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Thund91 said:
And why are you using Stone Edge foo? How many times has it missed for you? You're not getting passed Spiritomb so just use Rock Slide so Scyther and Moltres don't LOL as you miss (oh and Missy can just Sub as Fail Edge loves missing). And Sucker Punch > Mach Punch IMO. It pwns Rotom as you Sub on the switch.
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Err... YOU were the run who ran this in the first place but these changes seem nice. Sub forces them to attack so Suckerpunch is quite useful there I suppose. Stone Edge has the nice (84.7% - 100%) on missy though...

Poké that hits like a fucking truck, has base 90 speed, thus the option of outrunning all those base 80s; added to Natural Cure and the possibility of beating Chansey with an all special moveset? YES PLEASE, SIR! (not happening though).
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Yeah, she still pretty up there in the OU metagame. What was the cutoff again?
 
@Thund: you have outdone yourself on gimmickness again, boy ._.

@PK Gaming: I'm not sure what the cutoff is, but it's based on several months. I can tell Roserade isn't close from dropping though.
 
God I hated Roserade. You guys think Moltres is difficult to switch into, imagine if it could fucking put you to sleep.
 
UU was at its best when Roserade was allowed is my personal opinion, and I would love if it dropped down. I'm not a huge fan of this metagame and maybe Roserade wouldn't improve things but at least it would make it exciting imo, and it would mark the end of venusaur x)

Actual posting stuff: I think Spikes/SR lead with 5 sweepers is definitely the best strategy in UU, I have used 3 different variations of this sort of team on ladder and it's always successful. Honestly, Omastar is almost as good as Froslass as a Spiker, because it gets SR too and can do more interesting things with its stab attack / other attack (i use hp grass for other oma/kabu/cloy). I'd like to see what others favorite team types are though as well.
 
Omastar is almost as good as Froslass as a Spiker
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My ass. Omastar is probably never getting up more than SR against any good offensive team, and not even that if my lead has Taunt or one of the millions of moves that beat it. Unless you're playing Omastar in some godlike way, being slow, not particularly powerful, and having a shitload of weakness worked about the same during the Froslass era as it does post-Froslass: you can't get in, you can't stay in, and you're not getting more than one layer vs. a non-newbie.
 
Roserade would work well it's not going to make a difference with Sleep powder on another Pokemon since everyones ready for Venasaur plus when it also has a the ability to put someone to sleep, So I'm wishing Roserade gets put down to UU just to really see if it's a big threat at all.
 
It's not the sleep move alone, it's in combination with the power, the better movepool, the speed, and Natural Cure that'd make me wonder how badly Roserade would rape UU. But I'm already biased since Venusaur was enough of a dick the past few rounds that having what is essentially a better version might push it into BL.
 
This is why I think this deviation thing is flawed and should not be required, because it's just asking you to play well enough so that you can spam losses at the end and still make the rating requirements. IMO Raise the rating to 1825 and keep deviation at 50 or something.
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Alternatively, why not remove lower requirements to vote? Anyone willing to write a few pages about a Pokemon suspect should be accounted for. More than likely any person who is willing to write that much is a knowledgeable player. Flawed logic, but it makes sense more or less. If I were to take the time to achieve voting rights... I still wouldn't write a few paragraphs about a Pokemon... waste of time and energy.

Ideally, more votes = more defined results.
 
My preferred team style is all about synergy. I try to build my teams so that whenever any member is walled or beaten by something, at least one other team member can safely switch in and immediately threaten the opponent. This often means I abuse the hell out of immunities (my current team has a total of seven immunities) and quad resists. Whether my team can "sweep" is usually a secondary concern; I often end up playing like a more offensive stall team, with my Pokemon getting in residual damage here and there with attacks and double switches until a hole opens up and something can dismantle the rest of my opponent's team. Obviously, my team is highly successful in this metagame, and quite a few people call my team very mean names. This team would not have worked with whorelass around though; even now, if a suicide spiker manages to get up even 2 layers, I have some trouble (although I usually win anyway because of the 5-6 nature of suicide spikers)
 
My ass. Omastar is probably never getting up more than SR against any good offensive team, and not even that if my lead has Taunt or one of the millions of moves that beat it. Unless you're playing Omastar in some godlike way, being slow, not particularly powerful, and having a shitload of weakness worked about the same during the Froslass era as it does post-Froslass: you can't get in, you can't stay in, and you're not getting more than one layer vs. a non-newbie.
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omastar can easily have excellent match-ups every game, vs registeel/chansey/arcanine/uxie/spiritomb/etc. froslass is a much better spiker but omastar still has a ton of merit because it matches up so well against a lot of walls in uu as far as getting entry hazards is concerned. if you can use your anti spinners effectively, then you are definitely in the clear

even against offensive teams, there are definitely chances to shine with swellow/scyther/etc popping up everywhere.

