New Team that doesnt have blissey xD

[LolIFillBlanks]

☼A Glimpse At The Team☼

Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252speed/252sp.atk/4hp
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Hypnosis

Standard lead nothing really much to say destiny bond is for the carios that i cant really kill otherwise and outraging scarfchomps

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252atk/216speed/46hp
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall

Pretty much sweeper tuant for skarmory and phazers who hate gyra, nothing really else to say i guess, i run jolly becuase i always like to be faster after 1 dance im faster then modest gengar i think...and can ohko with waterfall.

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang
- Roost
- Stealth Rock

Wall for blocking some nasty t-bolts that hurt some other very important guys, walls tyranitar to an extent if it doesnt have ice beam, and adds SR.

Snorlax (M) @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 48 HP/210 Def/252 SDef
Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Body Slam
- Rest

mainly to take ice beams flamethrowers etc. also a status absorber to an extent curses up rests off all damage and awakes with the chesto.

Starmie @ Choice Specs
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 42 HP/216 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+Satk -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam

My favorite guy hydro pump and specs is brutal sooo sooo brutal ohko's ttar and friends grass knot is for swampert and his friends who starmie doesnt cover with a different move >_> but i havent really used anything really other than ice beam and hydro pump on this guy. anyway i like to think of him as a wall breaker :P. as he breaks everything besides cress bliss etc.

Metagross @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs:252Atk/77def/104hp/8spd/69sdef
Adamant nature (+Atk -SAtk)
-Meator Mash
-Ice Punch
-Bullet Punch
-Earthquake

Bullet punch for priority, meteor mash for some hard hits ice punch for dragons and quake for electrics. tried my hand at making EV spreads tried making gross as bulky as i could if anyone has a suggestion for a better one id be happy to take it.


So guys just tell me what you think in a intelligent response, post some suggestions and there always welcome although i cant garuntee that ill put them into action i will put them into action. So thanks for looking.
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[Cerulean21]

I'd recommend Thick Fat over Immunity on Snorlax, firstly because you've got Rest, so you don't have to worry about Toxic and secondly because it really helps his durability, especially since you want him to take "random Ice Beams and Flamethrowers"

 

[Scofield]

Gengar is not a scarfchomp counter. To actually have one I would recommend replacing aerial ace on gliscor with ice fang, since he can just wear hera down anyways, he doesnt need to ohko. And yes, use thick fat on lax, I'd also recomend body slam>return as the paralysis really helps hera sweep.

 

[Jigo]

I'd also recommend Thick Fat for Snorlax. You might want to think about Body Slam over Return on Snorlax for paralyzing opponents. (ALthough Return offers more power.) Also, on Heracross, I'd go with Megahorn and Stone Edge over Swords Dance and Facade. Keep SD if you want it, but Facade is unecessary.

 

[LolIFillBlanks]

I'd also recommend Thick Fat for Snorlax. You might want to think about Body Slam over Return on Snorlax for paralyzing opponents. (ALthough Return offers more power.) Also, on Heracross, I'd go with Megahorn and Stone Edge over Swords Dance and Facade. Keep SD if you want it, but Facade is unecessary.

Facade is not unnecesary as guts+swords dance+facade=some heavy damage and jolly on heracross does about 74% to glissy give or take, so i can ohko with 2 dances under my belt

 

[Mr. Whatever]

Where would you have the time to set up two dances? Megahorn gets STAB so it is better for sweeping purposes.
Scarfape could pose a small problem for you as the only pokemon that you have that can stand up to it is Gengar if it is carrying Tpunch, although that is somewhat uncommon, but something to think about.
I would say that if you want to use Rest on Snorlax, go with sleep talk and leftovers over an extra attack and Chesto berry. In advance, you could usually get away with Chestorest, but once Snorlax rests a second time, or gets put to sleep after the berry is gone, it can be dead weight. Lax will also really miss leftovers recovery, especially against Sandstorm/Hail teams.

 

[kd24]

Just looking at the team you have a huge Deoxys E weakness. Make sure you keep Timid Scarfgar for right now as it is your only way to revenge kill it. However I would add in Metagross over Snorlax. He contributes to this team by being able to stop deoxys right away, as well ass adding more attack support. He also provides a Priority move something that helps in a team weak to weavile.

Heracrosses Flame Orb should be replaced with Toxic Orb, although all together I prefer MoPCross or ChoiceHera. MoPCross would help a lot as it allows you another way to stat up and Sub protects you from status, something any team without a Cleric will want. In today's fast paced Metagame Heracross will not hit as hard as he should especially without Stone Edge or Megahorn.

With HP Ice Gengar, SpecsStarmie, and Tauntrados I feel that Gliscor is not a big worry and using the FlameOrb set is not worth it since that is it's biggest merit. On the subject of SpecsStarmie a Timid Nature means that Hydro Pump will not OHKO a Tyranitar something to be weary of when relying on him to kill it. You would want to rely on Metagross and Heracross usually, as well as a Hypnosis from Gengar.

