No, because it is just a name. It's probably meant to be symbolic or to just serve as a name rather than a description.
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Wonder if "rocket" has some other connotation in japanese or if they're literally just called that because it sounds cool.
Is the RBY Game Corner not supposed to be secretly run by Team Rocket? It seems like the prize Pokémon would be illegally trafficked and that the Game Corner would not actually want anyone to know they got those Pokémon from doing Team Rocket stuff like trafficking. It would be weird to name the location of their secret hideout after themselves.
It's literally called the "Rocket Game Corner" so I think it kind of feels like an open secret. Real life yakuza are probably not that on the nose, but I've got the feeling they're also not exactly subtle about their operations either. You might know but you can't prove that you know!
This is also the game where they shut down the most populous city in the region by taking it over and blocking off access to everywhere, as lead by the leader of the organization: one of the 8 gym leaders who seemingly no one knows anything about.
You know, everyone’s all excited about Pokémon Legends ZA coming out next week, finally Kalos gets another game, blah blah blah… yeah, I don’t care. I want to take a real close look at Zygarde for a moment.
The Junichi Masuda era of the core series (Gens 3-6) had somewhat of an obsession with sticking Legendaries into caves off of the beaten path. The Regis, the two extra caves in Emerald for Kyogre and Groudon, Giratina’s Turnback Cave, the Giant Chasm, and Kalos included Zygarde as a continuation of this trend. As we know, any plans for a second Kalos game on 3DS were scrapped in favor of Sun & Moon’s development, but I’m going to be honest… I kind of prefer Zygarde this way?
The problem starts with the mechanic of Zygarde’s cells and cores. The core itself is implied to be the, well, core of the Pokémon, but only in the anime was it ever fully explained how the individual cores can still have their own sentience even though they’re the same Pokémon. Without that added context, whether or not Zygarde is one Pokémon or technically as many as five different Pokémon gets completely lost in translation. More importantly, however, is the biology of the cells themselves and this is where my confusion towards this Pokémon comes up.
The famous green color, the fact that these cells are confirmed to convert sunlight into energy, the simple fact that Alola’s tropical climate makes a lot more sense for Sygarde to survive in than some random cave… I just have to wonder, has Zygarde secretly been a plant this whole time? Because I don’t recall seeing any water in-game in the Terminus Cave, either. The anime’s depiction of the cave thankfully doesn’t have that problem, but if we’re strictly speaking in-universe canon lore, if Zygarde’s entire shtick is that it wants to protect the ecosystem and the balance between life (Xerneas) and death (Yveltal), I genuinely think making Zygarde into this weird kind of plant dragon hybrid thing that shows up in Alola may have been the plan from the start back in the 3DS days regardless of whether or not a Kalos game or two got scrapped.
I fully expect all of this to be thrown into the dumpster in a week, and if the leaks are anything to go off of there’s no reason for Zygarde to get any kind of special treatment that it doesn’t already have without actively retconning lore from the 3DS games. Am I to believe that Legends ZA takes place in the same universe as X & Y because it has Mega Evolution, or is this not a true sequel and we’re going to pull some sh** out of a** and act like the first games never happened? The middle of Paris is still probably a better environment for Zygarde than a murky cave, but I still think it fits better in the Hawaiian Islands personally.
The Junichi Masuda era of the core series (Gens 3-6) had somewhat of an obsession with sticking Legendaries into caves off of the beaten path. The Regis, the two extra caves in Emerald for Kyogre and Groudon, Giratina’s Turnback Cave, the Giant Chasm, and Kalos included Zygarde as a continuation of this trend. As we know, any plans for a second Kalos game on 3DS were scrapped in favor of Sun & Moon’s development, but I’m going to be honest… I kind of prefer Zygarde this way?
The problem starts with the mechanic of Zygarde’s cells and cores. The core itself is implied to be the, well, core of the Pokémon, but only in the anime was it ever fully explained how the individual cores can still have their own sentience even though they’re the same Pokémon. Without that added context, whether or not Zygarde is one Pokémon or technically as many as five different Pokémon gets completely lost in translation. More importantly, however, is the biology of the cells themselves and this is where my confusion towards this Pokémon comes up.
