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np: UU - A New Beginning

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For Shaymin Max Speed/SAtk, my favourite set is the Specs set because you can 2HKO Blissey.

And the best way to kill Spiritomb is in fact: Brute Force.

Ill suggest Blaziken for SPiritombs, its immune to WoW, and takes nothing from Dark Pulse.
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Max Speed and SAtk, got it. I'm not too fond of Specs, though; I like being able to switch attacks. Even if I run Trick, I'm always tempted to Trick them off ASAP.

That stinks about Spiritomb, but I can't really say I'm surprised... I suppose if Spiritomb really becomes I huge problem, I can try out Blaziken; the SubSalac set seems particularly attractive.
 
Lickilicky: 110 / 85 / 95 / 80 / 95 / 50
Munchlax: 135 / 85 / 40 / 40 / 85 / 5

Meh, I just don't see it. Especially since even lickilicky doesn't get any use in UU.
 
No way a pokemon barely ever seen in UU is going to BL . . .

well, unless that changes of course. I'd say give curse licki a try and tell us how it goes.
 
The biggest issue with ALL normal pokemon is the Fighters running rampant in the tier with their 120 BP moves and minumum base 120 Attack. Clefable gets use for obvious reaons, while so does chansey. But Miltank use is in serious decline, and same with alot of Dark and others.


To counter Spiritomb, btw, a choiced or LO Hard hitting attack almost always 2HKOs. The sub-salac set for blaziken doesnt do this but it can set up on spiritomb assuming it doesnt have shadow sneak.
 
I really doubt Munchlax will be very good in UU, because its stats aren't that good. Especially with things like Raikou, Shaymin and Registeel running around.

When we have pure Normals like Ambipom, Clefable, Chansey, Linoone, Lickilicky, Regigigas, Slaking, Smeargle, Tauros and Ursaring that we can use, Munchlax seems like a bit of a waste to be honest. Maybe in NU, when all those listed above probably won't be there.
 
Miltank does the best job at taking unboosted fighting attacks. If you want sturdy physical wall, I suggest using Miltank. Miltank has something most normal walls don't have is 100 base speed. Milk Drink is an awesome move also. It's abilities are good also, Scrappy and Thick Fat gives you different options to play with.
 
Because it is an annoying little piece of shit that deserves to burn in hell.

I think I'll go be a dick and use Smeargle now :D
 
Then use SCARF-smeargle . . . :P

Smeargle
Jolly
252 spd. 252 atk 4 hp
@Choice Scarf
-Spore
-Explosion
-Trick / Other Stuff
-SR / Spikes / Other Stuff

:P Screws over trick-leads as well.
 
I'd be inclined to say Staraptor, Spiritomb, Slowbro, Milotic, Gallade and Shaymin will be right up there, possibly in the top 10. Crobat I think will be #1 lead, followed closely by Froslass. It would be interesting to see if the equation for making the OU list was applied to the UU stats, what the number of pokemon in the UU 'OU' would be. Judging from the massive variety I've seen in my experiences in the tier I'd be willing to say 50+.
 
How about instead of "OU" of UU we call them "Standard." Obviously, we need better terminology. I suggest we make those on X-Act's usage list referred to as "Standard," regardless of what tier we are discussing.

Technically speaking though, those that make the usage list-- should I say, "only those that make the usage list"-- will be "UU."

All those whose Usage is not up to par will become the new NU-- until play at NU creates a new ban tier.
 
i have a feeling pokemon such as riaku and shaymin are going back up to BL. i mean i think UU should stay with not so great pokemon that arent good enuf to be in OU or even BL. if most of the BL pokemon get banished to UU then what do we do with the current UU pokemon, they become completly usless and then UU becomes just like OU youl have to have a counter for everything.
 
What the heck do you mean by "current UU pokemon"?

Raikou and Shaymin are current UU pokemon. Furthermore, unless they prove to be truly broken, they will remain there.

Those to weak too make it in UU can go fight it out in NU.

Interestingly enough, considering that the defensive/support super-powers of old-UU: Steelix, Froslas, claydol, clefable, etc. are still seen a lot, I'd guess that NU would (thankfully) be a lot more offensive than old-uu. I'd say that a lot of old-UU's best sweepers like Swellow, Hitmonlee, Primape and Altaria actually have a good chance of getting down to NU. Heck, even Absol might make it down to NU.

Thank God, as Old-UU was a boring stall-circle-jerk.
 
PCMthepokemaster said:
i have a feeling pokemon such as riaku and shaymin are going back up to BL. i mean i think UU should stay with not so great pokemon that arent good enuf to be in OU or even BL. if most of the BL pokemon get banished to UU then what do we do with the current UU pokemon, they become completly usless and then UU becomes just like OU youl have to have a counter for everything.
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That is the mindset of old UU, please do not think of it in that way. We have to give a fair chance to all the pokes, which is why we have such a long testing period. If Raikou and Shaymin go to BL, fine, but it has to be proven that they are broken.

