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NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win
- Thread starter Ampharos
- Start date
2 things, not to defend Cereza/US in the slightest, but:
I think the 'offer' was UncleSam told Walrein he'd sign up if Walrein made that shameful post describing his masturbatory habits, not expecting Walrein would. Then when he did, US had to honor the 'bet' although who's to say US didn't request a certain role.
If you mean MP2, that was UncleSam offering me Samus. I told him I wanted to be a normal faction role so I didn't have to do much because I didn't want to join ANOTHER crappy Metroid game, and he assured me Samus was on a faction!!
herp derp cocksucker. some faction. So he gave me the strongest role itg which wasn't even what I wanted.
ANYWAY, wtf is up with Cereza's post above?? if it's some freakin weird role that kills the next person who votes/posts if you post some nonsense then truck you buddy.
I would be fine swapping to a Staraptor or US lynch. As I have said numerous times I find US suspicious, and I think he may have been trumpeting loudly early on, accusing as many people as he did, simply to make himself LOOK very village and constantly draw suspicion away from him by casting it onto others. I know US is just a very, very loud person, however, he definitely had made 2x or more accusations or cast suspicion on other people, than anyone else.
Cereza isn't really contributing much, beyond "I can't explain Sam's actions" and etc. Not much of a defense. I still don't fully trust Quagsires, BUT, better safe than sorry, and I never got particularly strong scumvibes from him.
Cereza please post something relevant to the game, like your thoughts on Quagsires, or something beyond you desperately want your cherry popped for some tragic reason.
Hello my fellow Eli Manning haters.
Lets start with Cereza, without reference to US's posts: I'm horribly surprised that a potential lynch target would not do ANYTHING to defend themselves at this time.
Next up: Quagsires. Grawr. I don't know whether or not to trust your alliance checker claim. But if he is, he is definitely going to be hooked/focused for the rest of the game before he dies. I struggling between choosing to lynch him or not because if he is village, then the mafia have to focus him or else give us valuable information. And this makes mafia have to target him with something instead of targeting others. But, if we move the lynch to someone else, what are the chances of them claiming ANOTHER power role, and thus revealing more and more of the village? Would we be better off just lynching quags because if we keep bouncing from person to person it wouldn't be that advantageous to us? It seems with his particular claim it would be better to hold on to him for a day and see what happens with him tomorrow, and move to focus on someone else that is seen as scummy.
Could Leethoof, Cereza, and Kingofkongs Give their opinion on what to do with the lynch for the day, given all the shenanigans that have happened so far?
Now for Staraptor Call. I am currently bouncing the fence with this guys posts. On one hand, he did address the idea of a scumpush on cereza, seeing as people were hopping on the bandwagon rather fast. However, while a lot of his posts seem to have good intentions, his logic always seems a little off. His post about Yeti's scumpush has good intentions, having people show their reasoning for a lynch should always happen. But his reasoning with her waiting to post until cereza wouldn't be able to properly respond is too much of a stretch for me. Along with this logic he had early in the thread:
Okay this post took me a surprisingly long time, seeing as i had to read a bunch of stuff. I know i didn't address everyone i said i would, but I thought i hit our three currently highest rated suspects. I need to go sadly, but please ASK ME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS! It'll make it easier for me to look back on specific posts to come to a conclusion faster than more general stuff like "who is the scummiest". I want to help the village the best I can, and I'm curious on how one minute someone with my role was seen as scummy and then the next i'm suddenly of no concern. What up?
I will cast a proper lynch vote tomorrow before deadline, but I'd like to see how the thread progresses from here to see who the best possible lynch target would be.
ugh
Lets start with Cereza, without reference to US's posts: I'm horribly surprised that a potential lynch target would not do ANYTHING to defend themselves at this time.
