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Project National Dex UU: Break this Core (Week 23) - Thundy + Scizor
- Thread starter MudkipBeans
- Start date
malt
Dedenne
Scizor @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Atk / 48 Def / 180 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Knock Off
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Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 28 Atk / 48 Def / 180 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Knock Off
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Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Substitute
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Substitute
reserving roserade
Roserade @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 68 HP / 252 SpA / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Spikes
- Synthesis
switch into Amoonguss and click Sludge Bomb
252+ SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Amoonguss: 189-223 (43.7 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 302-356 (103.7 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Roserade @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 68 HP / 252 SpA / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Giga Drain
- Spikes
- Synthesis
switch into Amoonguss and click Sludge Bomb
252+ SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Amoonguss: 189-223 (43.7 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 302-356 (103.7 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet / Safety Goggles
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Body Press / Brave Bird
- Toxic / Whirlwind
- Roost
Standard stuff
+2 252+ Atk Pixilate Altaria-Mega Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 110-130 (32.9 - 38.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Amoonguss Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 23-28 (6.8 - 8.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever
+6 252+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 186-219 (63.9 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 252+ Def Skarmory Body Press vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Amoonguss: 181-214 (41.8 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Synthesis only have 8 pp, so it could be outstalled easily.
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Glaceon with a scar
Glaceon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blizzard
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
252+ SpA Glaceon Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 308-366 (105.8 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And because of Scarf it outspeeds.
So now for Amoonguss
252+ SpA Glaceon Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Amoonguss: 426-504 (98.6 - 116.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Glaceon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Amoonguss: 350-414 (81 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Not are guaranteed KO like with malt but after any form of chip or rocks it will
Glaceon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Ice Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blizzard
- Freeze-Dry
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
252+ SpA Glaceon Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 308-366 (105.8 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And because of Scarf it outspeeds.
So now for Amoonguss
252+ SpA Glaceon Blizzard vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Amoonguss: 426-504 (98.6 - 116.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Glaceon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Amoonguss: 350-414 (81 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Not are guaranteed KO like with malt but after any form of chip or rocks it will
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Rose
Nihilego @ Power Herb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 12 HP / 68 Def / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Meteor Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt / Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes
the spread in set compendium is altered slightly since this spread has all of the same intended effects without having too much differences
Fire one meteor beam, consuming the power herb. Then send off waves of sludge. Beast boost increases speed after ko so sacking malt to meteor beam is useless unless they get super lucky.
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Porygon-Z: 364-430 (117 - 138.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 438-516 (150.5 - 177.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Porygon-Z: 288-340 (92.6 - 109.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Porygon-Z Discharge vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 72-85 (19.8 - 23.4%) -- 32.4% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Discharge vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 214-252 (59.1 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
No way that get to dodge a ko, para with discharge, let it activate while clicking conversion and get high rolls on both hits and with stealth rock up right?
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Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Knock Off
Mamoswine effectively tanks hits from both Pokemon and deals with them pretty well.
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252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 422-498 (145 - 171.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 386-456 (132.6 - 156.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 247-292 (84.8 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 226-267 (77.6 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 361-426 (116 - 136.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 241-285 (77.4 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 328-387 (105.4 - 124.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Earthquake vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 220-259 (70.7 - 83.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 306-361 (98.3 - 116%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 204-241 (65.5 - 77.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 280-330 (90 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Icicle Crash vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 186-220 (59.8 - 70.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-> 252+ Atk Altaria-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 130-154 (36 - 42.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Altaria-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 195-230 (54 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Altaria-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 260-306 (72 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252+ Atk Altaria-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 324-382 (89.7 - 105.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
-> 252 SpA Porygon-Z Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 77-91 (21.3 - 25.2%) -- 0.1% chance to 4HKO
+1 252 SpA Porygon-Z Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 114-135 (31.5 - 37.3%) -- 87.1% chance to 3HKO
Reserving Nihi
Nihilego @ Power Herb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 12 HP / 68 Def / 176 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Meteor Beam
- Sludge Bomb
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt / Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes
the spread in set compendium is altered slightly since this spread has all of the same intended effects without having too much differences
Fire one meteor beam, consuming the power herb. Then send off waves of sludge. Beast boost increases speed after ko so sacking malt to meteor beam is useless unless they get super lucky.
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Porygon-Z: 364-430 (117 - 138.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 438-516 (150.5 - 177.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Porygon-Z: 288-340 (92.6 - 109.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Porygon-Z Discharge vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 72-85 (19.8 - 23.4%) -- 32.4% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Discharge vs. 12 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 214-252 (59.1 - 69.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
No way that get to dodge a ko, para with discharge, let it activate while clicking conversion and get high rolls on both hits and with stealth rock up right?
In theory, if they stay in with Mega Altaria to hit Earthquake. It isn't actually guaranteed you OHKO them with an unboosted Sludge Wave or Meteor Beam. Imagine losing your Nihilego because some one is crazy enough to stay in lol
176 SpA Nihilego Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 276-326 (94.8 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+1 176 SpA Nihilego Meteor Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Altaria-Mega: 262-309 (90 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Altaria-Mega Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 68 Def Nihilego: 684-808 (188.9 - 223.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
you are mistaken, meteor beam boosts special attack, and we are faster than mega altaria, so the +1 sludge wave will hit first.
This is if you use Meteor Beam on Porygon Z, yes. If the matchup is Altaria Vs Nihilego and you don't have the boost yet (ex. Altaria just fainted one of your Pokemon) what I said previously applies. Rarely, but sadly possible.
Yes, so that's why i never mentioned the situation, which is a following pattern in almost all of my BTC submissions. I would only include winnable situations, and occasionally mention how some situation might seem winnable but it's not, prob should have included this situation since in a common game nihilego threatens out mega altaria.
I assume you can't add any special attack to make it guaranteed either right? Then it wont be speed boosting.
Exactly, unless i use a different set which imo won't have as great of an effect on breaking this core compared to the current set.