Moving on to EV's, Gengar would rather have you max his speed so he can be the fastest Gengar in the game and perhaps pokemon. I think Destiny Bond would be a good addition to that type of Gengar as a Raging Garchomp in Sandstorm could potentially hurt you, and you can not rely on missing. Destiny bond would be a safe way to kill him. It also helps with Lucario with a SD and max HP. Thunderbolt will not OHKO and his Crunch will. You would be better off running destiny bond to kill him. Now sure Gliscor should counter him, but if he dies you have no counter at that point.

Speed on Gyarados is not exactly helpful as his main job is to be bulky and gain speed. It doesn't matter what you are attempting, running Jolly Max Speed Gyarados is just stupidity.

A SpecsStarmie Hydro Pump as well as running ScarfGar and Hopefully Metagross, makes Psychic look bad on Starmie just for killing Gengar. I think something like Grass Knot or Rest would be much better as they allow for more coverage. You can even opt for rapid spin support, something this team needs. However it is not as great as rest or grass knot because you will be stuck on it, and if they bring in a ghost you are forced to switch.

I want to convince you to use Metagross so remember Metagross is immune to Sandstorm and Toxic and resists Ice. Gyarados and Starmie can soak up Fire attacks.

I didn't really go into detail earlier on this just stated the options, but on Heracross I would go with Choice Band. This allows you the 4 moves and Stone Edge does do a bit of damage to Gliscor still.

On your own Gliscor I find running 282 Speed really helps, as it gives you a more reliable way to kill some pokemon that run 280-281. This helps the most on HP Ice Lucario who can kill Gliscor. Running 282 should sllow you to outspeed and OHKO with Earthquake.

Your team does not have a good Sleep Absorber, so I recommend putting Gengar as a lead and letting gyarados sweep later. Then you could even use Gyarados as a Sleep-Talker since I don't see how he is really contributing to the team right now.

Starmie is not a wall-breaker because he can not break blissey or cresselia. Hopefully you do use Choice Band Heracross which should allow you to OHKO them both. It also would help with wobby if you opted for Gengar as the lead.

I am usually against more then 3 Choice banders so if you go with Metagross (And again I say it because you need him to beat Deoxys!) I would make him maybe mixed to beat swampert and skarmory (think of him as back-up)

So a Final Team in my eyes would be:

Gengar - Choice Scarf
Timid
Max Speed and Special Attack
-Hypnosis
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Shadow Ball

Gyarados - Leftovers
Adamant Nature
Lots of HP and Def, with a bit of attack
-Dragon Dance / Stone Edge
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Waterfall

Gliscor: Leftovers
Jolly Nature
Make sure Speed is 282 with evs. Rest in HP and then dump the leftover evs in def
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Roost
-Stealth Rock

Metagross - Life Orb
Quiet Nature
Max Attack and Special attack pretty much with a bit of hp and maybe enough speed to beat standard swampert (you might already do it since most run relaxed nature)
-Grass Knot
-HP Fire
-Meteor Mash
-Explosion / Earthquake

Starmie - Choice Specs
Timid Nature
Max Special attack and speed
-Hydro Pump
-Grass Knot / Rest
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt

Heracross - Choice Band
Adamant Nature
Max attack and speed evs
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Pusuit
-Stone Edge

hope this helps you

 

[Scofield]

Oh, also on heracross, I'd go with facade/megahorn/close combat/swords dance

megahorn deals with cressy better than night slash since it has stab and dusknoir should still be ohkoed by stone edge (remember most are special walls) as well as stone edge hitting gyarados harder.

 

[LolIFillBlanks]

alright to kinglerdudes amazingly long post i find that starmie always ohko's tyranitar with hydropump (although accuracy is pretty horrible)
i ended up putting gengar in the lead and just giving gyara max attack and speed (with a bit of hp) i did add grass knot but pyschic was for fighters as i couldnt really kill them when i switched gliscors aerial ace for ice fang.
IF i did run metagross i would run choice band and replace heracross with it. I also did add destiny bond (gonna edit main post here soon...) but since i did replace explosion i gave it max speed...i think thats about it

 

[kd24]

Eh the tyranitars you are facing must not be at max health and are not running any HP or anything. ModestSpecsStar Surf fails to kill tyranitar so I don't see how TimidSpecsStar Hydro Pump will difer. In fact it should do less in theory I think. Also Hydro Pump hits all those fighters for kos anyway and ice beam deals with breloom. Gengar and Gliscor should take all the rest...

If you do keep snorlax then you could just keep gyarados as a late-game sweeper and snorlax as a sleep talker. Metagross needs to be able to kill deoxys so switching up attacks help so life orb would be better.

Gyarados: Life Orb
Adamant
EVS: 252 Atk / 80 HP / 176 Spe
-Waterfall / Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

Snorlax: Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVS: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SpD
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Curse
-Body Slam / Return

That would be your best bet. Just make sure gengar kills most of the ghosts before you bring him out. he is wrecked by steel types as well so make sure starmie, gliscor, and metagross beat them all. Then it is a clear way for a Lax Victory.

 

[umbarsc]

I'd use Earthquake over Crunch on Snorlax. You lose coverage on Gengar, yeah, but it allows you to counter Heatran better, and Lucario, Tyranitar, Metagross, etc. don't switch in so easily.

