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Northern Illinois University
- Thread starter Aldaron
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If only NIU weren't a GUN-FREE ZONE.
Guns are banned at NIU.
It seems though, that criminals don't respect the law. It seems the deranged don't remember the law at the time of their derangement.
The only thing the Gun Free Zone did was insure one more deranged maniac gets to shoot unarmed fish in a barrel.
I guarentee you if even one person in that room was armed, a lot of lives would have been saved. When a maniac comes in intent on killing spree, you blow the asshole away and question his motives later.
Of course, some people respond by demanding that everyone in the nation be disarmed by draconian gun control laws that take the ability to defend out of the hands of individuals and into the protection of the state.
Criminals will still smuggle guns in. Truly deranged people will still find a way to get them, or they'll go with some other weapon, an aluminum baseball bat, a machete, a golf glub, homemade explosives, whatever. And people will have to rely on a limited number of law enforcement officials to save them. And that's just fine for some people, who will ignore any time these incidents keep happening after they ban guns, because the cognitive dissonance is too great to bear.
All we can do at this point is pray for the families.
The second ammendment in the Constitution allows them to do that. The Right to Bear Arms. The ability to acquire a gun actually ususally depends on the state.
I heard that no one expected the gunman to do something like this. It is very unfortunate. So that is three major school shootings in recent history. I guess that is what America is coming to.
That's my point, and why only on schools?. Is not like "the mugglers will get the guns anyway", well these are not mugglers so crime is not the issue, these are students or regular people that get access to these guns and go crazy.
That's the problem to solve, to find a way they don't get access to these guns, or even better stop them from going crazy.
Easier said than done. The second ammendment allows them to get them. The gun laws vary from state to state, and who said he got it legally anyways?
I guess no one here has ever purchased a gun. You have to fill out a BUNCH of forms. Then, usually depending on what you said in the forms, there will be a waiting period of X days. Most of the time, it is two weeks, but say you have a fellon, then you have to wait like another week. In some states they will not even allow a fellon to purchase a gun.
That is the legal process. There is also a serial number on the gun to keep track of who owns it if it found. If it is bought illegally, the person selling it just wants their money.
That is the legal process. There is also a serial number on the gun to keep track of who owns it if it found. If it is bought illegally, the person selling it just wants their money.
The problem isn't that he got it in, it was that he had the gun in the first place.
Sucks, the amount of cases like this is ridiculous and at least in the information we receive down here I don't see anything being done about it.
I think it is more of a proposal to allow people with CCLs to actually have their guns in universities. It is currently illegal for people with a CCL to have their gun in most universities even though they can carry them into a church or pretty much anywhere else.
lol is this post for real
first you say guns being so easily accessible is a non-issue, then you say the problem would be solved if MORE people had guns, then you say that the only thing that you can do to attempt to fix the problem is pray? is this even WORTH refuting?
Nobody is saying anything about more people having guns. Just the people that have CCLs be allowed to have their guns in the school...
The problem with this whole thing is trying to stop it from happening a FOURTH time. We should console the families, but we cannot sit back and watch more people be slaughtered.
So these rare shootings that get so much press and take so few lives are a larger issue than the medical errors that cause so many deaths every year? Why doesn't that stuff get any press? Why aren't we all raging about ways to prevent doctors from fucking up so much?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php
i truncated that point to make it seem like it was less of a run-on sentence, i assumed it was implied that i was pointing out the absurdity of allowing more guns in school to help prevent school shootings
Why is it absurd to allow somebody with a CCL to have their gun in a college? They are allowed to carry it everywhere else. They have to go through a lot of testing before they are allowed to obtain a CCL. It isn't like it is just some random person with a gun.
speaking of absurdity, what the fuck does this have to do with anything? why aren't we talking about the fifty thousand children that die of starvation every day? oh right, because it's not the issue at hand (and because its something we refuse to concern ourselves with, of course)
We cannot be everywhere at once. We need to take care of what effects us at the moment. Right now, it is the high number of shootings. Who is to say it will not be worse next time? Who says the next person will not throw a pipe bomb into a crowd? We need to do all we can to prevent that.
To Glen: It has to do with everything. The media is always trying to bring up a silly gun issue when this stuff rarely ever happens. You never ever hear about all of the deaths that happen due to medical errors. I hear about starvation all the time though. That isn't something as easy to prevent. Medical errors are very very easy to prevent.
If you want to prevent starvation in the US you should find a way to stop people from having sex who cannot (either mentally or physically [with money]) support a child.
To blastoise: How in the world do you plan on stopping somebody from throwing a pipe bomb in a crowd? Seriously, you cannot stop this stuff. The best option is to allow people who are capable of defending themselves and others to do so.
If you want to prevent starvation in the US you should find a way to stop people from having sex who cannot (either mentally or physically [with money]) support a child.
To blastoise: How in the world do you plan on stopping somebody from throwing a pipe bomb in a crowd? Seriously, you cannot stop this stuff. The best option is to allow people who are capable of defending themselves and others to do so.
Well, you can prevent people like that from acquiring the materials needed to make a pipe bomb and you could help prevent them from losing it. Then, you could put much stricter security into public places. BTW has VA tech taught you nothing?
"So easily accessible?" Look Glen, if you're going to troll, try harder and don't put words into people's mouths.
Fact is to get a gun you have to pass a criminal background check.
Here, lets enlighten everyone on how "easily accessible" they are instead of yet another Starbucks wait-line worthy spew.
http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/ptfire.pdf
Illinois Gun Statutes said:
FOID card requirements:
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm
FOID requirements said:
Yes, so easily accessible. As long as you are over a certain age, have never committed a felony, and wait up to 30 days for the state of Illinois to approve your FOID, then wait 72 hours for your handgun.
That's just begging for criminals to come and pick up their easily accessible handguns.
One person in that room was armed... that is exactly the problem. None of those people would have needed to protect themselves if he couldn't get his hands on a gun in the first place.
And how in the world do you plan on preventing him from getting a gun? Banning guns? That sure did help in the UK. Also take a look at prohibition in the United States...that sure did work well! Criminal activity only skyrocketed in the US during that time! Banning these kinds of things NEVER works. It usually makes it worse. If somebody wants something, they will get it. Legality is not going to stop a person who wants to do something bad.