp
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: DynamicPunch
move 2: Payback
move 3: Bullet Punch
move 4: Ice Punch / Stone Edge
item: Lum Berry
ability: No Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 240 HP / 248 Atk / 16 SpD / 4 Spe

If you need an explanation with the set then VM or PM me about it and I'll help you out. =)


Rotom-H: Rotom-H isn't that good in the current OU metagame and I recommend replacing it with Chandelure.

Run this set if for Chandelure.

Name: Choice
Move 1: Hidden Power Ice
Move 2: Psychic
Move 3: Heat Wave
Move 4: Shadow Ball
Item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Nature: Timid / Modest
Ability: Flash Fire / Flame Body
EV's: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Speed

Hidden Power Ice is to check Dragonite or Salamace.

Psychic is a good move against Fighting-types or Poisin-type like the common Tentacruel

Heat Wave provides STAB and hits Steel-types like Scizor or Jirachi

Shadow Ball also provides STAB

Threats...

Gengar can OHKO Chandelure first if Chandelure isn't holding Choice Scarf.
Solution: Switch out unless you have Choice Scarf then you can take on Gengar.

Bulky Jellicent can survive your Shadow Ball and attack back with Surf.
Solution: If your holding Choice Specs then you take on Jellicent but if you don't then switch out.

Aqua Jet or Sucker Punch is bad for Chandelure since it has priority.
Solution: Switching is the best thing you can do.​


Tip: I suggest that you hold Choice Scarf over Choice Specs because Chandelure is slow... ​


Dusclops: This set is meh... Your in the right track though. Use this set instead.

name: Defensive
move 1: Pain Split
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Night Shade
move 4: Ice Beam / Taunt
nature: Calm
item: Eviolite
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe

Pain Split is self explanatory.

Will-O-Wisp will lower attack and is espcially good if inflicted on Scizor

Night Shade is chosen over Seismic Toss is because it doesn't have enough power to hit Blissey or Snorlax so instead try hitting Gengar or Reuniclus. It also provides STAB.

Ice Beam will hit Gliscor and Salamence so your Vaporeon doesn't need Ice Beam while Taunt prevents them from setting up.

Threats...

Gengar is a threat this is why Night Shade is chosen over Seismic Toss.
Solution: Just use Night Shade.

Sucker Punch isn't good for Dusclops since it can K.O. it.
Solution: If your opponent uses Sucker Punch then this is the chance to Will-O-Wisp them.


Vaporeon: Use Surf instead of Scald (Boiling Water) because your Dusclops already has Will-O-Wisp.

Toxic is better than Ice Beam since Dusclops already has that.

Threats...

Grass-types is a common threat of course. This includes the common Ferrothorn, Serperior, Sceptile, Breloom, and Whimsicott.
Solution: Switch to Chandelure or Whimsicott. Even if you have Ice Beam you won't be able to take it.

Banded Scizor is a threat since it can Bullet Punch Vaporeon to death.
Solution: Switching to Dusclops or use Protect to keep them locked forcing them to switch out too.

Jirachi is immune to Toxic and Iron Head you to death.
Solution: Switching is the best thing you can do.

Vaporeon will also be a great support to Whimsicott, checking one of it's only weaknesses: Fire.
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Whimsicott is only Grass-type so that means its weak against Flying, Poisin, Bug, Fire, and Ice. You might want to change this sentence.


Well that is my rate. Sorry if I'm missing any threats I typed this up at the night so I could be a little sleepy. *yawn* Anyways, happy team building. =)

If you see any mistakes in this rate then inform me at once so I can learn from my mistakes. Thank you!
 
@ Anthonias - Thanks for the suggestion, very much appreciated. I think I'll keep with Vaporeon though, Jolteon works better as a special attacker / sweeper due to it's Speed, Special Attack and general movepool

@ Charginrug - Thank you for clearing that up too, I forgot that ground wasn't super effective against ice. I also forgot that suicune was water, so I'll keep that in mind as well. I'm gonna pick Chandelure over Magnezone for speed, but in the future I will most likely use Magnezone. I also agree with Dusclops with the 4 Ev's into attack, I won't do that.

@ Calcifer - Wow man, without you I don't think my team would even come close to as good as I could have imagined, I can't thank you enough for your help. From now on, when I make a team, I will also put the threats to each of my poke's. You have really opened my eyes, I hope in the future we can possibly have a battle.
 
Also, @ Calcifer again : Wouldn't you say that Energy ball / HP Grass might be a bit better than HP Ice ? Because without a grass based attack, how will chandelure combat water types ? Just a though, lemme know what you think
 
Big rate comin in

use salamence over haxorus. if u still wanna use haxorus, use Choice band set. dont ever use anything that is outclassed by something else.
A better wish supporter would be blissey. she blocks every special attack, and can be a cleric, which is good for balanced teams like this one. volcarona completely kills u if u play someone good, who doesn't get sucked in by whim. speaking of whim, use taunt or stun spore over cotton guard. taunt stops u from getting status, and stun spore can cripple sweepers. also, dont bother with speed evs on it, it gets prankster.
On chandy, use fire blast/overheat over heat wave, for obvious reasons. They both go well with specs, the item you should be running. it makes a fantastic wallbreaker. Use energy ball over psychic, its getting fail coverage, and energy ball kills bulky waters.

just try these, they will get you somewhere
 
@ Aeromance - Thanks for the input man, always appreciated :). I agree with you that Salamence is an excellent dragon, but I've already trained Haxorus, so I think I'll choice band Haxorus. I agree, Blissey is one of the best special wall/cleric OU's in the game, but Vaporeon will serve my team well as a defensive wall (Since I have Dusclops for a special wall/staller). Would Taunt/Encore go better together, or Stun Spore/Taunt ? Once I figure that out, I'll change my moveset for Whimsicott.