 

[Wayff]

Alright, Randomdude. KinglerDude told me this is the longest post in an RMT thread he has ever posted, but where can we star? This team has a slight Weavile weakness. Second of all, a Mix Lucario with Swords Dance, Bullet Punch, HP Ice, and Close Combat could 6-0 you once Starmie is down. I'd probaly not worry about those two, because they're really rare now. Choice Specs Deoxys-E will destroy this team. I'd probaly try to fit Jirachi, Metagross, or Bronzong onto this team. Lanturn works well too. You could try putting Lanturn over Gyarados.

 

[LolIFillBlanks]

Eh the tyranitars you are facing must not be at max health and are not running any HP or anything. ModestSpecsStar Surf fails to kill tyranitar so I don't see how TimidSpecsStar Hydro Pump will difer. In fact it should do less in theory I think. Also Hydro Pump hits all those fighters for kos anyway and ice beam deals with breloom. Gengar and Gliscor should take all the rest...

If you do keep snorlax then you could just keep gyarados as a late-game sweeper and snorlax as a sleep talker. Metagross needs to be able to kill deoxys so switching up attacks help so life orb would be better.

Gyarados: Life Orb
Adamant
EVS: 252 Atk / 80 HP / 176 Spe
-Waterfall / Ice Fang
-Earthquake
-Dragon Dance
-Taunt

Snorlax: Leftovers
Careful Nature
EVS: 252 HP / 68 Def / 188 SpD
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Curse
-Body Slam / Return

That would be your best bet. Just make sure gengar kills most of the ghosts before you bring him out. he is wrecked by steel types as well so make sure starmie, gliscor, and metagross beat them all. Then it is a clear way for a Lax Victory.

Idk about the ttars ive been facing but ive ohko'd em with hydro pump, id do damage calculations but im lazy ;)

 

[blasphemy1]

In general you want HP>defense, especially on a poke like Metagross who has plenty of defense and average HP. Maybe shift a little into speed to beat out things like Max speed Adamant T-tar and you should be fine. Or the standard spread: 252 HP / 236 Atk / 12 Def / 8 Spd, which allows you to survive CB Adamant Dugtrio's EQ, if you are paranoid like me.

Next, Destiny Bond is pointless, unless you plan on leaving Gengar in on Blissey to get 4-5HKOed by Ice Beam, in which case Blissey would rather just Thunder Wave you. Why not Focus Blast? It covers Weavile and Tyranitar without having to kill yourself and it has great type coverage with Shadow Ball. Focus Punch with a Hasty nature, LO and 136 Attack EVs is sick for Blissey as well, easily OHKOing Tyranitar and Weavile anyways.

Jolly on Gyarados with those EVs only allow you to outspeed base 394s, which isn't the best group to outspeed anyways due to the prevalence of Choice Scarf. I suggest Adamant with 184 EV into speed, giving you 366 Speed, thus outspeeding Timid Gengar, Starmie, Azelf, ya know, the kind of stuff you should be concerned with as oppose to the rarely seen Crobat, Jolteon and Aerodactyl.

If you do opt to keep Jolly, you have more than 510 EVs, thus impossible. It would be 40 EVs remaining for HP, not 46.

All I have to say to players using Specs Starmie is watch out for the now common special tanking CB Tyranitar, who always survives your Hydro Pump. BTW, you will want Modest on Starmie, just like Modest is more preferred on SpecsMence. It might sound good to outspeed Gengar, but most either run Scarf or they are just going to switch out.

 

[kd24]

Modest Hydro Pump from SpecsStarmie is the only way to kill Tyranitar, that was the point I am making.

 

[Wayff]

Alright... I'll AldaronRate this thing. It'll be fucking long, Randomdude. To start off, every team member on this team looks like it has a pretty good job.

This team has no huge weaknesses in my eyes. You do have a slight Dark weakness, but other than that, no other weaknesses on typing.

Offensive threats: Tyranitar. Tyranitar is a huge threat to this team. Those 252/216/42 CB Tars are even a bigger problem. In theory, Gliscor sounds like it's enough, but lots of Tyranitar carry Ice Beam, especially Boah and Mixtar. Wobbufect looks like it can stall out some of your team. Kingdra is a huge threat, Gyarados won't counter it. Draco Meteor is a OHKO. I'd try to look out for Machamp. That thing can hurt this team pretty badly. You also have a pretty big Mamoswine weaknesses. Magnzone would annoy this team too. Offensive Celebi will be annoying.

Defensive threats: First of all, you have a Suicune weakness. Nothing on this team can counter Bronzong. Defensive Scizor might not be able to hurt anything on this team, but can stall lots of Pokemon out. One thing that's pretty ironic is your Zapdos weakness. It's huge, none of your team can do anything to it, while it can outspeed every not named Starmie.

Suggestions: First of all, I would definetly slap HP Ice onto Gengar to revenge kill low health ScarfChomps. HP Ice gives you something to hurt Gengar. I'd try putting Reflect on Starmie, it really helps with your Tyranitar weakness. I'd also make Gyarados as a RestTalk version.