Project National Dex OU: Break This Core (Week 34: Mega Latias + Kartana + Victini)

[K302]

Zard-y

 

[Triton_da_g.o.a.t]

Alomomola (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Toxic
- Scald
- Protect

could either protect on victini when it's using final gambit, or could wish and thanks to regen, it could switch to cc resist because it will be in the range for shifu-r and come in back again, in both scenarios it just scalds shifu-r then wishes for itself or wishpasses to a surging strikes resist.

252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 244-288 (45.6 - 53.9%) -- 46.9% chance to 2HKO

it could take a hit and then burn shifu-r with scald

 

[Giyu]

Sableye-Mega @ Sablenite
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Night Shade
- Recover
- Protect
- Will-O-Wisp

Mega Sableye is able to handle the two really well if played correctly. Being a Ghost-type, it can be brought in safely on a choice locked Urshifu or if you predict a Final Gambit from Victini. Since it's a Mega-Evolution, it also can't be tricked a Choice Scarf by Victini. Mega Sableye is able to tank two V-Creates giving it a turn to use Night Shade, and a turn to use Recover right after. Alternating between the two until Victini dies is really easy since Victini lacks proper recovery, and can get choice locked easily. Mega Sableye is a little bit more frail to Surging Strikes from Urshifu, but if it lands a Will-O-Wisp the first turn, Mega Sableye can alternate between Recover, Night Shade, and Protect to use the burn tick damage to Sableye's advantage.

Calculations

->
0 Atk Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega: 120-142 (39.4 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

->
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega on a critical hit: 174-207 (57.2 - 68%) -- approx. 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band burned Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sableye-Mega on a critical hit: 87-102 (28.6 - 33.5%) -- approx. 0% chance to 3HKO

 

[WM2N]

Reserving Mega Gyarados



Gyarados-Mega @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Power Whip

23 March: Will have more explanations later since i'm stuck with this mon due to not realising that the scarf set here has 252 HP instead of 252 Atk

Regret

Situation 1: High Health Victini(124/30.7%)
Switch in against urshifu, substitute up after it u-turns, thinking that it could recklessly go for final gambit since it fears the potential tech of power whip or flyinium-z bounce. we dragon dance up as victini breaks the sub with v-create since u-turn won't break it. Dragon Dance again while soaking up the v-create.
331(Max Hp) - 54(u-turn max) - 82(Sub that absorbs v-create) - 105(v-create max roll since we confirmed that it isn't locked to u-turn which will break the sub if we mega and vice versa) - 54(jet max roll) = 36 remaining HP
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 46-54 (13.8 - 16.3%) -- possible 7HKO
0 Atk Victini V-create vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados-Mega: 89-105 (26.8 - 31.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados-Mega: 45-54 (13.5 - 16.3%) -- possible 7HKO
0 Atk Victini U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 31-36 (9.3 - 10.8%) -- possibly the worst move ever

Situation 2: Low health victini(123/30.4% or lower)
The urshifu have no choice but to stay in and click surging strikes. We shall grab a dragon dance as it does so, staying non mega in case it recklessly click u-turns for some reason, then we would still have enough health to survive a final gambit so we will just grab another ddance if that happens. Otherwise we will just mega and power whip the urshifu since the victini won't switch in, otherwise it will do literally nothing. After that victini will have to final gambit, else it can't ko gyarados
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados-Mega on a critical hit: 129-153 (38.9 - 46.2%) -- approx. 3HKO
-1 252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados on a critical hit: 165-198 (49.8 - 59.8%) -- approx. 99.6% chance to 2HKO
+1 252 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados Power Whip vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 382-450 (112 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

24 March: Almost there... saving here since i'm gonna sleep and don't want to retype the long paragraph if my computer restarts or some stupid stuff happens.
25 March: don't vote for this one it sucks

 

[TrRizzo09]

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Spe
Calm Nature
- Magma Storm
- Toxic
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock


Slowbro @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Future Sight
- Teleport
- Slack Off


In heatran vs victini, tran only need to spam toxic, If the opponent switch with u-turn to urshifu, then we switch to slowbro and stall it.
In heatran vs urshifu maybe we got a little more complicated. But we still can win. Just a switch to slowbro, if u-turn, go to heatran until the opp doesn't switch. Then we got it.

