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[Bruno Magno]

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Every generation changed the OU metagame through new battle mechanics, but Forretress is certainly one of the best available spikers, sporting huge defences, wide movepool and Sturdy, which allows him to set at least a level of Stealth Rocks every match. Depending on the Team Preview, i can decide what hazards should be set on the first turns. Gyro Ball is really strong due to the low speed and not-so-bad Attack (eg. Espeon and Gengar get 2HKO'd). The EV spread is pretty easy - specially defensive orientated. Now, Rocky Helmet does 17% damage each contact move it gets. Why is it so helpful? Lots of people use Dragonite as lead, so that they can get boosts while the lead sets hazards and/or sponge attacks with Multiscale. Basically i set two-three Spikes layers while it dances, then he FirePunches, i hold on with Sturdy, Rocky Helmet breaks Multiscale, and Gyro Ball is 1HKO. This strategy works 99% of the time, and can help Volcarona a lot due to the lack of HP Ice​

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Scarf Gengar replaced my Scarf Latios, as i wasn't brave enough to spam Draco Meteors. Trick stops the nowadays-common Blissey, and allows Scrafy to get some random dances. Gengar also switches in Ground- and Fighting-type attacks to help the rest of my team, and can get U-Turns without many troubles. Shadow Ball is the main move, Focus Blast completes the coverage and hits Tyranitar and Steel-types, Hidden Power Ice is for dragons and Gliscor​

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Volcarona is my final cleaner. I decided to use it after i've seen how great Forretress is at spinning and taking Dragonites out. Quiver Dance, then proceed to sweep, 2-3 kills per match guaranteed. Fiery Dance is extremely strong, and has also a nice 50% of raising the SAtk by 1. Bug Buzz is the other STAB, and gives a great coverage (for the likes of Latias). Hidden Power Ground hits Heatran SO HARD. If you choose HP Ice, you can't do anything at all, and you're forced to switch even after 2-3 dances. It's also helpful against Steel-types on rain teams as it's supereffective. Leftovers is mainly to heal the Sandstorm damage, but also to get back some HP lost due to Stealth Rock​

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Used it because i though it had Moxie, and i'm too lazy to change it on the teambuilder. I decided to abuse Dual Chop to kill any Focus Sash / Multiscale abuser, and it's way better than Outrage. The Speed is quite low (97 only), but it's really fast after a Dragon Dance. Earthquake is for coverage, hitting Steel-types (especially Heatran). Rotom-W is completely screwed due to Mold Breaker, Earthquake is 1HKO if somebody forgets Levitate is useless. I don't remember what's the EV spread for, but i don't care. Taunt shuts Ferrothorn / Blissey down, so they can't cripple me while i 2HKO. I'm thinking Outrage > Taunt, is it any worthy?​

 

[Bruno Magno]

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Also, reserved for threat list

 

[bubbly]

None of your offensive mons have ways past defensive walls like SpDef Hippowdon. Literally any team with Hippo should beat this easily, unfortunately. The same goes for a few other common defensive pokemon like Gastrodon.

To me Rhyperior looks like the weakest link. It's not that great in this metagame to start with, being walled by very common mon's like Skarmory (basically, nearly all common physically defensjve pokemon except Gliscor will beat it 1v1 after an Agility). With this kind of team you have a lot of options to replace it with; my suggestion would be to run a Life Orb Mamoswine over Rhy, and then use Life Orb Latios. Makes you a bit weak to Rock Polish or Scarf Terrakion but that can be fixed easily.


Other stuff...SD Lucario is almost always superior to your current set, and works better with your other team members in terms of offensive synergy. You may also want to replace Volcarona since it doesn't really help break down similar defensive mon's, but its still a reasonable choice. If you did decide to replace it, the usual suspects like ScarfMoxieMence would work fantastically over it.

 

[RedthePokemonTrainer]

Outside of scarfed latios (which isn't much considering you're Non LO timid natured) you don't exactly have any access to instant power. and yes what the poster said about SD luke is completely true.

 

[Bruno Magno]

None of your offensive mons have ways past defensive walls like SpDef Hippowdon. Literally any team with Hippo should beat this easily, unfortunately. The same goes for a few other common defensive pokemon like Gastrodon.
Don't know if it's me, but i've never faced an Hippowdon, for Gastrodon, it's rare, and i can easily beat him with some hazards damage + Lucario / Haxorus

To me Rhyperior looks like the weakest link. It's not that great in this metagame to start with, being walled by very common mon's like Skarmory (basically, nearly all common physically defensjve pokemon except Gliscor will beat it 1v1 after an Agility). With this kind of team you have a lot of options to replace it with; my suggestion would be to run a Life Orb Mamoswine over Rhy, and then use Life Orb Latios. Makes you a bit weak to Rock Polish or Scarf Terrakion but that can be fixed easily.
LO Mamoswine seems awesome, but then Scizor could be a pain in the ass. I mean, with some prior damage Rhyperior can kill with Earthquake after taking 30% only from Bullet Punch, but Mamo is super-weak to Scizor. Should i use an offensive threat with Will-O-Wisp to cripple Scizor / Dragonite / Terrakion?