Stuff Cereza Said said:
You've had four days to make at least a small attempt at a reply. You are getting lynched for "something somebody else did" because, in a sense, THEY ARE YOU. I, as a sub myself, have to try and see what my predecessor was trying to say given that they are of the same alliance that i am (village) and answer any questions that would be posed at the person who i subbed for. Obviously US posted a lot lot more, so it'll be harder to dissect, but didn't you choose to sub in? The main accusation towards you is that US seemed scummy but was furthering discussion so it was good to keep him around for insight into his point of view. By seeing your flip, we get more insight into US's many tl;dr posts. You are neither furthering discussion nor giving us a reason NOT to lynch you, honestly. I remember reading a bold from aska saying that he asked you questions. Instead of trolling about billymills spelling your name wrong, why not answer him? Finger of "get the fuck active please". If Cereza isn't going to offer anything to the village, I'm perfectly fine with lynching him.Cherry Pie said:
Next up: Quagsires. Grawr. I don't know whether or not to trust your alliance checker claim. But if he is, he is definitely going to be hooked/focused for the rest of the game before he dies. I struggling between choosing to lynch him or not because if he is village, then the mafia have to focus him or else give us valuable information. And this makes mafia have to target him with something instead of targeting others. But, if we move the lynch to someone else, what are the chances of them claiming ANOTHER power role, and thus revealing more and more of the village? Would we be better off just lynching quags because if we keep bouncing from person to person it wouldn't be that advantageous to us? It seems with his particular claim it would be better to hold on to him for a day and see what happens with him tomorrow, and move to focus on someone else that is seen as scummy.
Could Leethoof, Cereza, and Kingofkongs Give their opinion on what to do with the lynch for the day, given all the shenanigans that have happened so far?
Now for Staraptor Call. I am currently bouncing the fence with this guys posts. On one hand, he did address the idea of a scumpush on cereza, seeing as people were hopping on the bandwagon rather fast. However, while a lot of his posts seem to have good intentions, his logic always seems a little off. His post about Yeti's scumpush has good intentions, having people show their reasoning for a lynch should always happen. But his reasoning with her waiting to post until cereza wouldn't be able to properly respond is too much of a stretch for me. Along with this logic he had early in the thread:
...is another example of this. I just don't see the logic he is trying to get at with this post, where if the announcer was mafia then US would be considered clean. This ALSO goes along with Staraptor Call's buddying of US, as he is never really addressing US's scumtells while pushing the scuminess of others. Perhaps we'll learn more about Staraptor if we lynch Cereza.Staraptor Call Me said:
Okay this post took me a surprisingly long time, seeing as i had to read a bunch of stuff. I know i didn't address everyone i said i would, but I thought i hit our three currently highest rated suspects. I need to go sadly, but please ASK ME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS! It'll make it easier for me to look back on specific posts to come to a conclusion faster than more general stuff like "who is the scummiest". I want to help the village the best I can, and I'm curious on how one minute someone with my role was seen as scummy and then the next i'm suddenly of no concern. What up?
I will cast a proper lynch vote tomorrow before deadline, but I'd like to see how the thread progresses from here to see who the best possible lynch target would be.
ugh
After sleeping on it, I am not loving this lynch as much as I thought I was...
If Quagsires is clean, and he's AC, we lose a lot. I understand Ditto's point earlier, but it was strange that he was the one to make it. That was the purpose of my earlier post.
I'm just worried that we're going to let slip a mafia who "claimed AC lolol" just get away for free. It's extremely reminiscent of Mafia Mafia 1 Mafia 2 (my only previous NOC experience), wherein Peru the mafia claimed watcher at the last moment before his lynch. I don't want to trust Quagsires because he claimed, since that could just as easily be a mafia tactic as the truth. But I also REALLY don't want to lynch the actual alliance checker, so I odn't know. His most recent post has seemed less scummy as well, so I'm having some real doubts.
For now I'm going to @@vote Staraptor Call@@. It may be too late to change today's lynch, but everyone seemed fine with a Staraptor Call lynch. Before Quagsires claimed, I considered the two of them pretty much equally scummy, and I fear that Quagsires might actually be alliance checker.
All of my earlier points against Quagsires still stand, but to lynch the alliance checker day 1 would be pretty terrible...
If Quagsires is clean, and he's AC, we lose a lot. I understand Ditto's point earlier, but it was strange that he was the one to make it. That was the purpose of my earlier post.
