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What EVs do people use on RestTalk Milo anyway?
If you guys have difficulties with Milotic I simply suggest you run a powerful electric type. Non of the Eletric type have the bulk to repeatedly switch into Milotic, so I recommend using Ampharos.
It's already been said that it's to slow, but it deals with Milotic the best if you've invested some bulk. T-bolt always 2HKO's restalk varients.
Other recommendations: Running pretty any varient of Toxicroak is a good idea. Ice beam doesn't do enough and it's not worth giving Toxicroak a free turn of setup.
It's already been said that it's to slow, but it deals with Milotic the best if you've invested some bulk. T-bolt always 2HKO's restalk varients.
Other recommendations: Running pretty any varient of Toxicroak is a good idea. Ice beam doesn't do enough and it's not worth giving Toxicroak a free turn of setup.
Yeah Milo is breakfast for Toxicroak, nuff said. If it has Ice Beam, free setup for my SubPunch Azumarill.
Slowking is proving to be much more of a pain. Toxicroak can't do shit thanks to Psychic, and switching in is a huge risk due to Thunder Wave. I'd switch in a Ground type, but guess what? STAB Surf.
Slowking is proving to be much more of a pain. Toxicroak can't do shit thanks to Psychic, and switching in is a huge risk due to Thunder Wave. I'd switch in a Ground type, but guess what? STAB Surf.
I figure Torterra makes a good switch in. Your immune to T-wave and Surf doesn't do to much. Torterra can retaliate with STAB Wood Hammer, something that will surely cripple you.
True, but Torterra's just one Pokemon. I'm just saying it's a bit difficult to reliably switch in to Slowking. But yeah, Torterra's pretty much a full stop to it...unless it's carrying a little surprise in the form of Ice Beam. Do you think Psychic/Ice Beam as the two attacking moves could work? You do get completely walled by Registeel, but you'd switch out of it anyway.
Edit: Lanturn's a bitch.
Edit: Lanturn's a bitch.
I'm afraid not. Without Surf you can't really *beat* the fire types/rock types your supposed to beat. Ice beam on Slowking would be a total bitch though. And yeah besides Lanturn/Torterra/Spiritomb, NOTHING likes switching into Slowking due to T-wave.
Edit: Gotcha.
Spiritomb is a good enough switchin. It's slow as fuck anyway so it doesn't care about twave, and has Pursuit, Shadow Sneak, and Sucker Punch to screw Slowking no matter what it does.
Guess so. Although no-one in their right mind would leave their Arcanine/Moltres in on a Slowking. If it gets Paralyzed it's practically useless anyway. Torterra on the other hand is more commonly seen to switch in to Slowking, so it'd be fun to pull it off. But Surf is overall probably better.
I reckon most people run the spread in the analysis, 252HP/200Def/56SpD Calm, but I find that bumping up the SpD a bit more and adding Speed and Special Attack is worth it over the Defense, but you're gonna need a physical wall to compliment it (I use Tangrowth).
On Slowking, Chansey and Registeel don't care about Thunder Wave either, and they can Toxic it. Slowking is annoying to face though, as is Lanturn. Actually pretty much anything with paralysis is a bitch to fight, and they're becoming more common. I like running Stun Spore > Knock Off on my Tangrowth nowadays, as paralyzing a Moltres, Venusaur, or Arcanine switch in is very useful.
Thund has brought up an interesting point; investing Spe and Atk/SAtk into 'wall' Pokemon in order to boost thier effectiveness. Milotic for example, can (and should) always run enough speed to outpace RP Torterra, Aggron, and Rhyperior. The minimal requirement that it takes as well as the obvious payoff it gives, makes it seem like a no-brainer. Another Pokemon for example who could do this is Blastoise. Using a more offensive EV spread in order to secure a Spin. Again, give him enough speed to outpace Torterra, coverage moves (Ice Beam, Hp Grass), and Modest +Nature that allows him to beat-out said threats as well as grants him the ability to 2hko Rotom and Mismag.
The problem with that is you lose out on a lot of your walling capabilities which, for some pokes, is really important. A Milotic which invests in SATK and SPE, for instance, is always 2hko'd by my Arcanine's boosted Flare Blitz, whereas the "Standard" Milotic isn't.
No they shouldn't. Milotic needs to run a whopping 86 speed EV's to effectively troll Jolly Aggron. (CB varients)
it needs to run more speed to outspeed Jolly Torterra.
Imo, it should just run enough speed to outspeed Rhyperior.
That isn't hard to do, seeing that Milotic outspeeds max Jolly Rhyperior without any EVs in speed.
Blastoise could run some speed EVs to outspeed Aggron though.
Sorry to change the subject, I remember a few pages back there was a swellow discussion. Well, some people were saying that the lack of "easy spikes" have hurt it's effectiveness this round, but I beg to differ. I brought back an offensive team from when rosey was still around and before the whore and raikou dropped down. Anyway, swellow is still one of my star players if not the star. Also, I've found that absol has become pretty damn potent this time around; he's fairly easy to set up and once he does, we all know what happenes next.
