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That's why you're supposed to have them covered when building a team around it.

I can see what you're saying about Chansey, but it's a stalemate if you don't have HP Fighting.

Registeel beats it either way. I just prefer being able to go on the offensive from the start without having to worry about Chansey or anything else getting in my way. Mismagius without any boosts is just too weak, and just about any physical attack is breaking its substitute (same for special attacks before a CM).
 
MetaGross66 said:
Still, people need to realize Haunter's potential. It's been a key partner for Mismagius on the team I'm using now luring out those sucker punch users and sleeping them like it doesn't even care.
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I was definitely surprised at Haunters abilities recently being beat by one late game with Hypnosis. It would be a better attacker than Mismagius honestly if it had Nasty Plot, since it's considerably more powerful and Missy doesnt outspeed anything major that it doesnt. I kind of want to try it out on an offensive team after typing this...
 
Chansey will eventually get critted or para'd by Tbolt and having your sweep stopped cold by something like Absol to use Hitmontop is not the kind of thing you really want to happen, and makes Mismagius a much less effective sweeper. Finally, the coverage attained by 3 moves isn't nearly as useful as losing what's probably the best scouting move and that allows it to setup on something that cannot hit it at all (choiced fighters) and survive as your opponent goes to something faster and breaks your sub, instead of having to rely on prediction and nailing it on the switch.
 
That's why you're supposed to have them covered when building a team around it.
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Did you not pay attention to that. -_-

It's really simple to lure out those Sucker Punch users and cripple them. For example, I'm using Haunter now, and the fact it's seen nearly nowhere on the ladder will leave the opponent second guessing what it will do once it's out there (though a look at its movepool and stats should tell you enough). Hypnosis will usually come as a surprise to most people. Explosion rids you of Chansey on the spot, and as most people would think, it is totally unexpected (not anymore now that several of you guys are probably reading this...).

That team slot lets you run a far more offensive set on Mismagius allowing it to reach its full offensive potential with NP and LO boosts kicking up its other moves' power. And it's really hard to say it isn't that dangerous after an NP because it is with those coverage moves granting it neutral power on everything.

Edit: as for your scenario, it's obvious the opponent's going to switch so if you know the team good enough (I'm using a trickscarf Mesprit to scout early), then by all means go ahead and NP. Otherwise, you can go for a double switch or nail something with a Shadow Ball. Like I said, Mismagius is too weak without a boost and Haunter makes the scouting job way easier thanks to the fact they have similar counters.
 
Well, I am a fan of tauntCM/NP missy. She shuts down stall and to a certain extent, rain. I never really liked sub missy for the simple fact that she loses hp after subbing most likely just to scout. She rarely sweeps nowadays or at least my teams anyway. Taunt works much better than sub imo, but I guess preference changes with the circumstance.
 
I use Taunt on NP Missy as well.

You can build a team around anything and have it be successful. I can have a team built around DD Lapras and sweep teams after all its counters are weak or dead.

But that still doesn't make the LO + 3 attacks set superior or even equal to SubNP.

Edit:Not to mention you're using Haunter with Mismagius. I hope you have a nice dark/ghost resist. <_<
 
Man, i don't have any patience to make new teams anymore...

Anyway: i see that Mismagius is rising on usage. Is this the time for Pursuit users?
And Rest Spiritomb + Aromatherapy Chansey + Haze Milotic is getting hard to break up (at least for me and my old teams).
 
Yeah Raikou leaving makes Missy the best boosting special sweeper in the tier, so start packing spiritomb/skunktank/drapion (never use Absol to counter missy, it fails horribly).
 
Conflict said:
Didnt i make this clear enough? My bad, i'll try to explain it better:
If you can forego Rotom advantages over Missy you should use Missy - most likely stall teams who have much better answers to the mentioned threats.

And why would you switch a ghost into Moltres, when you can just send out your Bulky Water/Chansey/*insertMoltresCounterhere*?
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Who cares? We are talking about replacements for Froslass, who was the best Spin blocker for offensive teams because it set up Spikes as well, not because of its defenses (lol) or typing (lol).