Next team I sport will have :

- Salamence
- Blissey
- Volcarona
 
keep encore, it serves as a good staller and stallbreaker, as well as a counter to every setup sweeper in existence. u should go with stun spore over taunt, but taunt is good if u have trouble with stall. u could try a stallbreakertran over chandy, but chandy has already fitted well with ur team. use toxic on dusclops, cos it isn't getting much damage from ice beam. he really has pitiful offences.

With haxorus, use this choice band moveset: outrage/double chop/earthquake/brick break.

I really do think u should replace vaporeon with blissey, but if u dont want to, its fine. jiraci can also do well, but BLISSEY IS BOSS. Definently consider blissey, or u could use evoilite chansey, cos thats a lot bulkier.
 
Yeah, I think this team does well with vaporeon really. I'll switch in ice beam for vaporeon to counter dragons, and then switch in toxic for my dusclops (To further make him a stalling/status wall). I may end up switching haxorus out, what do you think of choice band haxorus ?
 
@ Ryukenbo - I like your idea, I think Whimsicott needs more health rather than special defense, so updated.

@ Aeromance - I just changed to Salamence, better stats for my balanced team. I'll use Haxorus another time.

* One more Question ~ Should I use Whimsicott as an Anti-Lead, or my newly edited Mienshao for an all out attacking/switching in Lead ? Lemme know what you guys think
 
Rules for the RMT Forum said:
3. Have some actual words in your post beyond your six Pokemon and their moves. Not following this makes your post quite boring to read and rate. All Pokemon should have a good reason for being in your team anyway, so why not post that reason? If you are having trouble with this one, start by giving an explanation for each team member. Why are they there? What role do they serve? How do you get them in? Then, give an explanation of how you would open with the team and how you would go about using it. All of these things help people rate your team and allow us to offer more helpful advice.
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You might want to add descriptions to your team members so this thread doesn't get locked under violation of Rule #3, which is posted at the top of my post.

Whimsicott: Change your EV spread to 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef.

Salamence: Change Moxie to Intimidate (or keep Moxie and add the Dream World tag to this thread), as Moxie Salamence hasn't been released yet. If you're not using Fire Blast, change the nature to either Adamant or Jolly.

Mienshao: Nothing much to say here.

Chandelure: Gengar does better, with the ability to provide perfect neutral coverage and more speed at the cost of a slight amount of power. Try this Gengar set:

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Disable

Dusclops: Ice Beam over Toxic perhaps? I can't say much.

Vaporeon: Change your current EV spread to this: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef.
 
Wario is OSSIM said:
You might want to add descriptions to your team members so this thread doesn't get locked under violation of Rule #3, which is posted at the top of my post.

Whimsicott: Change your EV spread to 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef.

Salamence: Change Moxie to Intimidate (or keep Moxie and add the Dream World tag to this thread), as Moxie Salamence hasn't been released yet. If you're not using Fire Blast, change the nature to either Adamant or Jolly.

Mienshao: Nothing much to say here.

Chandelure: Gengar does better, with the ability to provide perfect neutral coverage and more speed at the cost of a slight amount of power. Try this Gengar set:

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Disable

Dusclops: Ice Beam over Toxic perhaps? I can't say much.

Vaporeon: Change your current EV spread to this: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SDef.
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Sorry about that, I'm pretty new here so I forgot about that rule. I've also changed to Gengar, updated the EV spreads on my pokemon, and given Vaporeon Toxic back. Let me know if theres any other changes I'll need to make, thank you for the input
 
The only problem I have right now is :

* Without my chandelure, how will I beat out things like Skarmory ? It may not be an issue, but could someone else address who would be a better special sweeper, Gengar or Chandelure
 
Alpha Wolf said:
@ Ryukenbo - I like your idea, I think Whimsicott needs more health rather than special defense, so updated.
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Whimsicott can't take hits from both sides of the spectrum so just focus on physical defense because he's better at surviving that and you can annoy a ton of people with it.
 
Thanks Guitar, changed Salamence to a Mixed Sweeper, I think this about does it for my team, any other input would be fantastic though. Thanks so much guys, it really means a lot to have this much advice and help before I start off my first team
 
Alpha Wolf said:
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Mixed Dragon Dance
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Salamence @ Life Orb


Ability: Intimidate


Naive Nature (+Spe,-SpD)


Ev's: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe


~ Dragon Dance


~ Outrage


~ Draco Meteor


~ Fire Blast​

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How about, no. this thing is useless. there's a reason it didnt make it onto the analysis. as a guy thats test every half-viable salamence set, i gotta say that this isn't one of the best ones. try a normal dragon dance set. NORMAL, nothing else to it. just the standard naive/Lum, or LO/252att 252spe/dd,outrage,eq,fireblast
 
Mk, I was suggested by a friend to try the mixed set, but I can see that that Salamence is long gone. Also, anyone have input on who my starter should be ? It's :

Mienshao vs Whimsicott

Mienshao starter - Mienshao would come in to punish starters such as ferrothorn or tyranitar, and then quickly switch out using U-Turn to provide sweepers a chance to either scout/kill their starter or in the case of Mienshao dying, get a quick revenge kill.

Whimsicott - Whimsicott, as I've said multiple times, is a great anti-lead. Stopping Stealth Rock/Spike leads in their tracks with encore, paralyzing sweepers, and setting up a great substitute + Leech seed would easily give the advantage to take down an offensive team.
 
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