Also, it shouldn't become like OU: UU is actually extremely diverse and balanced. Not like OU where you see only Scizor/Mence/Heatran/TTar. Even though Staraptor and Gallade turn up all over the place, you see pokes like Sharpedo and Cloyster. I personally like UU more than OU, everyhting balances out(well, almost everything - I think Raikou is a dick)
 
Erazor said:
That is the mindset of old UU, please do not think of it in that way. We have to give a fair chance to all the pokes, which is why we have such a long testing period. If Raikou and Shaymin go to BL, fine, but it has to be proven that they are broken.

Also, it shouldn't become like OU: UU is actually extremely diverse and balanced. Not like OU where you see only Scizor/Mence/Heatran/TTar. Even though Staraptor and Gallade turn up all over the place, you see pokes like Sharpedo and Cloyster. I personally like UU more than OU, everyhting balances out(well, almost everything - I think Raikou is a dick)
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i understand, but idk it just seems that by adding such powerful pokemon to the UU list makes alot of the pokemon there uterly usless. now that there are so many good pokemon added to UU the ones that stink now have no shot at all...thats just my opinion though hopfully the list turns out ok. i agree with you i prefer UU simply because i can use pokemon i like that still have a chance rather then pokemon with amazing stats and would otherwise destroy them into a pile of dust.
 
I agree with most everything Erazor said.

I'd just like to point out though that UU will probably not always be this diverse. People are still trying out stuff, and only time will tell which pokes will rise to the top. While I have seen pokemon like Sharpedo or Cloyster, I can't say I was at all impressed by their performance.

@PCM-- again, like I said, NU could come into existance as soon as next month. Even if we didn't have a ladder or the full attention of shoddy administration, as soon as X-Act releases the UU Standard List, the NU list will also immediately come into existance-- whatever is not on the list will be NU.

If you want to play with even weaker pokes, NU will be an option.
 
On the subject of balance in the new UU, I've noticed that there seems to be a very good level of type balance in the metagame. The only type that's unheard of is Dragon, but that's just because Altaria is the only one even allowed. Otherwise, pretty much all the types have representation.

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PCMthepokemaster said:
i understand, but idk it just seems that by adding such powerful pokemon to the UU list makes alot of the pokemon there uterly usless. now that there are so many good pokemon added to UU the ones that stink now have no shot at all...thats just my opinion though hopfully the list turns out ok. i agree with you i prefer UU simply because i can use pokemon i like that still have a chance rather then pokemon with amazing stats and would otherwise destroy them into a pile of dust.
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Yes, many of the old UU pokemon aren't as used in the new UU. On the other hand, Clefable, Steelix, Claydol, Frosslass, and Hitmontop, the old UU staples, have all managed to find their place in new UU, and those that can't will have NU. As far as Pokemon you like, well, a lot of people like old BL Pokemon, too.
 
petrie911 said:
On the subject of balance in the new UU, I've noticed that there seems to be a very good level of type balance in the metagame. The only type that's unheard of is Dragon, but that's just because Altaria is the only one even allowed. Otherwise, pretty much all the types have representation.

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Yes, many of the old UU pokemon aren't as used in the new UU. On the other hand, Clefable, Steelix, Claydol, Frosslass, and Hitmontop, the old UU staples, have all managed to find their place in new UU, and those that can't will have NU. As far as Pokemon you like, well, a lot of people like old BL Pokemon, too.
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yea i know, its just nobody plays NU, but o well, hopfully the list turns out fine i just saw more balance on the old one thats all
 
Perhaps we can accredit that balance to the fact that OU exists. OU weeds out pokemon based on typing alone, for instance SR-weak fire and ice types. However, because of that these pokemon end up being some of the strongest in UU.

Exp:

Steel Typing: Is really awesome! Defensively speaking it's mind-boggling how great Steel is.

Ice: Really suffers from lack of resistances and SR weak. Only benefit is STAB on ice beam, which does not out-weigh the weaknesses.

result:

Top Tier Steel Types--> All go to OU

Top Tier Ice Types--> Are in UU (Save Mamoswine and Weavile, lol)

Therefore, one could say that pokemon of bad typing are potentially the best stat/move-pool--wise in UU.
 
That definately stands for the Legendaries like Articuno, Moltres, and Regice, but im not sure about the others. Most of them are just outclassed in OU(E.G. Blaziken is outclassed by Infernape, and Feraligatr is outclassed by Gyarados, but most of all Shaymin-S outclassed Shaymin). There are pokemon that completely render the top tier uu pokemon useless in OU, like Tyranitar/Hippo for Hail teams. Or even Salamence/Gyarados for Gallade(who is also outclassed by Lucario).
 
I cannot be arsed to play UU, people are treating the ladder like the test is over. Newsflash - it's not. The amount of centralization is disgusting, it seems everybody is using cookie cutter offensive teams when we should all be testing new mons!

I'd like to say thanks to #biuret and #newuu who have been working hard to try out new mons!

Cacturne is still awesome. And once you remove your opponent's Fighting Mon, Aggron can deal some damage too. Scarf/Rock Polish Rampardos, anyone?
 
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