I'm just worried that we're going to let slip a mafia who "claimed AC lolol" just get away for free. It's extremely reminiscent of Mafia Mafia 1 Mafia 2 (my only previous NOC experience), wherein Peru the mafia claimed watcher at the last moment before his lynch. I don't want to trust Quagsires because he claimed, since that could just as easily be a mafia tactic as the truth. But I also REALLY don't want to lynch the actual alliance checker, so I odn't know. His most recent post has seemed less scummy as well, so I'm having some real doubts.
For now I'm going to @@vote Staraptor Call@@. It may be too late to change today's lynch, but everyone seemed fine with a Staraptor Call lynch. Before Quagsires claimed, I considered the two of them pretty much equally scummy, and I fear that Quagsires might actually be alliance checker.
All of my earlier points against Quagsires still stand, but to lynch the alliance checker day 1 would be pretty terrible...
Ok what needs to happen here is everyone posts with:
Saying they are staying on Quag
Changing to Cereza/US
Changing to Staraptor Call
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS
Finalize your vote and tell us why. This day is ending in some hours and if we don't want Quag dead we need another target.
Also where has Brammi been lately? Did he stealthsub?
Regardless, NOW is the time to determine your vote. While I am warier of a Quag lynch it cannot be denied he is suspicious. However I think we have two also-suspicious targets. Or at least in Cereza's case, a wealth of now-unfiltered accusations.
Saying they are staying on Quag
Changing to Cereza/US
Changing to Staraptor Call
WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS
Finalize your vote and tell us why. This day is ending in some hours and if we don't want Quag dead we need another target.
Also where has Brammi been lately? Did he stealthsub?
Regardless, NOW is the time to determine your vote. While I am warier of a Quag lynch it cannot be denied he is suspicious. However I think we have two also-suspicious targets. Or at least in Cereza's case, a wealth of now-unfiltered accusations.
@@Vote Staraptor Call@@
I had an overall positive read on SCall so far but nothing to make him surefire town at all. Some of the accusations itt are stronger than others and have made some sort of sense, and while I do not think this is an ideal target, it is better than Quagsires or Cereza.
Well, not going to lie, I was tempted to change to Cereza only for their uselessness, but then I re-read the thread to see the same kind of scummy wagon progression that made me dislike Quag's wagon and, as a result, SCall's wagon is arguably the most genuine.
Bleh, you slackers better be more active come D2.
I had an overall positive read on SCall so far but nothing to make him surefire town at all. Some of the accusations itt are stronger than others and have made some sort of sense, and while I do not think this is an ideal target, it is better than Quagsires or Cereza.
Well, not going to lie, I was tempted to change to Cereza only for their uselessness, but then I re-read the thread to see the same kind of scummy wagon progression that made me dislike Quag's wagon and, as a result, SCall's wagon is arguably the most genuine.
Bleh, you slackers better be more active come D2.
Not going to change because of MK's post is obvious role fishing. If Quags was honestly alliance checker he would have obviously posted more, especially recently.
I will say that if Quagsires does survive tonight, he should get off his ass and do something practical. If he targets another person who hasn't talked, apart from possibly MK, then I'd lynch him tomorrow.
At the moment, I would prefer Quagsires >= Zerace > Staraptor Call >= Ditto > kingofkongs = Mk ultra
I will say that if Quagsires does survive tonight, he should get off his ass and do something practical. If he targets another person who hasn't talked, apart from possibly MK, then I'd lynch him tomorrow.
At the moment, I would prefer Quagsires >= Zerace > Staraptor Call >= Ditto > kingofkongs = Mk ultra
Deadline should be in about 4 hours. We'd want to get at least two of these wagons close to majority before deadline so that, if SCall gets on and claims, we aren't stuck on his wagon. This is assuming he gets the most votes which actually seems pretty realistic seeing how people don't mind lynching either of them.
Unvote, @@Vote Ditto@@
After his apparent rage, he was content waiting about five days, while everyone dismissed him as certainly not scum. Conveniently, when people have moved onto other targets he comes back to propose some more. Surely I'm no the only person mildly curious about these developments, and I want him to give some sort of an explanation.