Other stuff...SD Lucario is almost always superior to your current set, and works better with your other team members in terms of offensive synergy. You may also want to replace Volcarona since it doesn't really help break down similar defensive mon's, but its still a reasonable choice. If you did decide to replace it, the usual suspects like ScarfMoxieMence would work fantastically over it.
I tried almost any set for Lucario, and the Agility one is the only i liked. All of them don't have enough Attack / Special Attack / Speed, and the choices are rarely useful. Agility makes him really fast and can compensate the quite low SAtk with the coverage. Volcarona can't be changed, it's like a special version of Gyarados - crippled by hazards and bad weaknesses, but can sweep a whole team with a boost

Outside of scarfed latios (which isn't much considering you're Non LO timid natured)

I don't need instant power as far as i need a turn only (Haxorus, Lucario) to start an effective sweep. I don't like my mons to be choiced (i have Latios, but i use Trick almost all the time), so, for an HO, the best possible team is Forretress + 5 setup sweepers. Too bad i had to change my Tailwind Shaymin, but it suffered too much for the moveslot syndrome

 

[frogoholic101]

I don't need instant power as far as i need a turn only (Haxorus, Lucario) to start an effective sweep. I don't like my mons to be choiced (i have Latios, but i use Trick almost all the time), so, for an HO, the best possible team is Forretress + 5 setup sweepers. Too bad i had to change my Tailwind Shaymin, but it suffered too much for the moveslot syndrome

As previous raters have highlighted, agility lucario isn't ever going to be sweeping; it is just too weak. The main point of Hyper Offense is to smash through a common wall. Sadly, your special sweepers can't get through Blissey and your physical ones have a real issue with coverage. Scarf Latios and Agility Lucario aren't sweeping any time soon.

I'd recommend running a Swords Dance Lucario over your current one, and running choice specs and Draco Meteor over choice scarf and Dragon Pulse on Latios. This will provide you with some instant power and a lot of free turns to set up with when your opponent has to switch.

 

[Bruno Magno]

I'd recommend running a Swords Dance Lucario over your current one

If i have to use a phisical Lucario, i'd use Agility + Close Combat + Shadow Claw + Ice Punch. At +2 Speed is almost impossible to outspeed, and it's really hard to kill without Mach Punch. Swords Dance is just too slow

and running choice specs and Draco Meteor over choice scarf and Dragon Pulse on Latios.

First set i tried, but i really hate such moves. I must switch after a Draco Meteor, and a wrong predict can screw me, while Dragon Pulse is still strong (130 SAtk + STAB) and i can use it as much as i want. Choice Specs is an option, but i'd be too weak at Scarf sweepers, as the only thing i can do is try intelligent sweeps

 

[frogoholic101]

So how exactly does Lucario work for you when it has 329 Sp.Atk that isn't boosted at all? Keep in mind the Swords Dance set can use Extremespeed. Even the Nasty Plot one can use Vaccuum Wave.

 

[Vega07]

I have to agree with other Raters. Swords Dance Lucario with Extreme Speed, Earthquake, and Close Combat helps out a bunch. Even Nasty Plot Lucario, can be a threat with its ability to Raise Special attack to massive Levels.

Haxorus needs Outrage and Lum Berry. With those it can go nuts after a single Dragon Dance. Not to mention Dual Chop is really only good for breaking Substitutes.

Rhyperior looks great, but should be left in the UU tier where it belongs. As there are just better options with greater power and Greater Speed without Rock Polish.

Looking at this team I see a huge glaring Weakness. And their names are Terrakion and Scizor. Those two wreck this team. And there is nothing any of your pokemon can do about it. Scizor's only stiff competion comes from Volcarona, which is delt with a U-Turn pass to Terrakion. Stone Edge and its over, and Terrakion can still deal with other issues. Hell a Terrakion running X-Scissor can even deal with Latios.

However, I can see where this team is going. And its got a nice offensive style, but if you go full power offense you have to do it right. Its like football, sure you can score 56 points, but if your defense can't keep the opponent to 49, you lose. Just some stuff to think about.

 

[Bruno Magno]

Swords Dance Lucario with Extreme Speed, Earthquake, and Close Combat helps out a bunch. Even Nasty Plot Lucario, can be a threat with its ability to Raise Special attack to massive Levels.
I'll try SD + EQ + Extremespeed + CloseCombat. Is EQ really needed? I'd use Ice Punch to hit Gliscor and dragons harder

Haxorus needs Outrage and Lum Berry. With those it can go nuts after a single Dragon Dance. Not to mention Dual Chop is really only good for breaking Substitutes.
I hate Outrage, i always go Dragon Claw, and Haxorus gets Dual Chop, which is way better. Focus Sashers are pwned, and Dragonite always dances (thinking i have Outrage), and it's a ko

Rhyperior looks great, but should be left in the UU tier where it belongs. As there are just better options with greater power and Greater Speed without Rock Polish.
Such as? (nothing in the top20 usage)

