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New OU List
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Guys, I'm kind of disappointed in you. This algorithm took months of hard work and then you go an post insulting things like that? The tier lists don't say how much usage things should get, only how much they will get. It doesn't matter how bad Arcanine is, it's almost certainly going to be used that much.
You can't argue against statistics with "but I want X to be UU!". I mean come on, I thought we got over this. What are we, Serebii?
OU vs. BL / UU isn't an argument of how powerful something is, only how used it is.
You can't argue against statistics with "but I want X to be UU!". I mean come on, I thought we got over this. What are we, Serebii?
OU vs. BL / UU isn't an argument of how powerful something is, only how used it is.
Obi I understand what you are saying by all means, but just because your house hasn't caught on fire, doesn't mean you should remove your Smoke Alarms from the necessary precautions to maintain safety list ( I bet you like that analogy hunh?)
I mean Dragonite in BL.....
I'm down with all of the additions, if the usage has gone up for those poke, they are OU.
But these removals will drastically affect the BL environment.
I mean Dragonite in BL.....
I'm down with all of the additions, if the usage has gone up for those poke, they are OU.
But these removals will drastically affect the BL environment.
You can not argue with that statment though. Maybe we need to review this Algorithm??????Obi said:
Algorithms aren't always correct though. And many people will take advantage of it if, say, Smeargle doesn't make it into OU in the next 3 months.
When I say 'take advantage of it', I mean 'use it against you'.
When I say 'take advantage of it', I mean 'use it against you'.
Why the hell do people KEEP SAYING THIS? BL is not intended to be balanced.
There is no BL metagame. BL exists solely to separate Pokemon too powerful to particpate in UU.
Think of what Ubers is to OU. The Pokemon that are too powerful for OU are placed in this category. BL works the same way.
Think of what Ubers is to OU. The Pokemon that are too powerful for OU are placed in this category. BL works the same way.
Basically, BL is a faux tier. It is not based on usage and is usually not balanced.
ooo wow..no Electivire? i dont even go by the list at all, but electivire basically changes the whole game...lol makes ppl more cautious to use thunderbolt/thunderwave
Those pokemon being bumped down won't really affect the BL tier, because a significant amount of BL pokes got bumped up. BL is the middleground tier, and as a result, isn't supposed to be played as strictly balanced as others.
The pokemon that got bumped down were the ones that were HUGE stars when DP first came out, and the metagames were still unsure. Now, does anyone really see that much umbreon or dusknoir? Since it i sbased on usage, its no surprise that they have gone down. And its no surprise that things like Smeargle has gone up, considering its recent ubiquitousness in the standard environment.
The only two that I really have to argue with are Hippowdon and Togekiss, because personally, I have seen very little decline in their usage.
EDIT: Also, just because something has been bumped down, doesn't mean it can't be used in standard OU. Since its based on usage and not ability to compete in it, some of the new BL pokemon severely outclass some new OU ones.s
The pokemon that got bumped down were the ones that were HUGE stars when DP first came out, and the metagames were still unsure. Now, does anyone really see that much umbreon or dusknoir? Since it i sbased on usage, its no surprise that they have gone down. And its no surprise that things like Smeargle has gone up, considering its recent ubiquitousness in the standard environment.
The only two that I really have to argue with are Hippowdon and Togekiss, because personally, I have seen very little decline in their usage.
EDIT: Also, just because something has been bumped down, doesn't mean it can't be used in standard OU. Since its based on usage and not ability to compete in it, some of the new BL pokemon severely outclass some new OU ones.s
What one person sees on a day to day basis really doesn't effect the overall scheme of things. I could argue that I haven't seen a Togekiss or Hippowdon at all for x amount of time, but the statistics will still turn out the same.
Gotta factor in the prediction part of the formula, too.
For example, check out Arcanine's usage in October 2007.
Arcanine (3505043 points)
Look at it now though.
Arcanine (4093527 points)
For example, check out Arcanine's usage in October 2007.
Arcanine (3505043 points)
Look at it now though.
Arcanine (4093527 points)
Using that rule of thumb, the list still confounds me in some aspects. Based solely on usage, among only fire-type Pokemon, Charizard - who is quite a number of places higher than Arcanine on both weighted and unweighted usage lists - would be the next fire type to be inducted into OU. Yet Arcanine makes it on the OU list before not only over the next-likely fire rep, but a number of other Pokemon of all types that are used more than Arcy.
I'm not questioning X-Act's integrity, because he has more than proved himself as a fine user, but something about this algorithm seems slightly off...
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Using my previous example...
Charizard [October 2007] (2535888 points)
Charizard [March 2008] (6993129 points)
And this is only one Pokemon with arbitrary limitations to type and previous tier status.
Depends how you look at it. Perhaps people have realized that Arcanine's Stealth Rock weakness is far less debilitating (25% switch in as opposed to Charizard's 50%). That reason alone would be enough to sway many people. You know how common Stealth Rock is in the current metagame.
Again, although Charizard is arguably "more powerful", the jump from BL to OU is based solely on usage. Arcanine's usage is climbing at a rate faster than Charizard's. Both are banned from UU, however the former is used more.
Again, although Charizard is arguably "more powerful", the jump from BL to OU is based solely on usage. Arcanine's usage is climbing at a rate faster than Charizard's. Both are banned from UU, however the former is used more.
Well I understand that but how about we stick with the current OU BL list like whats going on as we speak?
What the hell would we not?
Keep the list current and up to date, don't predict future usage!
Are we going to add that new Marowak Evo to the list? Its going to be OU right?
The fact of the matter is that there are at least 10 BL pokemon that got used more or OVER USED, compared to 7 pokemon that are now OU and have less usage. Fucked.
What the hell would we not?
Keep the list current and up to date, don't predict future usage!
Are we going to add that new Marowak Evo to the list? Its going to be OU right?
The fact of the matter is that there are at least 10 BL pokemon that got used more or OVER USED, compared to 7 pokemon that are now OU and have less usage. Fucked.
I dont get how the Algorythm works. I mean, Dragonite went from 49 to 41 in February -> March and he ISN'T on the OU list, yet Kingdra, who is steadily in between 45-50, is. Seems a bit...weirdish to me.
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