I've used this exact set in Ubers. It counters the Lati twins even better.
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I've used this exact set in Ubers. It counters the Lati twins even better.
Is taking off items really that great? For all the hype I've heard about knock off, and how often people praise it as a "terrific move," I've almost never actually seen it used.
BTW-- is it just me or is XxFaintxX's avatar soft porn? Isn't that girl's tities showing?
BTW-- is it just me or is XxFaintxX's avatar soft porn? Isn't that girl's tities showing?
Yeah, but very soft. I'm going to maximize it once my parents leave and take a look-see, though.
Also, Knocking Off items is incredibly over-rated, as it doesn't really matter if you take away a wall's Leftovers or a sweeper's Life Orb.
And not to mention that that Scizor is really good for uber's since knocking off Lati@s soul dew makes them....OU material.
But knocking off scarfs is great though. Probably the best item to knock off. Sashes too, but that's less of a problem later in the game from SR and SS.
But knocking off scarfs is great though. Probably the best item to knock off. Sashes too, but that's less of a problem later in the game from SR and SS.
A lot of people underestimate Knock Off, especially on Scizor.
Let's look at Scizor's most common switch-ins:
- Gyarados
- Zapdos
- Heatran
- Skarmory
There's obviously more, but these are the prime examples. By using Knock Off, we can determine some things here.
Knock Off is useful versus LO Gyarados. Without it, Gyarados lacks the kick to 2HKO or OHKO many threats after a Dragon Dance.
Skarmory covets Shed Shell. Without it, lol Magnezone.
Heatran also covets Choice Scarf and without that you get the picture.
Really with Knock Off all you need is Scarf Magnezone... and you've effectively taken out nasty Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran.
Let's look at Scizor's most common switch-ins:
- Gyarados
- Zapdos
- Heatran
- Skarmory
There's obviously more, but these are the prime examples. By using Knock Off, we can determine some things here.
Knock Off is useful versus LO Gyarados. Without it, Gyarados lacks the kick to 2HKO or OHKO many threats after a Dragon Dance.
Skarmory covets Shed Shell. Without it, lol Magnezone.
Heatran also covets Choice Scarf and without that you get the picture.
Really with Knock Off all you need is Scarf Magnezone... and you've effectively taken out nasty Pokemon such as Skarmory and Heatran.
Found it! this is my sub punch medicham set! It's on page 4 if anyone want to check it!
By O.OWNAGE and Legacy Raider
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Sub Puncher
@ Fist Plate/ Leftovers
Adamant - Pure Power
56 HP, 252 Atk, 200 Spe
- Substitute
- Focus Punch
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
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Medicham's scary attack stat often goes to waste since its strongest reliable STAB attack is Hi Jump Kick, and this is only reliable in the loosest sense of the word. This set aims to make use of that 480 Atk stat alongside an extremely strong 150 power STAB Focus Punch (the strongest unboosted physical attack in the game this side of Slaking's Giga Impact), to leave most of Medicham's counters reeling.
Since the most common Medicham is easily the Scarf set, your opponent will most likely not be expecting you to throw a sub up in their face. From behind this safety net you can launch your devastating Focus Punch, or any of your other two moves. Ice Punch has great coverage alongside Focus Punch, and Zen Headbutt completes his moveset with a powerful STAB Psychic typed attack.
The strategy with this set is simple. Bring Medicham in on something that it directly threatens, e.g. Blissey, or if you are willing to take a risk bring it in on something faster like Infernape to feign the Choice Scarf set. As your opponent switches out, you can set up a substitute and prepare to hit the switch in with your choice of attack.
The Speed EVs hit 246 Spe, allowing you to outrun Jolly Tyranitar and most things that EV to be faster (Celebi, defensive Zapdos, Suicune, etc). Max Atk is obvious, and the rest of the EVs are place into defense to bulk up its Substitutes somewhat. Use Fist Plate / Black Belt to get some extra bite into your Focus Punch, or Leftovers if you think you'll be able to pull of a substitute more than once.