 

[Sulo]

prickly

Toxapex @ or
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 104 Def / 152 SpD
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Haze

Toxapex is able to comfortably switch in on whatever the two throw at them, bar Final Gambit. It forces damage upon the two with Rocky Helmet, but you can forgo that for Black Sludge to increase longevity.

 

[Kinzo]

Unfortunately mate, submissions need to be on the VR

Ah ic ok

 

[Kinzo]

Rotom-Wash @ Electrium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Discharge
- Substitute

Switch into a choice locked shifu doing aqua jet/surging strike. Set up a sub for tini's gambit. Hydro pump it. Shifu comes back ccs and dies to hydro. The only problem is gambit and for that u have to sub beforehand

0 Atk Victini V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Wash: 66-78 (21.7 - 25.6%) -- 1.2% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-Wash: 202-238 (66.4 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Rotom-Wash Gigavolt Havoc (160 BP) vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 816-962 (239.2 - 282.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Rotom-Wash Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 248-294 (61.3 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 SpA Rotom-Wash Hydro Pump vs. -1 252 HP / 4 SpD Victini: 372-438 (92 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

 

[WM2N]

Even if we flip the scenario and switch into a choice locked tini with vcreate, do the same thing. The only problem is gambit and for that u have to sub beforehand

which means that it doesn't work in that situation, after urshifu switches in it will just cc through the sub before you attack, meaning that you won't have a sub against victini and it will just final gambit after urshifu faints unless it's super low in health.

 

[Kinzo]

which means that it doesn't work in that situation, after urshifu switches in it will just cc through the sub before you attack, meaning that you won't have a sub against victini and it will just final gambit after urshifu faints unless it's super low in health.

Ah true then there's no other scenario

 

[themonkeydidit]

Shedinja @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Poltergeist
- Shadow Sneak
- Toxic

Switch into anything but v-create and trick for free. Use protect to scout and stall out v-create. Urshifu can't touch you at all.

If you have crazy hazard control you can run ghostium instead of boots so only v-create can hit you.

Poltergeist into sneak kills victini (or just poltergeist after rocks):
252+ Atk Shedinja Poltergeist vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Victini: 306-362 (75.7 - 89.6%)
252+ Atk Shedinja Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Victini: 114-134 (28.2 - 33.1%)

 

[TheSorcer3r]

Shedinja

 

[WM2N]

I'm voting for heatran + slowbro

 

[Redgoop115]

Congrats to themonkeydidit for winning the week!

Our next week will take a page out of the new National Dex Community Create-A-Team project, with an offensive core of Galarian-Zapdos, Kyurem, and Loppuny-Mega! As usual submissions close on Friday of the week, so get your submissions in before then. Good Luck!

Sets

Zapdos-Galar @ Choice Band
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Blaze Kick

Kyurem @ Icium Z
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Freeze-Dry
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earth Power
- Roost

Lopunny-Mega @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Return
- U-turn

As a side note, anyone interested should check out the Natdex Community Create-A-Team thread, which is starting its 2nd week today at the time of this thread going up! It's run by the other less skilled and cool host of this project, TylerTheMilotic, so go show him some love!

 

[KirbCena]

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power Fire

Upon being brought in by a pivot or a double switch, Scarf Lele beats this core with ease. Lop and Gapdos are outsped and OHKOed from full by Moonblast while Kyurem needs very minimal chip.

