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Hello everyone! With 36 getting underway, we figured it was high time to also look into one of the most OP TLs this tier has ever seen: spoo!

After his promotion to TL back in the land of the dinosaurs, spoo has had nothing short of an oppressive presence throughout all of CAP. He was TL for Hemogoblin's process and has now wiggled his way onto being the movepool leader for the newest CAP. He also owns the PS! CAP room and has been observing everything from behind the shadows. That is until now...

As the sole TL of CAP, spoo has been the only voice of chaos when it comes to deciding what happens with CAP and its future (this is why we haven't revisited Voodoom to gice it Electric Surge or why Hemogoblin doesn't have a special set to abuse with Boomburst as well) and it is time for a coup to occur and bring spoo back down to the level the rest of us are at in the trenches.
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1. The CAP Metagame Council identifies a broken/unhealthy threat. Input from the metagame discussion thread, Discord, high-level tournament replays, etc. are ways the community can voice their concerns to the CAP Metagame council.

2. The CAP Metagame Council begins a thread. The OP, written by the CAP Metagame Council, summarizes why the Pokemon is broken. Metagame shifts, game mechanics changing, or OU bans can be potential points. The CAP Metagame council will also include a checks and counters list. Hard-counters to soft-checks, hazard damage, relative ability to switch-in, etc. should be considered. Keep in mind that with the broken Pokemon in the metagame, we can continue to understand why it is broken.

3. In the thread, the community discusses the simplest solution(s) to making the CAP not broken. Here, we can well-define a new list of checks and counters. Some solutions may be changing its ability to one that's similar but not as good, reducing its speed tier, removing some of its bulk or attack, or removing a certain move or two from its movepool. The community will play a huge role in identifying what solutions are available, but CAP Metagame Council will have the final say on what nerf is implemented. Keep in mind that the nerf(s) that is(are) implemented MUST preserve the identity of the CAP (i.e. Necturna uses Sketch, Pajantom uses its powerful trapping move, etc.).
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We're aiming for this Nerfing Process to last for approximately 24 hours.
 
I saw spoo at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
 
Let's take an in-depth look at the CAP metagame's impact of Spoo:

Spoo's stellar Ghost/Normal typing enables Spoo to have a solid offensive profile, with Ghost having minimal switch-ins, and that STAB combo being nearly unresisted, although Normal doesn't hit anything super effectively. Regardless, the Normal typing not only grants Spoo with a single weakness to Dark, allowing Spoo to pull more utility oriented sets with the help of Regenerator and Assault Vest, the capability to have STAB compression with Tera Blast means that Spoo can also almost easily play around checks like Ting-Lu, Kingambit and Garganacl with Tera Blast Fighting.

Now, one may ask, if Spoo is so good, why isn't Spoo being banned like the Clefable incident in SwSh CAP? The answers lie on the following:

- With a mere base 95 SpA, even while complemented by Chicken Dance by being grandfathered in a custom move, checks like Arghonaut, Equilibra, Clefable, and Shox still comfortably come into it.
- As Spoo has base 110 Speed, while Spoo may outspeed the entire unboosted metagame after a boost, Spoo's poor physical bulk keeps Spoo prone to being revenge killed by foes like Bullet Punch Kitsunoh, Extreme Speed Hemogoblin, and Scarf Roaring Moon.

If action is really required for Spoo, the simplest answer would be removing Chicken Dance, but that may be controversial as it has been a part of Spoo's kit since several generations. Lowering Spoo's Speed to around 75 so Spoo is unable to outspeed foes like Dragapult even after a boost is also an option.
 
Hello everynyan! Lasen here! You may remember me as the Stats TL from Venomicon and the SS Pyroak buff. You may also remember me from winning CAPCL this year with the Kookoo Quesos or consistently making circuit playoffs.