After his apparent rage, he was content waiting about five days, while everyone dismissed him as certainly not scum. Conveniently, when people have moved onto other targets he comes back to propose some more. Surely I'm no the only person mildly curious about these developments, and I want him to give some sort of an explanation.
Votecount:
Quagsires (6) - kingofkongs, Cereza, billymills, Snike, Paperblade, Dummy007
Cereza (3) - Leethoof, Yeti, Brammi
No Lynch (1) - wickdaggler
Blue_Tornado (1) - Crux
Dummy007 (1) - Kaxtar
Leethoof (1) - Jalmont
MK Ultra (1) - Quagsires
Ditto (1) - Rediamond
Staraptor Call (4) - zorbees, askaninjask, Blue_Tornado, MK Ultra
Yeti (1) - Staraptor Call
Deadline in about 2.5 hours!
Quagsires (6) - kingofkongs, Cereza, billymills, Snike, Paperblade, Dummy007
Cereza (3) - Leethoof, Yeti, Brammi
No Lynch (1) - wickdaggler
Blue_Tornado (1) - Crux
Dummy007 (1) - Kaxtar
Leethoof (1) - Jalmont
MK Ultra (1) - Quagsires
Ditto (1) - Rediamond
Staraptor Call (4) - zorbees, askaninjask, Blue_Tornado, MK Ultra
Yeti (1) - Staraptor Call
Deadline in about 2.5 hours!
i'm going to hit SCall because he's been quick to accuse others instead of defending himself. he may not be mafia, but i get a more "mafia" feel from him than i do from, say, quagsires.
sorry for not posting as of late, i'll do some more detailed reads eventually v_v
@@vote: staraptorcall@@
sorry for not posting as of late, i'll do some more detailed reads eventually v_v
@@vote: staraptorcall@@
Way to discredit the wagon in the most vague way possible.
You could say something like that about any wagon that pops up. If you want people to lynch Quagsires and not SCall, and if the counterwagon is 'weird' and is making you want to NOT lynch SCall, you'd want to convince others that it's weird. By, you know, explaining why it's weird. Throwing in that one-liner like you did can only serve to take us a few steps back.
You could say something like that about any wagon that pops up. If you want people to lynch Quagsires and not SCall, and if the counterwagon is 'weird' and is making you want to NOT lynch SCall, you'd want to convince others that it's weird. By, you know, explaining why it's weird. Throwing in that one-liner like you did can only serve to take us a few steps back.
It's pretty obvious that it's a stupid lynch. Apart from Aska's vote, we're now getting 3 users who have posted very little about the current lynch, and who have been adverse from the Quagsires lynch from the start now effectively stealthing Staraptor Call based on his incredibly weak claim.
Quagsires has posted shitall for days, comes in and makes 1 decent post but a terribly faulty claim, and then leaves again. Suddenly MK Ultra, Wickdagger, Rediamond, all show up and start voting other suspicious targets with almost no reasoning. Quagsires has remained active on IRC but still won't defend himself or his actions.
Quagsires has posted shitall for days, comes in and makes 1 decent post but a terribly faulty claim, and then leaves again. Suddenly MK Ultra, Wickdagger, Rediamond, all show up and start voting other suspicious targets with almost no reasoning. Quagsires has remained active on IRC but still won't defend himself or his actions.
The wagon is weird because Quagsires did nothing to explain his shifty behavior and inactivity other than "I'm AC" which as I (and others such as billy) pointed out is a common desperate fakeclaim to fish out the real one. Never mind that AC is easy as fuck to fake because mafia already knows basically everyone's alliance (I say basically because neutrals may or may not exist). I'm not saying that everyone who jumped off is scum, but from my experiences scum are quicker to give up on targets as to avoid drawing attention and this is a good excuse to switch off. Plus, as I stated earlier my primary suspicion of SCall is his weird buddying of Quag which only really makes SCall look bad if Quag is maf.
But for all I know scum are switching off the real AC (since they can just permahook him) to bus SCall to gain townie cred, and I'm going to look dumb in about 2 hours.
But for all I know scum are switching off the real AC (since they can just permahook him) to bus SCall to gain townie cred, and I'm going to look dumb in about 2 hours.