 

[WM2N]

Reserving Mega scizor
Regretting my choice, i'm changing to zeraora

Bulk Up Zeraora



Zeraora @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Plasma Fists
- Knock Off
- Close Combat

Directly stolen from SSOU. Come in on Gapdos, bulk up as it runs in fear of plasma fist(1 of the rolls won't ko but who wants to risk that). +1 CC will smash up kyurem, whereas mega lop's fake out won't do enough, there's lot and lots of pivoting needed for it to fall into easy fake out range, and if your opponent can do that, you can surely predict them as well.

252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos-Galar: 320-380 (99.6 - 118.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

+1 252 Atk Zeraora Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 384-454 (98.2 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zeraora: 87-103 (27.4 - 32.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

+1 252 Atk Zeraora Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lopunny-Mega: 372-438 (137.2 - 161.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Kinzo]

Hawlucha @ Electric Seed
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Acrobatics
- Substitute
All you need to do is set up light screen (reflect too if possible) then u turn into hawlucha and sd while they prolly switch into kyurem then kill everything. GG. U just have to not switch into kyurem as z hurts and even if u sub on z, it just freeze dries you to fake out range so avoid this situation.
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 744-876 (190.2 - 224%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hawlucha through Light Screen: 183-216 (61.6 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Hawlucha through Reflect: 29-34 (9.7 - 11.4%) -- possible 9HKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lopunny-Mega: 330-390 (121.7 - 143.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Hawlucha Acrobatics (55 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos-Galar: 342-404 (106.5 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[themonkeydidit]

Didn't have to look far for this one:

Zapdos-Galar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- U-turn
- Thunderous Kick/Blaze Kick/Assurance

Scarf Gapdos outspeeds and OHKOs all 3 easily:
252 Atk Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos-Galar: 416-492 (129.5 - 153.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 416-492 (106.3 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Zapdos-Galar Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lopunny-Mega: 404-476 (149 - 175.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kyurem also can't switch into brave bird:
252 Atk Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem: 208-246 (53.1 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Gapdos lives at least 3 fake outs before recoil damage:
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zapdos-Galar: 75-88 (23.3 - 27.4%) -- 64.3% chance to 4HKO

U-turn for momentum and then the last slot can be played with.

 

[Kinzo]

Grimmsnarl (M) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Taunt
- Light Screen
- Spirit Break
- Rest
Ok so so u just have to not switch into a draining kiss and u r good to go. U set up screen and all the damage is halved. Now u continously taunt on fini to stop it from cming and ruining ur life and at the same time click spirit break to weaken their attacks even more. Latias is just not an issue and u can kill it with a few spirit breaks. Find too will eventually die. Realistically u won't have rest instead u will have reflect but for the longevity against this specific core, there's rest.
4 Atk Grimmsnarl Spirit Break vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Latias-Mega: 182-216 (60.4 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
4 Atk Latias-Mega Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Grimmsnarl: 102-121 (25.8 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 SpA Latias-Mega Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 45-53 (11.4 - 13.4%) -- possible 8HKO
0 SpA Tapu Fini Draining Kiss vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grimmsnarl: 90-108 (22.8 - 27.4%) -- 46.3% chance to 4HKO
0 SpA Tapu Fini Draining Kiss vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Grimmsnarl through Light Screen: 45-54 (11.4 - 13.7%) -- possible 8HKO
4 Atk Grimmsnarl Spirit Break vs. 248 HP / 68+ Def Tapu Fini: 73-87 (21.2 - 25.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[myself12]

Reserving weavile

Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Spd / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Triple Axel
-Knock Off
-Ice Shard
-Poison Jab

Instead of pursuit, weavile runs poison jab, allowing it to lure and 2HKO tapu fini.

Calcs:


252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Latios-Mega: 618-738 (205.3 - 245.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Poison Jab vs. 248 HP / 68+ Def Tapu Fini: 188-222 (54.8 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

PS: The title states that the core is mlatios + fini, but the sets are mlatias + fini. Which one is it?

 

[Giyu]

Reserving weavile

Weavile @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Spd / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Triple Axel
-Knock Off
-Ice Shard
-Poison Jab

Instead of pursuit, weavile runs poison jab, allowing it to lure and 2HKO tapu fini.