Let's start from the top: What does spoo do?
Truthfully not muchHe's the current SOLO CAP leader and perpetually mildly both annoying and annoyed in the VR chat. Despite joining smogon's roster all the way back in 2014, chaos decided to gift him a modest stat total of 505 to mirror his adult height and a Normal / Steel typing, leaving him vulnerable to all entry hazards and with a 4x weakness to fighting; at the time this doomed him to be CAP RU at best. So, what's changed? Well, for one, the metagame in SS equipped him with a brand new Ability in Pointy Yellow Hat, a signature ability that grants an immunity to 4x super-effective attacks. This, combined with the already excellent defensive properties of Steel and the abundance of strong Ghost-types in SS made him a force to be reckoned with both offensively and defensively. His 2022 trip to Germany also boosted his alcohol tolerance, making the typical check of dumping copious amounts of alcohol to make him fall asleep (something that turns his Ability offline) rather difficult.
So, how do nerf this white devil while retaining his identity as a TL?
I think we need to take what is initially gonna look like a drastic measure but I'm gonna suggest a removal of his heterosexuality by replacing his Normal typing with Fairy.
Spoo has always been a fruity individual, and the removal of his normalcy will not only make him effectively Ability-less, much like something like Keldeo, but retains a strong defensive typing in Fairy / Steel. I think the BST is perfect as is and losing STAB on Boomburst (read: him typing "BAHAHAHA" to signal amusement) may suck, but the gen 9 updates gave him access to Fleur Cannon which he already utilizes from time to time to badge 10 users at once, giving them the flowers they deserve. It also retains his Steel typing so he can remain thick-skinned when people blame him for a process going wrong or when his friends call him a disgusting matchup fisher for loading Lum Berry Caribolt.

This also means I get to implement spoo in my polycule but that's besides the point.

TL;DR

-Normal
+Fairy

Thanks for coming to my SpooTalk
 
Proposing that we move spoo to the National Dex metagame in place of sealoo. This is an exchange that I believe benefits both sides. National Dex has been far too bigoted and straight (/neg) of a community for far too long, while CAP needs an injection of strictly heterosexual LARP.

The National Dex community can throw in seth as well, as CAP is a meta with Tera and our good friend Harry Buxoplenty is… not very good without it, but as compensation NatDex can receive D2TheW, who brings many of the same traits to the table as Seth, but is unfortunately washed in Tera meta.

Final offer:
NDX receives [Spoo], [Death2theWest]
CAP receives [Sealoo], [Seth]
 
These nerf proposals have got to be a joke. At first, I thought that its better to stay silent and let it pass, but on reconsidering it, I think it sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
One look at the posts on this thread, and anyone that has been keeping up with CAP in recent times will tell you that something is off.
First, we really need to make it clear what is at steak here:
kenn said:
As the sole TL of CAP, spoo has been the only voice of chaos when it comes to deciding what happens with CAP and its future
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As the OP outlines, spoo has consistently been an agent working for the interests of the smogon aristocracy. As the sole TL of CAP, his dominance has severely undermined our independance right under the nose of DougJustDoug. Our nerf has got to be big enough to allow others to rise up and oppose him.

Now to look at what I think makes spoo truly overpowered:
Bobsican said:
Let's take an in-depth look at the CAP metagame's impact of Spoo:

Spoo's Stellar Ghost/Normal typing enables Spoo to [...] hit anything super effectively.
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Clearly this was a major mistake by the community, undoubtably made during a cozy winter night after a few too many beers. To make his scathing attacks easier to handle, I believe it is finally time to remove the Stellar type from spoo. Some will try to argue that triple typing was the entire point of spoo's process, but I do not see any other option at this moment in time. I hope you will consider this proposal and I applaud the urgency with which this situation is being dealt with.
 
I walked up to spoo and saw him harassing Da Pizza Man in a Floridian grocery shop. I then begged spoo for his autograph. Little does spoo know, his autograph signed a document that was microprinted with the following condition:

1. On the day April 1st, 2025, spoo will resign from any and all positions of power that he holds.

I now call upon spoo to resign his positions at once to follow the terms of the contract and to avoid litigation on my end. Please do realize that I do not wish to litigate, but it is simply due to the terms of my contract. Thank you.
 
spoo is one of the goats, and I don't think the CAP nor smogon or wcop midwest communities would be the same without him, he's a funny presence, and hard worker. as such, if push comes to shove I am willing to get permabanned from SV CAP in spoo's Stead. i will not be paying out any spoobucks, however.

tagging kenn to implement.
 
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Okay so the council of me has come to an agreement. I will be taking a page from Lasen's book, but instead of going the typing change route we have instead decided on, after discussing it with the many voices inside my head, removing his signature ability Pointy Yellow Hat and the nerf shall hopefully allow others to be able to rein in the chaos he brings as sole TL of the CAP Project. In the meantime, I will gain the Pointy Yellow Hat ability instead for an unforeseen amount of time. Thank you for helping nerf this OP TL and hopefully this will teach us all a lesson that we need to be more vigilant when appointing TLs.

Final Results:
-Yellow Pointy Hat
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