unless i am the luckiest player ever to have consistently get sr and 1-2 layers of spikes every game with omastar and get to 1680 at my peak on ladder, i think i know what i'm talking about here when i say omastar can definitely get entry hazards up consistently and break the game open for offensive teams.

i hope you aren't misunderstanding anything i say as "i wish to nominate for suspect" because that is not the case at all...
 
Omastar is a pretty ballin' lead, honestly. However, the teams I used it on had their share of fatal problems, and I've since deleted them. Perhaps I should give ol' Omastar another look... Also Focus Sash Omastar is pretty wtf-worthy.
 
I still don't see how everyone can have such overwhelming success with a lead Omastar.

Ambipom Taunts.
Zam Taunts or 2HKOs.
Mesprit/Uxie Grass Knot.
Moltres Hidden Powers.

Am I missing something? :(
 
Qwilfish > Omastar. Especially since it can switch into any version of Milotic which is on every god damn team this round.

Omastar could be better for defensive/stall teams though.
 
Even though I haven't used omastar on any offensive teams this round, I can attest to the fact that it sets up hazards fairly easily. Even though it has many weaknesses, it also has very cool resistances which people tend to forget. There are lots of normal types running around this round, arcanine, and other crap that I am probably forgetting. So, even if it isn't the most effective lead, it can still do well mid-game. It gets it's job done and it isn't something that is absolutely prepared for, so it at least has that over Froslass.
 
Thund91 said:
I still don't see how everyone can have such overwhelming success with a lead Omastar.

Ambipom Taunts.
Zam Taunts or 2HKOs.
Mesprit/Uxie Grass Knot.
Moltres Hidden Powers.
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Ambipom - Taunt and then does....what? It taunts as it gets nailed (70%+ iirc) by Surf then U-turns out.
Zam - this is purely prediction based. It can Taunt and get Surfed or Psychic and get SR'd while Omastar just switches out after.
Mesprit is often slower, while Uxie rarely has Grass Knot..if it does just switch out whatever it probably doesn't Run U-turn or T-Wave then.
Moltres - You'd risk Moltres using HP while it gets OHKOed by Surf?

Thund91 said:
Am I missing something? :(
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You forgot about Focus Sash or the fact that Omastar has Surf off of 349 SpA?
 
Heysup said:
You forgot about Focus Sash or the fact that Omastar has Surf off of 349 SpA?
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Sorry to ruin it, but support Omastar generally has no SAtk evs. So, yea...but I still get the point, even though most of them carry lefties over focus sash.

Edit: Lol at PK. I said I got the point which was it was still going to hurt...geez. =P

Also, on a different note. I am interested to see people claim their alts this round. I usually am, but I've played some of them and I just could not figure out who they were. I really wish I could've played more of them though. ~.~ Ladder was full of bs for the most part.
 
Still, that insane SpA is going hurt.

I'm going to be honest. I like Omastar a lot, and I see it as a decent lead. Still, your better of keeping it outside of a leadrole, and switching it in on physical Arcanine or something. It's Ice Beam also hurts grass types badly.
 
Heysup said:
Ambipom - Taunt and then does....what? It taunts as it gets nailed (70%+ iirc) by Surf then U-turns out.
Zam - this is purely prediction based. It can Taunt and get Surfed or Psychic and get SR'd while Omastar just switches out after.
Mesprit is often slower, while Uxie rarely has Grass Knot..if it does just switch out whatever it probably doesn't Run U-turn or T-Wave then.
Moltres - You'd risk Moltres using HP while it gets OHKOed by Surf?



You forgot about Focus Sash or the fact that Omastar has Surf off of 349 SpA?
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You (and even I) may run offensive sets of our own, but 99% of players are just gonna copy paste the analysis on site.

And if a lead Taunts and prevents you from setting up then it has done its job. Not to mention Ambipom U-turning to something like DDGatr puts you at a disadvantage right at the get go.
 
Guys... what about adding Grass Knot on Ambipom?
It can net a surprise kill or two (Rhyperior, Omastar, Cloyster or something) that might be lurking out there.
The bad thing: you need to forego Taunt.

Worth it?
 
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