All I know is that I believe Quagsires' claim (not going to list all the reasons for town!quags again) and that the Cereza wagon is likely scum-motivated as well, so I'm voting something else. Another wagon means another huge potential for town to gain more info based on wagon connections. I honestly don't have an immense care (nor do I have time) to start arguing about wagons right now so even if you people flip Quagsires at least it'll pipe you down for next day. And, hey, if he's scum, it's all good.
@Unvote@
Some of it is simply not caring due to things just dragging on and on and making me just want this to end, since I didn't think people would continue to pressure like this (though I do agree, that was a mistake). I know I'm not the only one to complain about this, the thread size is getting ridiculous and its mostly just going in circles at this point, if anything suspicions are just staying the same and being restated over and over again. Not to mention I have other things I'd rather spend my time doing besides focusing on this game (although it is now thoroughly out of the way, besides a couple words on postgames).
However, I kinda wish to discuss it more, since Scall I do not believe to be a good lynch, yet I see no better option with so little time left. @@Vote:Staraptor Call@@. I see you only guilty of going with the flow and not being original or the brightest, nothing more. I would ask for an extension to see if he will claim or do anything, but I don't think it is possible to get it at this point. billy had a good point too, its failing due to the same reason Cereza still stands, because of bandwagoning by others who don't try to read the thread (kok, until you see where I quoted you, my point stands. And that wasn't the only time I addressed it).
MK, glad to see you! Now do a bit more and keep being active and sart contributing.
Aska, I didn't just mean that, I meant http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4094660&postcount=458as well (though I'm a bit biased since that is where you started voting me.) There's another post like that, but I can't find it atm (might be confusing it with 476, idk).
And my reasoning for random is I don't expect to be able to look at some of the bigger players and watch them live until I am able to reveal. At the same time, the smaller players don't give much info, besides a basic reassurance that despite inactivity (again, not enough for a scumlynch, I don't just take inactivity into account when I say these names, I take how much they do post as well). I just ended up using an rng since I didn't want to sort everyone out into my opinions of them, and I got Leethoof, who has played so little I thought he was a good rand, since I didn't know what he would do.
@@Vote Cereza@@
Quagsires has answered, and while I don't think it's really sufficient, it's something. Staraptor Call and Ditto are far less likely, (though still very likely) to be mafia if Quagsires is clean, but my reasoning on Cereza/Unclesam still stands.
Since the Quagsires lynch is probably not going to happen, I'm going to aim for the next highest target.
Quagsires has answered, and while I don't think it's really sufficient, it's something. Staraptor Call and Ditto are far less likely, (though still very likely) to be mafia if Quagsires is clean, but my reasoning on Cereza/Unclesam still stands.
Since the Quagsires lynch is probably not going to happen, I'm going to aim for the next highest target.
@Unvote@
@@Vote Cereza@@
Still not sure about this, but I'm more sure than Staraptor. His lack of posting I understand would be logical to assume not having a role if he is not village (though I am uncomfortable with the former bandwagon on him and I am guilty of the same), and he doesn't quite fill Unclesam's shows (though they are the size of a superpower). In addition, US had some odd actions that still aren't explained and I feel only some fall into his characteristic aggressiveness and pressuring (ie fishing the announcer, aggressively going against everyone and making his thoughts terribly unclear (though it is kinda hard for his sub to explain this.)
I will point out billy you can still lynch me if there is somehow a mayor somewhere that voted for me (doubtful, but possible).
@@Vote Cereza@@
Still not sure about this, but I'm more sure than Staraptor. His lack of posting I understand would be logical to assume not having a role if he is not village (though I am uncomfortable with the former bandwagon on him and I am guilty of the same), and he doesn't quite fill Unclesam's shows (though they are the size of a superpower). In addition, US had some odd actions that still aren't explained and I feel only some fall into his characteristic aggressiveness and pressuring (ie fishing the announcer, aggressively going against everyone and making his thoughts terribly unclear (though it is kinda hard for his sub to explain this.)
I will point out billy you can still lynch me if there is somehow a mayor somewhere that voted for me (doubtful, but possible).