Conflict] I also thought we didnt speak about the ability to revenge-kill certain threats said:
Yeah Raikou leaving makes Missy the best boosting special sweeper in the tier, so start packing spiritomb/skunktank/drapion (never use Absol to counter missy, it fails horribly).
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Swellow has always worked well for me, as well as Scarf Absol. I send it into their Substitute which I promptly destroy as they Thunderbolt me then I OHKO them with Pursuit. With Swellow it is a little more difficult against Substitute variants but whatever it works.
 
I already considered Scarf Rampardos as a Pursuiter since it's one of the only Scarfers with Pursuit that doesn't get completely screwed by Weezing ... but oh well, Rampardos sucks (or at least it's hard to make it effective).


Anyway: yeah, ghosts aren't solely for spin block: they serve, for example, as good fighting counters, or good cripplers.
As the preference on one or another: it mostly comes down to typing, and what this poke has to offer.
 
have you tried houndoom in that case m blade

mixed + pursuit @ life orb is a nifty set and i'm sure pursuit is workable on a scarf set as well
 
okay, so at first, I said I would love this metagmae, but now it has just turned into keeping your rocks down and spinning the opponets away so moltres can sweep...and when you have a suicide lead and no ghost on your team, and a horrible moltres weakness that can only be solved by an offensive milotic that gets Ko'ed by hp:grass after spikes and stealth rock, or using light screen on venasaur as moltres switchis in so my moltres can beat it, yet I still got to the leaderboard, yeah...
tl;dr version: this metagame is extremely precise yet very crazy. It appears very stallish, but anything can sweep at a moment's notice. When you think you know the rules, they change completely and your left lying in the bloody dirt, a ring of moltreses fire around you and the flag of soviet russia through your skull
P.S. I just started the WW1 section of my history textbook...does it affect my writing?
 
P.S. I just started the WW1 section of my history textbook...does it affect my writing?
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No, the grammar is terrible as usual (jk, although it's pretty bad).

Anyway, Skuntank is a really fun Pokemon to use. Just Crunch/Pursuit/Sucker Punch/Explosion @ Life Orb is good enough to do what it does. You can see why it is the number 1 used Poke in NU.
 
I've found that SR is actually fairly rare in the Ladder lately. My anti-lead Nidoking is getting killed on the first turn a lot now, where he used to be taunting. I've been able to run my team, half of which is weak to SR, without a spinner to great success.
 
I have to say that at the moment, a big part of why I'm even running a spinner is because I can nickname them OMG IT SPINS!

With spikes being more of a non-issue, the only problem that remains for me is breaking Milotic/Registeel/Chansey.

Edit: Brainwave. Will test and report.
 
I've been playing almost no UU lately. It's really boring without any suspects to abuse.

I'm probably not going to play seriously at all until another OU comes down. Besides Umbreon, of course. But I'm glad we finally have a stable metagame where you can use whatever you want without being penalized by the obviously broken Pokemon storming the tier. I might actually venture into some of the more intriguing NUs at this rate.
 
Anyone want to guess the odds of "No Suspects" in the nominations thread at the end of the round?? Or will people nominate Moltres and Duggy again (Maybe Kabutops??)
 
I hope that Moltres doesn't get put up for suspects, it just wont survive in OU/BL where in UU it actually gets used, its not too hard to counter but it does annihilate many pokemon very easily. Duggy isn't broken and Kabutops is pretty ridiculous in the rain but it is beatable.
 
I have to say, the removal of Froslass feels like it's completely cleaned up the tier. Leads aren't as centralised, which is making for some more open-minded teams. Ambipom appears to be even more popular, which may be because his Fake Out actually works now, or because his presence isn't diluted by Foslass being equally popular.

Slowking is popping up a lot too, which is pretty king-ky.
 
Yep I'm glad froslass is gone but due to it's absence most players are using omastar,cloyster and even qwilfish rushing to lay down those invaluable layers of spikes and teams are starting to move to the offensive which pisses me of but hey, you just gotta adapt. Hopefully the rise in ambipom leads will scare them off.
 
I don't get the rise in Ambipom leads at all. It was only effective at dealing with Froslass leads, and now she's gone and it gets more popular? I'll just continue abusing their predictability.

But seriously, everyone expects Fake Out NubPom that it's too easy to get a Nasty Plot and Pass it to a sweeper. Not to mention OHKOing Ryperior with Water Pulse after the NP boost is just too fun to pass up.
 
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