Looking at this team I see a huge glaring Weakness. And their names are Terrakion and Scizor. Those two wreck this team. And there is nothing any of your pokemon can do about it. Scizor's only stiff competion comes from Volcarona, which is delt with a U-Turn pass to Terrakion. Stone Edge and its over, and Terrakion can still deal with other issues. Hell a Terrakion running X-Scissor can even deal with Latios.
Volcarona switches on Bullet Punch, takes a shitty damage and burns with Flame Body. If i manage to set up a Rock Polish, Rhyperior's Earthquake hurts really bad, otherwise i switch on a fodder (someone with like 10% HP), i take a Close Combat, then switch into Latios to kill with Dragon Pulse at the -1. That's not the best strategy, but it works almost any time

So how exactly does Lucario work for you when it has 329 Sp.Atk that isn't boosted at all? Keep in mind the Swords Dance set can use Extremespeed. Even the Nasty Plot one can use Vaccuum Wave.
STAB Aura Sphere can 2HKO so many threats, and Hidden Power Ice + Dark Pulse give huge super-effective coverage. Swords Dance Extremespeed could be an option, i'll try it. Nasty Plot sucks, Vacuum Wave isn't strong enough to do anything at all, and Blissey still walls to the death

 

[Lasers]

all of your offensive pokes have leftovers instead of life orb. Why? lol

 

[Bruno Magno]

Lucario and Haxorus are so weak to priorities and Volcarona to hazards i can't lose HP on Life Orb

 

[Vega07]

But with Life Orb, Lucario, Haxorus, and Volcarona's damage output goes way up. This means they need less time to setup before attempting to sweep. And don't forget, Lucario has access to three priority moves of its own.

 

[Scytherslash]

I agree with Vega07 about Outrage+Lum Berry on Haxorus. If the opponent doesn't have their Steel type anymore, Haxorus will be doing massive damage to everything, and Lum cures confusion. Plus, Lum allows you to setup on things like Jirachi who try to give you a status, and then you can start your sweep.

If you don't want to use Swords Dance Lucario, maybe you could try Agility Metagross. From the start he already has more power the Lucario, has more physical bulk, and can learn Ice/Thunder Punch. If your lucky you might even get an attack boost from Meteor Mash.

 

[Lasers]

Lucario and Haxorus are so weak to priorities and Volcarona to hazards i can't lose HP on Life Orb

Lucario and HAxorus are already frail, leftovers is not going to make them last longer. You might as well increase their offensive power to help you net ko's with life orb, but for haxorus i reccomend lum berry.

In short, Life Orb for Lucario, and Lum berry for Haxorus

 

[Bruno Magno]

But with Life Orb, Lucario, Haxorus, and Volcarona's damage output goes way up. This means they need less time to setup before attempting to sweep. And don't forget, Lucario has access to three priority moves of its own.

Should i go Swords Dance + Close Combat + Ice Punch + Extremespeed? Wouldn't it be too slow to do anything?

I agree with Vega07 about Outrage+Lum Berry on Haxorus. If the opponent doesn't have their Steel type anymore, Haxorus will be doing massive damage to everything, and Lum cures confusion.

Outrage doesn't fit me at all, better using Dual Chop

In short, Life Orb for Lucario, and Lum berry for Haxorus

Ok for the LO on Lucario, as it takes 3% from the rocks. Going to edit the 1st post

 

[Bruno Magno]

I'm considering a defensive Celebi (Substitute + Leech Seed + Calm Mind + Psychic) over Latios, should i try it?

 

[Nibiria]

Subseed CM Celebi sounds like it could work, but doesn't really mesh well with hyperoffensive teams such as yours unless it's just a defensive pivot, imo. Could work, but it'd probably be better getting something with SubCM and Baton Pass (if such a thing exists) so that your sweepers don't need time to set up and can just switch in and wreck.

 

[GearFlow]

You should use CB or SD Terrakion over Lucario. Lucario just lacks the ability to sweep, and Terrakion can tear teams apart like they're nothing.

 

[Bruno Magno]

Subseed CM Celebi sounds like it could work, but doesn't really mesh well with hyperoffensive teams such as yours unless it's just a defensive pivot, imo. Could work, but it'd probably be better getting something with SubCM and Baton Pass (if such a thing exists) so that your sweepers don't need time to set up and can just switch in and wreck.

It's hard as shit to set some Calm Minds up, but once you get 2-3, the only thing can stop him are two very fast U-Turns in a row. SubCMBatonPass... Espeon?

You should use CB or SD Terrakion over Lucario. Lucario just lacks the ability to sweep, and Terrakion can tear teams apart like they're nothing.

Lucario doesn't lack any sweeping potential at all, and i don't want to use such standard pokes

 

[Bruno Magno]

After several battles, i did several changes to the team. The skeleton is still the same, with the team relying on Forretress + Volcarona + Haxorus, but i needed to take out Rhyperior and Lucario, very good sweepers but too situational, especially because Rhyperior is too slow even at +2, and Lucario can't score many 1HKO's. Dragon Dance Moxie Scrafty became a very important member due to the awesome coverage with Choice Scarf Gengar, and DD Gyarados puts the hurt on sand / sun teams after a single dance. I'm going to update the first post