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np: UU - Can't Touch This
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Funny you should mention that, Bluewind, I was wondering the same thing. There was almost as much written about Aggron, with arguably more explanation, than there was written about Froslass. And let's be honest, Aggron would have to show us a lot more to be a Suspect.
reachzero do you mean the total number of times a Pokemon is nominated matters as well? That is, it's impossible for a Pokemon to become a suspect if it's only nominated once, no matter how good the paragraph is?
Also wondering what the point of a "no suspects" nomination is ... if you're not allowed to nominate against a suspect, then what can a no suspects nomination achieve?
Also wondering what the point of a "no suspects" nomination is ... if you're not allowed to nominate against a suspect, then what can a no suspects nomination achieve?
I believe the answer to first question is yes. Regarding the No Suspects things, I'm also curious. If the majority of the voters choose that option, but still a suspect gets enough votes for it to be deemed suspect, is that nomination valid?
Also, what intrigues me the most is how people so much said Spikes broke Moltres, thus being Froslass more of a suspect than the fire bird due to the "easy spikes" setup, yet it's got way more nominations than Frossy. (Again, I do recall I've claimed Moltres to be broken, but I do believe he deserves a test with no Froslass around, which isn't happening it seems. In spite of that, I still believe he's broken outside of this situation. Sorry if these parenthesis are annoying, I just don't like to be quoted and start a war because of that).
Man, there's a crapload of suspects this round. Not that that wasn't expected :P
Yeah, I laughed when I saw that, too. Looks like I'll be having more fun exploring Hail haha.
Also keep in mind that Froslass was just voted UU. It's going to be held to a higher standard when going through suspect nominations. You can't just nominate the same Pokemon over and over again until they finally get voted bl, it's going to be harder after the first vote (and almost impossible after two unless there are extreme special circumstances)
Also, can we keep discussion in this topic to the metagame and not people bitching about something they could have done something about but once again were far too lazy. Thanks.
Also, can we keep discussion in this topic to the metagame and not people bitching about something they could have done something about but once again were far too lazy. Thanks.
I asked this a couple pages back but it got overridden with Moltres talk.
I have a couple more questions. Do we get notified earlier if our paragraphs are accepted, in a reply PM, or do we just have to wait and see if our name is on the list of voters? Second, orriginally I hadn't played a lot with either Raikou or Moltres, and wasn't planning on voting on them. But between the end of the test and now I have used them a bit, and I am reconsidering. I've already sent in my Porygonz paragraph, but would it be a problem if I sent in a second PM with these essays? Granted, I might decide not to do them, but knowing is always good.
Does it really matter if you get a PM or not? Either way, you just wait it out and see if your name's on the list.
Since Reach and Jabba are using SEXP and paragraphs, I doubt you'll be able to vote on Raikou and Moltres. You can always try though.
Its funner to know them early. You are probably right about Moltres and Raikou, though.
Ok, cool.
Thanks a lot for those answers.
From what Ive drawn of it over time, suspects are nominated based on number of final accepted nominations. The mods in charge of the suspect nomination read all of the nominations ,after the nomination thread is closed, and filter out quality nominations and reject the bad paragraphs. Then those that have more than 2 quality nominationsare pronounced suspects, although I think Froslass was held under much higher scrutiny since this is the 3rd? time it would be voted on, none of those being UU.
EDIT: Now that I look at the numbers, Froslass and Moltres both only had 3 nominations, the Froslass noms werent outstanding so it wasnt considered considering the higher standards.
EDIT: Now that I look at the numbers, Froslass and Moltres both only had 3 nominations, the Froslass noms werent outstanding so it wasnt considered considering the higher standards.
Got an answer reachzero / Jabba?
yeah, from what i know if only 1 paragraph is submitted for a pokemon it wont be considered. This happened before with Milotic and Clefable I think.
And a no suspects nom is just a way to show that youre involved with the nomination process I guess, though i really dont know.
Quality and quantity are both equally important when deciding suspects.
No suspects is there because it was generally agreed that if people don't have that option then they'll feel obligated to nominate something anyway.
No suspects is there because it was generally agreed that if people don't have that option then they'll feel obligated to nominate something anyway.
This is pretty much exactly what I did as well =/. I already saw Froslass had been nominated so I just assumed it was going to be a suspect, and with so much on my plate, I just didn't do it myself. This was quite unfortunate and I guess we (the voters) are just going to have to learn from this so we know next time.
My opinion on suspects:
Porygon-Z = BL
Cresselia = BL
Moltres = UU
Raikou = UU
Damp Rock = BL
Most dominant threat?: Porygon-Z
Behind a Sub, you can't do diddily-squat. Chansey can't even wall it with NP under its belt.
Heres a log of me using a NP-SubSalac Porygon-Z. I am 4-1 down and have kept Poygon-Z hidden through-out the match:
Raikou151 switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Porygonz was hurt by Spikes!
Porygonz lost 25% of its health.
Pointed stones dug into Porygonz.
Porygonz lost 12% of its health.
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Porygonz lost 60% of its health.
- Left with 2-3% HP left.
Porygonz's Salac Berry raised its speed!
Porygonz used Nasty Plot.
Porygonz's special attack was sharply raised.
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Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Raikou lost 100% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Raikou fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom.
Rotom lost 12% of its health.
Porygonz used Dark Pulse.
It's super effective!
Rotom lost 75% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Rotom fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Clefable (lvl 100 Clefable ?).
Pointed stones dug into Clefable.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Clefable lost 55% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Clefable fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Milotic (lvl 100 Milotic ?).
Pointed stones dug into Milotic.
Milotic lost 12% of its health.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Milotic lost 65% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Milotic fainted.
Raikou151 wins!
Now don't tell me that wasn't broken or epic.