And about this speed > bulk thing; I agree that it's sometimes ok to give your wall some speed. I remember getting my ass handed to me when nearly everything on my team got outsped and KOed by a fast milotic, without life orb! Of coure, it did have spikes support.
tl;dr Speed on your wall can prove to be beneficial, but if it's uneccessary then stick to what will always work- the standard.
And about this speed > bulk thing; I agree that it's sometimes ok to give your wall some speed. I remember getting my ass handed to me when nearly everything on my team got outsped and KOed by a fast milotic, without life orb! Of coure, it did have spikes support.
tl;dr Speed on your wall can prove to be beneficial, but if it's uneccessary then stick to what will always work- the standard.
Yep.
Swellow still dominates (albeit in a balanced way) as a lategame sweeper. It's also a neat status absorber. I (and someone else) has been using a pretty neat pokemon. Let's just say that it encores unsuspecting targets. It's actually pretty darn decent, and it acts as an OHSHIT button. It will be revealed in due time.
But it needs even MORE than Milotic's 86 speed just to outspeed. By then it's just not worth it. (Unless you are sadist)
Edit: Oh my... Toxicroak really destroys rain dance teams. NP Croak seriously CANNOT be stopped because of Water absorb. If it gets an NP your best bet is that Uxie is alive and even then it needs to be healthy to take a 2+ Dark Pulse. I guess the influx of Toxicroak's quelled rain a bit.
I run Speed and Special Attack when my Milo is Calm, why would I try to counter Aggron with a Calm Milotic? Unless you really want to cut into your defensive abilities you should just run 56 Speed for Adamant max Speed Torterra, as Jolly Torterra can't OHKO Bold Milotic with Wood Hammer anyway.
I'm telling you guys, lifeorb milotic is one of the best pokes in the tier. Timid means modest (all) moltres can suck it. Ice beam those grasses. I stuck light screen on my venasaur and extra sp.def evs on it for protection. However, venasaur is a great support mon and water check. Synthesis/sleep powder/light screen/energy ball. I don't mind being walled by so many things, I just set a screen on the switch, sleep em and switch. Takes a moltres' air slash if he screens on the switch and sleeps it. So said milotic can come in for free
tl;dr version: don't use offensive venasaur and defensive milotic - use defensive venasaur and offensive milotic
tl;dr version: don't use offensive venasaur and defensive milotic - use defensive venasaur and offensive milotic
I've been running into a # of dual scout teams. Those using 2 pokemons with U-turn (most commonly Ambipom and Scyther). I can imagine it being a good combination. I have yet to lose to one yet, but they do hold their own.
I've ran into my first Submind Uxie, it didn't take out a single pokemon, but I could definatly see it being a large threat. Luckly, my Mesprit's U-turn broke the sub and My Banette 2HKO with CB Shadow Sneak. I Banette wasn't at full health,l I don't think I could have taken it out.
By the way, I've found CB Banette to be a fantastic pokemon. Especially early-mid game. It's insomnia ability and ghost typing is a great combination with my Lum Berry Mesprit. It allows me to switch to Banette on Ambipom and Scarf Venusaur leads and hit them with a pursuit. Ambipom is 2HKO if it Fake out, Taunt, then U-turns. Venusaur attempt to put Sprite to sleep and lum gets rid of it and I get big damage in with Psychic, then switch to Banette and take it out with Pursuit. Plus, I get a powerful revenge killer with a STAB Shadow Sneak coming off a base 115 Att and CB.
I've ran into my first Submind Uxie, it didn't take out a single pokemon, but I could definatly see it being a large threat. Luckly, my Mesprit's U-turn broke the sub and My Banette 2HKO with CB Shadow Sneak. I Banette wasn't at full health,l I don't think I could have taken it out.
By the way, I've found CB Banette to be a fantastic pokemon. Especially early-mid game. It's insomnia ability and ghost typing is a great combination with my Lum Berry Mesprit. It allows me to switch to Banette on Ambipom and Scarf Venusaur leads and hit them with a pursuit. Ambipom is 2HKO if it Fake out, Taunt, then U-turns. Venusaur attempt to put Sprite to sleep and lum gets rid of it and I get big damage in with Psychic, then switch to Banette and take it out with Pursuit. Plus, I get a powerful revenge killer with a STAB Shadow Sneak coming off a base 115 Att and CB.
I've been doing the exact same combination. Even with Light screen. However, I've been using Leech Seed/Light Screen/Sludge Bomb/Energy Ball on Venusaur instead. Not only does it go in great tandom with LOTank Milotic, it also gives me an effective way at defeating Rain Dance special sweepers.
I think a lot of people are wising up and using Timid Moltres these days anyway. LO Milotic will always get 2HKO'd by Timid Moltres' HP Grass after SR, so you definitely need to watch out for that. On the topic of LO Milotic, Specs Milotic is a titan. Just putting that out there.
Agreed on Specs Milo. Ice Beam 2HKO's so many supposed counters (like Toxicroak) that switch in, hoping for some free hits or setup or something. Running Timid and 252 speed (Or however many for the speed tier you want, I forget atm) also lets you get the jump on a bunch of things that expect you to just sit there and take their attack. It's also a nice switchin for trickspecs/trickscarfers, since Scarf Milo does pretty well itself.
Oh, and its STAB Surf hurts. Badly.
Oh, and its STAB Surf hurts. Badly.
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