The famous green color, the fact that these cells are confirmed to convert sunlight into energy, the simple fact that Alola’s tropical climate makes a lot more sense for Sygarde to survive in than some random cave… I just have to wonder, has Zygarde secretly been a plant this whole time? Because I don’t recall seeing any water in-game in the Terminus Cave, either. The anime’s depiction of the cave thankfully doesn’t have that problem, but if we’re strictly speaking in-universe canon lore, if Zygarde’s entire shtick is that it wants to protect the ecosystem and the balance between life (Xerneas) and death (Yveltal), I genuinely think making Zygarde into this weird kind of plant dragon hybrid thing that shows up in Alola may have been the plan from the start back in the 3DS days regardless of whether or not a Kalos game or two got scrapped.
I fully expect all of this to be thrown into the dumpster in a week, and if the leaks are anything to go off of there’s no reason for Zygarde to get any kind of special treatment that it doesn’t already have without actively retconning lore from the 3DS games. Am I to believe that Legends ZA takes place in the same universe as X & Y because it has Mega Evolution, or is this not a true sequel and we’re going to pull some sh** out of a** and act like the first games never happened? The middle of Paris is still probably a better environment for Zygarde than a murky cave, but I still think it fits better in the Hawaiian Islands personally.
It's all one Pokemon; the Cores are still implied to have some manner of sentience just due to how they're depicted and how they have memories (represented by battles). It's kind of irrelevant if it's "five different" Pokemon because it's all one Pokemon that splits itself up. Think of it like a hive mind; the cells are just extra eyes and limbs but the cores are separated brains that can better monitor things.You know, everyone’s all excited about Pokémon Legends ZA coming out next week, finally Kalos gets another game, blah blah blah… yeah, I don’t care. I want to take a real close look at Zygarde for a moment.
The Junichi Masuda era of the core series (Gens 3-6) had somewhat of an obsession with sticking Legendaries into caves off of the beaten path. The Regis, the two extra caves in Emerald for Kyogre and Groudon, Giratina’s Turnback Cave, the Giant Chasm, and Kalos included Zygarde as a continuation of this trend. As we know, any plans for a second Kalos game on 3DS were scrapped in favor of Sun & Moon’s development, but I’m going to be honest… I kind of prefer Zygarde this way?
The problem starts with the mechanic of Zygarde’s cells and cores. The core itself is implied to be the, well, core of the Pokémon, but only in the anime was it ever fully explained how the individual cores can still have their own sentience even though they’re the same Pokémon. Without that added context, whether or not Zygarde is one Pokémon or technically as many as five different Pokémon gets completely lost in translation. More importantly, however, is the biology of the cells themselves and this is where my confusion towards this Pokémon comes up.
Zygarde is likely meant to allude to plant life, aside from the green it ties to the whole "environment monitor" theme. You think of the environment, chances are stuff like trees and other plant life come to mind immediately. The rigid cell structures are likely also meant to make you think of plant cells. It's a thematic connection.
Yeah we have documentation for SM that literally just pulled out other documentation meant for Version Z, down to iirc intending there to be the cell hunt in Kalos, so I have doubts to it always being intended to show up in this regard.
Also it's kind of irrelevant if there's a water source in the cave when (1) half its body is spread around the region anyway so its easy to handwave of transmitting extra nutrients if it reaaaaallly needs it and (2) the cave. Is full of creatures. That live in it? And presumably, also, get water somehow?
If Zygarde's alolan adventure gets mentioned at all I suspect it'll just be an off-hand mention (like "so Zygarde's back in Kalos..." or "It's said that Zygarde doesn't just show up in Kalos...") at best, but like, I genuinely do not know why you are getting mad at an idea you made up not being true or "retconned".
The hunt for cells is almost certainly coming back in Legends ZA. Not only does it just make too much sense but every game since Sun & Moon has had some kind of overworld collectible to look for. Zygarde Cells, Totem Stickers, the Alolan Digletts and the Swords of Justice footprints in the Galar DLC, even Hisui had the Spiritomb wisps. They’ll likely have it so each part of the city (and possibly a few in the underground sections) has so many Zygarde cells to collect out of 100, if I had to guess.
I like the hive mind analogy though, I didn’t think of it that way. As much as I thought the Kalos anime was too similar to Hoenn and Sinnoh at times (unrelated, but Serena is just a May/Dawn clone and you cannot convince me otherwise), I can appreciate it for giving us more closure on Zygarde’s role in the Pokémon world when the games weren’t willing to do so because of the cancellations and whatnot.
Hopes rise, hopes fall