Now some damage calcs for you viewing pleasure:
Code:(all calculations are with Medicham holding Fist Plate / Black Belt) Focus Punch vs 252/160 Skarmory - [B]71.0 - 83.8%[/B] [COLOR=red]Focus Punch + Ice Punch kills Skarmory.[/COLOR] Focus Punch vs 252/96 Forretress - [B]70.1 - 83.0%[/B] [COLOR=red]Second Focus Punch kills Forretress while you are safe behind the sub.[/COLOR] Focus Punch vs 252/40 Jolly Gliscor - [B]44.1 - 52.3%[/B] [COLOR=red]If Gliscor Roosts, the second Focus Punch will do double damage and possibly kill him. Otherwise, Ice Punch kills.[/COLOR] Focus Punch vs 252/196 Hippowdon - [B]62.3 - 73.8%[/B] [COLOR=red]Focus Punch + Ice Punch kills.[/COLOR]
LOL our sets are pretty similar! But mine was pre plat so I didn't have zen headbutt.
Polead
Poliwrath@leftovers/mystic water
Damp
252hp, 160sp.def, 96atk/def
Relaxed/ +sp.def -spe
-hypnosis/counter
-brick break/eq/waterfall
-hydro pump
-counter/rock slide/brick break/eq
Well, I was looking at the lead houndoom thread, and i suddenly had an idea to use against explosive azelf and other thing. DAMP.
So i looked up pokemons with damp, and chose this guy, as he is the bulkiest.
Hypnosis is obvious, but if you don't like its new accuracy (curse you perry the platypus! I mean curse you plat! too much TV) you can choose counter to deal with phsical attackers.
Hydro pump is for hippo and forry and skarm.
Brick break is to destroy screens and pose a big threat to tar and a smaller one to heatran. and to have higher bp than eq.
Eq is to hit heatran hard while not so much on tar.
Waterfall is to hit both tar and heatran hard while hitting everything else harder than eq and BB.
Ice beam can be used over hydro to deal with dragons. I wouldn't recommend it as dragons are slept or countered to death.
The last slot is to pick up anythingelse you want. Rock slide for flyers, counter if you used hynosis, or BB and eq if you wanted them.
Poliwrath@leftovers/mystic water
Damp
252hp, 160sp.def, 96atk/def
Relaxed/ +sp.def -spe
-hypnosis/counter
-brick break/eq/waterfall
-hydro pump
-counter/rock slide/brick break/eq
Well, I was looking at the lead houndoom thread, and i suddenly had an idea to use against explosive azelf and other thing. DAMP.
So i looked up pokemons with damp, and chose this guy, as he is the bulkiest.
Hypnosis is obvious, but if you don't like its new accuracy (curse you perry the platypus! I mean curse you plat! too much TV) you can choose counter to deal with phsical attackers.
Hydro pump is for hippo and forry and skarm.
Brick break is to destroy screens and pose a big threat to tar and a smaller one to heatran. and to have higher bp than eq.
Eq is to hit heatran hard while not so much on tar.
Waterfall is to hit both tar and heatran hard while hitting everything else harder than eq and BB.
Ice beam can be used over hydro to deal with dragons. I wouldn't recommend it as dragons are slept or countered to death.
The last slot is to pick up anythingelse you want. Rock slide for flyers, counter if you used hynosis, or BB and eq if you wanted them.
Pretty much every suicide Azelf lead carries Psychic, which will rape you.
Also, if you have more than 1 slash on your set, it's probably crap. You should shop posting sets like this until you've tested them, seriously.
Also, if you have more than 1 slash on your set, it's probably crap. You should shop posting sets like this until you've tested them, seriously.
I'll test it, i just had the idea and didn't want to lose it in my sleep, so i posted here. I'll test it ASAP.
*it's in my team now, and i am testing it.
Battle #1: lead Absol did 45% with phycho cut. I koed it with BB. Lost it, because my team sucked.
Battle#2: lead gyra, slept it. his eq did 32%. Hydro pump did 64% to azelf switch in. Psichic killed me at 68%. You people are right, it's weak to phychic. Won it with prediction.
Battle #3: Lead mesprit, probably tricker. no, i switch and got my gyra t-waved. :( LOL, he switched in a DD shelgon!
Battle #4: pert lead, predicts a SR. and hypnosised it before it could do something. Hydro missed on gar :(. I am not switching to test the durability of this tthing. T-bolt did a mere 48%! Won it with my paraflinch cacturne i made.
So far poliwrath is doing pretty well.
Battle #5: Jolteon lead! and t-bolt kills. CRap! poliwrath sucked.
Battle #6: Zpdos lead. OMFG. it's a baton paseer! agility passer!. lol i had lom berry on poliwrath, so he tried to spore with smeargle and died! LOL. he forfeited cuz he couldn't lay a scartch on me.
Battle #6 same guy. poli got owned by its t-bolt. But i still won.
