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np: UU - A New Beginning
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Just go with the standard but with Careful over Impish and 252 SDef instead of 252 Def- that is, 76 HP / 180 Atk / 252 SpD Careful, possibly with a more offensive moveset like Cross Chop / Stone Edge / Ice Punch / Payback.
One thing I would like to say in the defense of Snover/Hippopatas-- we all know that even at 1hp, having a pokemon on a team can be the difference between life and death. I do not think there is a player here who has not "saved for death fodder" given the chance. That death fodder is even more useful when it has a useful ability that activates as soon as it switches in.
QFT. This way, Hail and Sandstorm teams have only a slight advantage over Rain Dance and Sunny Day teams, and it's not like those aren't already viable in UU (well, Rain Dance teams certainly are).
Rain Dance teams are sooo hard to handle. You really need something like Trace Gardevoir to handle them effectively. Golduck sucks too. Perhaps Venasaur is good.
Unfortunately that doesn't yet work properly due to a bug on Shoddy. I learned the hard way. It's annoying because Gardevoir should be able to get some comfortable sweeps against many common rain teams with a simple Psychic / Thunderbolt / Signal Beam / Focus Blast moveset.
There are quite a few pokemon in UU that can stop a rain team: Lanturn, Regice, Lapras, Mantine, Chansey, Toxicroak, Quagsire, Shedinja, and Poliwrath to name a few. Granted they may not be the most common of pokemon, but if you find yourself being mercilessly slaughtered by rain teams repeatedly then you might want to consider replacing that Gallade with a Toxicroak.
Crobat leads with rain are a bit annoying, I admit, but the majority of balanced teams with decent type synergy should be able to stall out the rain, then retaliate.
Crobat leads with rain are a bit annoying, I admit, but the majority of balanced teams with decent type synergy should be able to stall out the rain, then retaliate.
Rain Dance teams are only good because of he overwhelming sweepers. RegiChansey will usually stop them and stock their spree. Play around with the switches and you'll waste rain dance time.
Wait your saying the Registeel and Chansey is an effective walling combination? I'm not quite sure how that works...
I think the problem is that while some of them (like Chansey) can take on some rain attackers, but can't against the physical ones. Something like Toxicroak is probably too frail, and other pokemon (like Quagsire) lose to Ludicolo. Then again, having at least one water absorber means that you can try to do lots of switching. I can usually stall out 2 bouts of rain, but the third usually kills me.
Sheddy is an interesting idea though.
Well, Chansey takes the least damage from special attacks, on average, of any Pokemon in UU, by quite a margin too.
Registeel, I'm not too sure about. It's just a general good Pokemon defensively. I think Weezing works better than Registeel with Chansey personally.
I take it this is addressed at RegiChansey, not Weezing+Chansey.
I didn't mean Chansey and Registeel generally as two walls. It could be a stall team I'm referring to. But those 2 pokemon generally stops the rain dance sweepers. Close Combat Staraptor is nothing against 252 HP / 252 Def Registeel, CB versions could be a problem but you could cripple it before it kills you. Weezing is a good choice also but Focus Punch Ludicolo comes at times.
I hope that's what he's aiming that statement at anyways, as my choice to use Weezing with Chansey is to do with the fact that Weezing resists Chansey's greatest weakness.
Weezing and Chansey also brings back the nostalgia of the WeezBliss/ForryBliss/SkarmBliss arguements we used to have in Advance. XD
Talking about nostalgia, we can have the Rhydon/Golem debate with this UU too. I think, like in RBY, GSC and Advance, Rhydon is still better than Golem. Not that either of them should really be used here to be honest.
Weezing and Chansey also brings back the nostalgia of the WeezBliss/ForryBliss/SkarmBliss arguements we used to have in Advance. XD
Talking about nostalgia, we can have the Rhydon/Golem debate with this UU too. I think, like in RBY, GSC and Advance, Rhydon is still better than Golem. Not that either of them should really be used here to be honest.
After LN's warstory was posted, I started using CB Rhydon, and I'm impressed with the results. All it really needs is Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn to tear shit up, and then a filler move (I use Stealth Rock for early-game scouting). Bring it in on supporters like Chansey or Registeel, or on Pokemon it walls like Crobat or Choice Staraptor (locked into Return/Brave Bird), and it really can put pressure on the opponent.
ClefaWeez is not comparable to SkarmBliss. That combo alone gets destroyed by SD Absol. Infernape at times can't break a SkarmBliss, which is it's number one counter. I think Cleftom combo does a nice job walling the majority of UU not named Absol.
I was just responding to the continuously asserted statement that "Using Hippopatas is like starting the battle 5 v. 6" that is blatantly not true, taking into account the point I made about death fodder. Considering how many suicide leads there are out there, I would say that even more so hippopatas/snover are far from pointless, especially since the enemy team is much more likely to carry a rapid spinner than a random weather generator, and that hail/sand can definitely affect the game as much or more than something like stealth rock.
Hammer Arm makes a good filler move for OHKOing most Clefable.
Caelum, you have to admit Snover at least fits the Defination of the Support Characteristic for Uber(in this case BL). It does in fact make these pokemon broken for a battle.
If I think I see where your coming from.. wouldn't support characteristics stretch out to all weather teams?
Considering I don't think Abomasnow is broken, I think my belief about Snover should be obvious.
Man, I really wish Nidoking's stats were just a bit better. His moveset is crazy, he can do so many things with that insane movepool.
Um, there are lots of conditions that make pokemon "broken for battle"
Trick Room (Marowak, Camerupt, Rampardos, Ursaring, Cacturne, etc.)
Rain Dance (Qwilfish, Relicanth, Kabutops, Floatzel, Ludicolo, etc.)
Sunny Day (Tanengrowth, Typhlosion, Charizard, Sunflora if in TR, etc.)
Sandstorm (Cacturne, Relicanth, Regirock, Cradily, etc.)
Hail doesn't make pokemon any more "uber" than these in my opinon. And as said, it is hard to beat a team with only 5 useful pokemon, and 1 close to useless one. So Snover isn't really broken.
Abomanasnow on the other hand can sweep rather easily, so that is up for debate.
Key word is "consistently." Electrode can set up Rain Dance almost 100% of the time at the beginning of the match, but in doing so, it's likely to have had a good chunk of health taken out of it (not to mention it most likely will Explode). All Snover/Hippopotas has to do is switch in when one of their teammates dies to set up the weather. Not to mention it's usually permanent.
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