Calcs:

252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Latias-Mega: 528-630 (175.4 - 209.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Poison Jab vs. 248 HP / 68+ Def Tapu Fini: 188-222 (54.8 - 64.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

PS: The title states that the core is mlatios + fini, but the sets are mlatias + fini. Which one is it?

That set is Latios

 

[Giyu]

Melmetal @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 184 HP / 28 Atk / 44 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Double Iron Bash
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Earthquake

Melmetal effectively takes Mega Latios and Tapu Fini's attacks while utterly nuking them in return. The chosen EV spread ensures Earthquake and Aura Sphere from Latios are 4HKO's.

Calculations

->
4 Atk Latios-Mega Earthquake vs. 184 HP / 44 Def Melmetal: 128-152 (28 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Latios-Mega Aura Sphere vs. 184 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 128-152 (28 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

->
0 SpA Tapu Fini Scald vs. 184 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 52-63 (11.3 - 13.7%) -- possible 8HKO

+2 0 SpA Tapu Fini Scald vs. 184 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 103-123 (22.5 - 26.9%) -- 33% chance to 4HKO

->
28 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Latios-Mega: 240-284 (79.7 - 94.3%) -- approx. 2HKO

->
28 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Double Iron Bash (2 hits) vs. 248 HP / 68+ Def Tapu Fini: 164-194 (47.8 - 56.5%) -- approx. 27.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[KirbCena]

Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Scorching Sands
- Solar Beam
- Roost

Not sure why the Mega Latios set doesn't have Roost/Recover (especially since Aura and EQ hit the same targets and Aura does it better), but since it doesn't Zard-Y breaks the core with ease. Mtios can't take Zard-Y without recovery and Fini struggles to do anything thanks to Drought weakening Scald and Zard-Y's resistance to Draining Kiss, while Zard-Y breaks it with Solar Beam.

Calcs:
252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Latios-Mega in Sun: 110-130 (36.5 - 43.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
(You basically switching Mtios in twice while rocks are up and it dies since the set has no recovery.)

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 244-288 (70.9 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Tapu Fini Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y in Sun: 72-86 (24.2 - 28.9%) -- 97.8% chance to 4HKO

 

[WM2N]

Vote for last week: galarian zapdos

Bulk Up Zarude



Zarude @ Leftovers
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 80 HP / 176 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Power Whip
- Darkest Lariat
- Jungle Healing

Someone could definitely make a better spread as this is made for only this situation in mind, which allows it to survive a draining kiss + ice beam with 2 rounds of leftovers recovery. Explanations and calcs below.

making this work

Get a free switch against fini, bulk up(make sure terrain is up so you can't get burned by a gambling scald) then click your super effective hits. Even if fini stayed in and kissed it will need a crit to be able to let latios finish everything. Zarude is going to get 2 leftovers recovery no matter what.

attacks
0 SpA Tapu Fini Draining Kiss vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Zarude: 110-132 (29.6 - 35.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Possible damage amounts: (110, 110, 114, 114, 116, 116, 120, 120, 120, 122, 122, 126, 126, 128, 128, 132)

attacks
252 SpA Latios-Mega Ice Beam vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Zarude: 240-284 (64.6 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Possible damage amounts: (240, 244, 246, 248, 252, 254, 258, 260, 264, 266, 268, 272, 274, 278, 280, 284)

attacks
+1 176 Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 248 HP / 68+ Def Tapu Fini: 398-470 (116 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO

atacks
+1 176 Atk Zarude Darkest Lariat vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Latios-Mega: 414-488 (137.5 - 162.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

371(Max HP) - 132(kiss max roll) + 46(2 turns of lefties recovery) - 284(beam max roll) = 1 Remaining HP left

Hey you found this, so here's a note. Originally it was gonna be a 401 HP spread but i decided the power sacrifice is way too huge and went with this.

 

[Giyu]

I appreciate anyone putting that much work into calculations and EV spreads.