It's not that bad or good.
*it's in my team now, and i am testing it.
Battle #1: lead Absol did 45% with phycho cut. I koed it with BB. Lost it, because my team sucked.
Battle#2: lead gyra, slept it. his eq did 32%. Hydro pump did 64% to azelf switch in. Psichic killed me at 68%. You people are right, it's weak to phychic. Won it with prediction.
Battle #3: Lead mesprit, probably tricker. no, i switch and got my gyra t-waved. :( LOL, he switched in a DD shelgon!
Battle #4: pert lead, predicts a SR. and hypnosised it before it could do something. Hydro missed on gar :(. I am not switching to test the durability of this tthing. T-bolt did a mere 48%! Won it with my paraflinch cacturne i made.
So far poliwrath is doing pretty well.
Battle #5: Jolteon lead! and t-bolt kills. CRap! poliwrath sucked.
Battle #6: Zpdos lead. OMFG. it's a baton paseer! agility passer!. lol i had lom berry on poliwrath, so he tried to spore with smeargle and died! LOL. he forfeited cuz he couldn't lay a scartch on me.
Battle #6 same guy. poli got owned by its t-bolt. But i still won.
It's not that bad or good.
I've been screwing around with a suicide lead Smeargle and surprisingly its been pretty outstanding at doing it's job.
Smeargle @Focus Sash
Jolly 252ATK 4DEF 252SPE
-Spore
-Stealth Rock
-Endeavor
-Extremespeed
It does it's job quite well against most leads by Sporing them and then Stealth Rocking the switch. Then Endeavor if they bring in an offensive pokemon (People like to bring in Scizor) as they break your sash to bring them down to 1HP then Extremespeed for the kill. You can also save it for later as a Jolly Smeargle can outspeed alot of things and get you a free Spore. Usually messes up atleast 1 Poke alot of the time 2 and gets up Rocks. It obviously has problems with Aerodactyl but they almost always taunt so you can just switch in a pokemon to kill that as they will always stealth rock as you break their sash.
Smeargle @Focus Sash
Jolly 252ATK 4DEF 252SPE
-Spore
-Stealth Rock
-Endeavor
-Extremespeed
It does it's job quite well against most leads by Sporing them and then Stealth Rocking the switch. Then Endeavor if they bring in an offensive pokemon (People like to bring in Scizor) as they break your sash to bring them down to 1HP then Extremespeed for the kill. You can also save it for later as a Jolly Smeargle can outspeed alot of things and get you a free Spore. Usually messes up atleast 1 Poke alot of the time 2 and gets up Rocks. It obviously has problems with Aerodactyl but they almost always taunt so you can just switch in a pokemon to kill that as they will always stealth rock as you break their sash.
Cool set, but what if the lead has lum?
Lum leads are uncommon right now in Shoddy, therefore they shouldn't be an issue. What worries me about the Smeargle lead set is Taunt, since it can easily cripple the entire strategy and force you to switch out. To solve this, I would suggest Magic Coat somewhere in the set, probably instead of either Stealth Rock or Extremespeed.
This probably sucks ass, but I might try it one day.
Adamant. Early Bird would probably be best. Don't want to take any status effects and pass them on.
Thunder Wave
Confuse Ray
Zen Headbutt
U-turn/Wish/Sucker Punch/More Filler
Obvious parafusion set with Zen Headbutt adding flinch chance.
Adamant with 242hp/252atk/16 speed gives Xatu 230 speed...23 more speed than Stantler's parafusion, but only has 273 attack to Stantler's 317. Also it lands Xatu above Neautral, max speed base 65s and above +nature, 252 base 55s. both who sit at 229. If for whateevr reason you need to outspeed them...
Bite and Stomp from Stantler have a 30% flinch chance whereas Zen Headbutt only has 20%. But I think it could still work.
Possible or just stupid?
Thunder Wave
Confuse Ray
Zen Headbutt
U-turn/Wish/Sucker Punch/More Filler
Obvious parafusion set with Zen Headbutt adding flinch chance.
Adamant with 242hp/252atk/16 speed gives Xatu 230 speed...23 more speed than Stantler's parafusion, but only has 273 attack to Stantler's 317. Also it lands Xatu above Neautral, max speed base 65s and above +nature, 252 base 55s. both who sit at 229. If for whateevr reason you need to outspeed them...
Bite and Stomp from Stantler have a 30% flinch chance whereas Zen Headbutt only has 20%. But I think it could still work.