Porygon-Z = BL
Cresselia = BL
Moltres = UU
Raikou = UU
Damp Rock = BL
Most dominant threat?: Porygon-Z
Behind a Sub, you can't do diddily-squat. Chansey can't even wall it with NP under its belt.
Heres a log of me using a NP-SubSalac Porygon-Z. I am 4-1 down and have kept Poygon-Z hidden through-out the match:
Raikou151 switched in Porygonz (lvl 100 Porygonz).
Porygonz was hurt by Spikes!
Porygonz lost 25% of its health.
Pointed stones dug into Porygonz.
Porygonz lost 12% of its health.
Raikou used Thunderbolt.
Porygonz lost 60% of its health.
- Left with 2-3% HP left.
Porygonz's Salac Berry raised its speed!
Porygonz used Nasty Plot.
Porygonz's special attack was sharply raised.
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Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Raikou lost 100% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Raikou fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom).
Pointed stones dug into Rotom.
Rotom lost 12% of its health.
Porygonz used Dark Pulse.
It's super effective!
Rotom lost 75% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Rotom fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Clefable (lvl 100 Clefable ?).
Pointed stones dug into Clefable.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Clefable lost 55% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Clefable fainted.
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Random Pizzaman switched in Milotic (lvl 100 Milotic ?).
Pointed stones dug into Milotic.
Milotic lost 12% of its health.
Porygonz used Tri Attack.
Milotic lost 65% of its health.
Random Pizzaman's Milotic fainted.
Raikou151 wins!
Now don't tell me that wasn't broken or epic.
Honestly it seems quite fortunate.
-Lasted on very low health but at the same time enough damage was done to activate salac. (if the opponent had rotom out when you revealed porygon, it may have been different)
-The opponent's team had been weakened greatly; anything can be a good lategame sweeper if all the right things have been weakened/ KOed. Now if porygon had swept a near unweakened team with its potential counters still in tact it would be broken.
In other news; good to see someone else from the UK in UU.
-Lasted on very low health but at the same time enough damage was done to activate salac. (if the opponent had rotom out when you revealed porygon, it may have been different)
-The opponent's team had been weakened greatly; anything can be a good lategame sweeper if all the right things have been weakened/ KOed. Now if porygon had swept a near unweakened team with its potential counters still in tact it would be broken.
In other news; good to see someone else from the UK in UU.
I can see where your coming from, If spikes hadn't been on the field then I wouldn't have got the boost at all (But looking at earlier in the match, then some of my Pokemon wouldn't have been KO'd). Also, damage calculation: 57.2%-67.8% from Raikou's thunderbolt, about a 50/50 chance of me surviving. Yeah, thats pretty lucky of me.
To be honest though, I don't think his team was weakened too much. Not including SR damage:
Raikou - 100%
Rotom - 87%
Clefable - 55%
Milotic - 77%
Apart from Clefable, They were all standing with at lest 3/4 of there health.
PS: England ftw? :D *High fives*
To be honest though, I don't think his team was weakened too much. Not including SR damage:
Raikou - 100%
Rotom - 87%
Clefable - 55%
Milotic - 77%
Apart from Clefable, They were all standing with at lest 3/4 of there health.
PS: England ftw? :D *High fives*
I'm having very mixed feelings between Raikou and Cresselia. At first, I thought Raikou BL and Cress UU but it switched after using extended matches with them. Now I feel like putting Raikou BL again, just because of CM - Roar - Thunderbolt - HP Ice, which is a nightmare once it has sets up.
Also, a just did a damage calculator of 2+ 252 Modest Adaptability Porygon (which I used) again standard 252 HP / 100 Calm Encore Clafable (which he used) and it came up with:
810 Atk vs 265 Def & 394 HP (80 Base Power): 350 - 414 (88.83% - 105.08%)
Not that much prior damage and he still would have been KO'd.
EDIT: @above: Uxie (Lead, defeated with Sesmic Toss as it only had U-Turn as an attack), Hitmontop (Only chance of defeating Clefable, burned and utterly destroyed by his Rotom and Froslass), Cresselia (Encore Clefable, defeated by a crit from his Torterra...), Raikou (Torterra, didn't run HP Ice...), Arcanine (God damn it Milotic!).
Basically, his whole team countered mine.
Also, a just did a damage calculator of 2+ 252 Modest Adaptability Porygon (which I used) again standard 252 HP / 100 Calm Encore Clafable (which he used) and it came up with:
810 Atk vs 265 Def & 394 HP (80 Base Power): 350 - 414 (88.83% - 105.08%)
Not that much prior damage and he still would have been KO'd.
EDIT: @above: Uxie (Lead, defeated with Sesmic Toss as it only had U-Turn as an attack), Hitmontop (Only chance of defeating Clefable, burned and utterly destroyed by his Rotom and Froslass), Cresselia (Encore Clefable, defeated by a crit from his Torterra...), Raikou (Torterra, didn't run HP Ice...), Arcanine (God damn it Milotic!).
Basically, his whole team countered mine.
Porygon-Z = BL
Possibly the only pokemon that I'm glad at when it becomes BL.
Although he can easily be countered, he has such a wide movepool it is almost impossible to make to right counter on the first switch-in. His most common counter, Chansey can become set up bait while she indeed covers the Choiced sets (bare Trick). The Choiced sets ask for great prediction but there aren't to many pokemon that could take a couple of Specs'ed Tri Attacks.
Possibly the only pokemon that I'm glad at when it becomes BL.
Although he can easily be countered, he has such a wide movepool it is almost impossible to make to right counter on the first switch-in. His most common counter, Chansey can become set up bait while she indeed covers the Choiced sets (bare Trick). The Choiced sets ask for great prediction but there aren't to many pokemon that could take a couple of Specs'ed Tri Attacks.
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