Possible or just stupid?
Yah that sometimes sucks your sash will save you in that case. That lead Tar with Lum is outdated now and I hardly ever see it and very few other leads have Lum because of the drop in Hypnosis accuracy Gengar and Bronzong don't run it nearly as often.
I just love to ruin smeargles with lum!
well iv ebeen tweaking with this set and am asking you guys for help seeing as you seem to know what your doing(most of you anyway)
Bulkygatr
Feraligatr @ Leftovers
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe (could be tweaked to outspeed more while staying bulky)
-DD
-Sub
-Waterfall
-Roar/EQ
I bred this totodile and wouldnt let it possibly go to waste so i made a set for it. Sub on something you know is goign to switch and proceed to set up with DD. Ill add in damage calc later, and ill tweak the EVs a smidge to make it faster. OH andf the fourth slot is up to preference. EQ smacks Empoleon and WaterAbsorb mons who would otherwise wall you or you can Simply Roar them away and switch to something that can counter them.
EDIT: It cna take on bulky water such as Swamopert as it's EQ is a 2hgko to break gatr's sub,. and gyarados is doomed if it's holding leftovers and only breakes the sub with a few Dd's and a life orb.
It takes a 252 Atk Gyara with leftovers 2 DD's to break it's sub, while it takes the same Gyara 1 DD to break it with Waterfall.
Gahh im really bad at these things, anyhelp please?
Bulkygatr
Feraligatr @ Leftovers
252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe (could be tweaked to outspeed more while staying bulky)
-DD
-Sub
-Waterfall
-Roar/EQ
I bred this totodile and wouldnt let it possibly go to waste so i made a set for it. Sub on something you know is goign to switch and proceed to set up with DD. Ill add in damage calc later, and ill tweak the EVs a smidge to make it faster. OH andf the fourth slot is up to preference. EQ smacks Empoleon and WaterAbsorb mons who would otherwise wall you or you can Simply Roar them away and switch to something that can counter them.
EDIT: It cna take on bulky water such as Swamopert as it's EQ is a 2hgko to break gatr's sub,. and gyarados is doomed if it's holding leftovers and only breakes the sub with a few Dd's and a life orb.
It takes a 252 Atk Gyara with leftovers 2 DD's to break it's sub, while it takes the same Gyara 1 DD to break it with Waterfall.
Gahh im really bad at these things, anyhelp please?
Metagross@Leftovers/ Light Screen
Relaxed/ Sassy
Ev's: 252 Hp 252 Sp Def 4 Def
Relect/ Light Screen
Ice Punch/Earthquake
Thunder Punch/ Earthquake/Grass Knot
Hidden Power Fire/ Zen Headbutt
Metagross can survive any fire attack with more than 50% health left and a light screen up other than Life Orb or Specs heatran's Fire Blast.
It can ruin Forretress and Scizor with Hp Fire, Outstall Zapdos with Ice Punch/ Earthquake as well as counter Salamence, and Gyarados all at one time
Relaxed/ Sassy
Ev's: 252 Hp 252 Sp Def 4 Def
Relect/ Light Screen
Ice Punch/Earthquake
Thunder Punch/ Earthquake/Grass Knot
Hidden Power Fire/ Zen Headbutt
Metagross can survive any fire attack with more than 50% health left and a light screen up other than Life Orb or Specs heatran's Fire Blast.
It can ruin Forretress and Scizor with Hp Fire, Outstall Zapdos with Ice Punch/ Earthquake as well as counter Salamence, and Gyarados all at one time
that's a movepool, not a moveset.
Ability : Inner Focus
Brave Nature
252 Atk / 252 HP / 6 Def
Counter
Bullet Punch
Copycat
Brick Break/Close Combat
This set is no gimmick. Prediction is key. This is designated to take advantage of suicide leads. Most will stealth rock first, then I'll use Copycat, at times they will use Hypnosis or a status move, that's when you use copycat, and that's when you feel you need Lum berry. Focus Sash is to provide safety and hurt physical attacking leads. Bullet Punch finishes them off. The reason why you would need a slow Lucario i to make copycat effective and to kick in, you don't want to be faster than your opponent. The last slot is filler Brick Break is what I prefer to take out dual screen leads and scare away Tyranitars. Close Combat will hurt more with 120 BP.
Comments?
Smeargle isn't common enough for most people to give consideration to him. That's why he's such a sneaky suicide lead.
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